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"We" is like 10 users on this forum who are doom and gloom because One Piece decided to focus on its world rather than just its main cast, yet pre-timeskip had all the same issue as post. The only difference is, everything is bigger and you aren't getting the same emotion and battles from your side-characters that you want from your main characters.
One Piece really hasn't changed in the grand scheme of things. Its a massive exaggeration. It ALWAYS had pacing issues. Its ALWAYS had offscreening. Its ALWAYS had chapters dedicated to Luffy fighting fodder. The difference is, you were invested in the main characters so it was ok, now you aren't.
One Piece really hasn't changed in the grand scheme of things. Its a massive exaggeration. It ALWAYS had pacing issues. Its ALWAYS had offscreening. Its ALWAYS had chapters dedicated to Luffy fighting fodder. The difference is, you were invested in the main characters so it was ok, now you aren't.
Spoiler alert: I'm the last guy that begs for "more fights" or anything like it.
One Piece isn't complex at all. It's actually one of the most basic manga series out there (as are most shonen).
It's not an exceptional piece of storywriting, just because Oda is actually bringing some kind of depth as well as interesting themes and nice foreshadowing into his series.
It makes it way better than most generic battle shonens, yes, but that's about it.
There are still some shonen series with (clearly) better writing than OP out there.
One Piece isn't complex at all. It's actually one of the most basic manga series out there (as are most shonen).
It's not an exceptional piece of storywriting, just because Oda is actually bringing some kind of depth as well as interesting themes and nice foreshadowing into his series.
It makes it way better than most generic battle shonens, yes, but that's about it.
There are still some shonen series with (clearly) better writing than OP out there.
What I hate is that our one piece fanbase shit on other mangas in Twitter and hyping up every shit of One piece. I take this noticed the last month and it get worse and worse, ir you call our fandom as toxic, you didn't see the twitter fandom. They steal stuffs from forums, stealing content/stuff without even writing the names of the persons. At least the arabic/german fandom is little correct and don't have the usually fanwars as the english community.
That's what I expected from you to hear.
Let me tell you a secret my friend, one piece doesn't have complex storytelling, it's a classical "hero story" good guys vs bad guys. I read books and watch movies for complex plot, there's no complex plot in story for 12+ years old boys, if one piece is complex plot for you then I'm afraid what isn't.
Let me tell you a secret my friend, one piece doesn't have complex storytelling, it's a classical "hero story" good guys vs bad guys. I read books and watch movies for complex plot, there's no complex plot in story for 12+ years old boys, if one piece is complex plot for you then I'm afraid what isn't.
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? What hasn't changed?
I suggest rereading the manga and keeping 1 thing in mind: When did Oda make the shift from focusing on building his main cast, to building One Piece's world?
This didn't start at the timeskip. It started with Sabaody and continued all the way to Marineford. This is when the main characters started receiving less focus. But like I said, the ONLY DIFFERENCE is that you were invested in Luffy and Ace. You just aren't invested in the Scabbards and Kaido, or Law and Doflamingo, or Judge and Big Mom.
This is where the problem lies. Oda has shifted focus on his supporting characters. You as a reader personally don't like that, and that is okay. But to say that One Piece is being ruined because of it is such a gross exaggeration of what is actually going on. We still get crew interactions, we still get awesome events and even battles (though some have been expended for world building), we still get the mystery and surprises we've always gotten. This HASN'T changed. What HAS changed is his shift to more world building over personal stories.
This was entirely intentional to set up this final conflict. Having 5 chapters of the Reverie, which only focuses on One Piece's side characters, is entirely evident of this. Like I said, look back at Marineford and what built up on it. 8 Strawhats were not involved, the plotlines focused on side-characters and villains, and the only difference is that you probably enjoyed the Whitebeard/Ace stuff over the Scabbard/Kaido stuff.
I suggest rereading the manga and keeping 1 thing in mind: When did Oda make the shift from focusing on building his main cast, to building One Piece's world?
This didn't start at the timeskip. It started with Sabaody and continued all the way to Marineford. This is when the main characters started receiving less focus. But like I said, the ONLY DIFFERENCE is that you were invested in Luffy and Ace. You just aren't invested in the Scabbards and Kaido, or Law and Doflamingo, or Judge and Big Mom.
This is where the problem lies. Oda has shifted focus on his supporting characters. You as a reader personally don't like that, and that is okay. But to say that One Piece is being ruined because of it is such a gross exaggeration of what is actually going on. We still get crew interactions, we still get awesome events and even battles (though some have been expended for world building), we still get the mystery and surprises we've always gotten. This HASN'T changed. What HAS changed is his shift to more world building over personal stories.
This was entirely intentional to set up this final conflict. Having 5 chapters of the Reverie, which only focuses on One Piece's side characters, is entirely evident of this. Like I said, look back at Marineford and what built up on it. 8 Strawhats were not involved, the plotlines focused on side-characters and villains, and the only difference is that you probably enjoyed the Whitebeard/Ace stuff over the Scabbard/Kaido stuff.
I literally gave you the specific reason in the second sentence of that first paragraph. Come on dude. Read.
And who the fuck says it was "never good"? Just because a story has pacing issues or focuses on the wrong things, doesn't mean its bad lmao. You all have massive nostalgia goggles for pre-timeskip, and it has become this massive hate over something that virtually hasn't changed outside of what is given more focus. This DIDN'T change with the timeskip. It changed with Sabaody/Marineford. That was the moment the world in OP got bigger. Supernova, world conflicts with Ace/Whitebeard, the voyage halting and focusing on a big event.
And who the fuck says it was "never good"? Just because a story has pacing issues or focuses on the wrong things, doesn't mean its bad lmao. You all have massive nostalgia goggles for pre-timeskip, and it has become this massive hate over something that virtually hasn't changed outside of what is given more focus. This DIDN'T change with the timeskip. It changed with Sabaody/Marineford. That was the moment the world in OP got bigger. Supernova, world conflicts with Ace/Whitebeard, the voyage halting and focusing on a big event.
That's what I expected from you to hear.
Let me tell you a secret my friend, one piece doesn't have complex storytelling, it's a classical "hero story" good guys vs bad guys. I read books and watch movies for complex plot, there's no complex plot in story for 12+ years old boys, if one piece is complex plot for you then I'm afraid what isn't.
Let me tell you a secret my friend, one piece doesn't have complex storytelling, it's a classical "hero story" good guys vs bad guys. I read books and watch movies for complex plot, there's no complex plot in story for 12+ years old boys, if one piece is complex plot for you then I'm afraid what isn't.
There's a certain type of person who when they don't understand something they don't try to learn they just get mad like little kids and insult everything about it and everyone who does like it. If anyone had any real criticism we'd have heard it but instead it's all dumb shit about powerscaling or that the writing is "bad" but they can't explain why or how other than they don't like it
I've heard way more complaints about Enies Lobby and even Thriller Bark at the time than I do now about Wano. You can look at APForums's old spoiler posts to see what I mean. Nearly every chapter around Enies Lobby had some form of complaint about pacing, Luffy facing fodder, etc.
People called Thriller Bark a waste of time. I vividly remember this. It "only" got interesting apparently when Zoro fought Ryuuma and Oars came out and 1 shot the crew. And apparently the arc was "saved" when Kuma showed up and wrecked everyone.
It. Has. Not. Changed.
Oh for fuck sake. Dude I don't care about main characters or the strowhats, don't tell me what I'm invested in, you don't know me. You're trying to tell me what I was invested in? What... Ok, I didn't like some of the arcs post-timskip but I was fine with them, as matter of act I liked Dersross and I was a weekly reader back then. Post-timskip end became with WCI and Wano, two worst arcs in history of one piece, 4 years of nothing.
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