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[Tyki_Mikk]

It's just that sometimes I don't understand Oda. He focused a lot on scabbards yet the emotional pay offs like Kanjuro vs Kiku and Sulong minks/Dukes vs Jack were off screened. I don't believe Kanjuro is dead, but I really doubt Jack is getting another battle with the dukes after they already "won". Even if they stomped Jack there was a way to make it way more emotional after all the destruction and pain caused by him.

First off all @Paperchampion23 you make really good post, couldn't say it better. To make it clear even the loved Marineford arc had lot of people who dislike it back then... just to show that wano isn't the only arc who have people who don't like it,paper already make good example with Enies lobby and co.

Also I agree with @Esc too, everyone was hyped up for Jack vs the Minks. Kanjuro will most like come back because that I don't see much problems with it but Jack vs Minks was something with I as fan wait since 2015... And he offscreen such important thing for many fans. How we can be happy with this? Jack vs Minks round 3 doesn't make anysense at this point, what I have from a battle with Jack vs Jinbe who has less build up and hype as Jack vs Minks? Why Jack need to stand up again, for what? To get defeated again?

Is that what Oda try to show, Jack was multiple times defeated(Navy/Fujitora/Zou/Minks), just imagine Doflamingo or Katakuri getting defeated by side characters before Luffy get beat him,would this have the same impact for you?

What is Jack plot, do he be just here to get defeated by X characters? His defeat against the Minks was to early, he should get a fair and good battle against the Minks, no one would care for the result as long as we would see Jack figthing against the Minks. But Oda kill off this encounter, something with had such a great potential. Let be honest a Jack vs Minks was far more hype then Jack vs Jinbe. I still hope Jack recover quickly and get some hype,otherwise it would be really sad to see Jack just standing up again to get defeated again by Luffy or Jinbe. It is really strange to see such a character as Jack, usually the villians of Oda get enough hype and just get defeated one time, Jack is different and kinda special. I have still my hopes for a change, but right now im not happy how the potential of Jack vs Minks was kill off.

Same goes for Oden vs Kaido, we had only that one chance to actually see more attacks of Oden, but it was offscreened, the fight was rushed and we probably never see again Oden. That is wasted, Oden was a great character with a great flashback, he deserve a great battle. In that case it hurts really much too see how Oda end up Oden vs Kaido or Jack vs Minks....

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talking about side characters, Kinemon has been a freakin damn MVP since the raid started and I'm liking him more and more. and his relationship with tsuru in the flashback was cute

Read a comment last week, Kinemon is actually the Viper of wano, a really great character.

 

[Fuckthis3]

 

[PeperLevi]

I don't get needlessly angry with One Piece's breaks. I know Oda has a life beyond his comic writer work and he deserve get time for it by bring One Piece for the world. One Piece is one of the most important things in my life and i am extremely grateful to Oda by what he gives me.
@Jew D. Boy @Kejon

 

[bennbeckman]

I'll give you the first bullet. Everyone loves Doflamingo (or at least should love him) more than most villains in this series. Everything else you mention, nearly everything, has been a center of complaints during that arc. Lets go down the list shall we?

- Its not more complex than anything WCI (which had CP-0, royalty, betrayal, Germa, etc all involved in its plot) or Wano (350 chapter samurai plotline, Marine infiltration, Rocks plot, Wano's original purpose in isolation, etc) have achieved with their plots. In fact, Dressrosa was highly criticized for BIRD CAGE and spending way too much time on Luffy vs. Pirates over Ace's fruit. Its also been criticized for putting way too much in its one arc (Green Bit, CP-0, SHF, Ace's fruit with a Tournament, Burgess, Sabo, Fujitora, Kanjuro etc etc etc) . There is a difference between "complexity" and "combining 40 different ideas" in one arc.

-Some people disliked that this occurred over removing half the strawhats. You can argue with those people.

- Not sure I get this point. Yes, a new admiral was introduced and the SHF was a factor this arc. You are just saying you like these characters over the Scabbards and the Supernova for Wano? Because thats what it sounds like you are saying.

- Like i mentioned above....

- Sure. It was a good chapter out of a 100 other ones, as many people would say.

- People question the validity of this statement lol

- People will also question the validity of this statement.

I'll give you the first bullet. Everyone loves Doflamingo (or at least should love him) more than most villains in this series. Everything else you mention, nearly everything, has been a center of complaints during that arc. Lets go down the list shall we?

- Its not more complex than anything WCI (which had CP-0, royalty, betrayal, Germa, etc all involved in its plot) or Wano (350 chapter samurai plotline, Marine infiltration, Rocks plot, Wano's original purpose in isolation, etc) have achieved with their plots. In fact, Dressrosa was highly criticized for BIRD CAGE and spending way too much time on Luffy vs. Pirates over Ace's fruit. Its also been criticized for putting way too much in its one arc (Green Bit, CP-0, SHF, Ace's fruit with a Tournament, Burgess, Sabo, Fujitora, Kanjuro etc etc etc) . There is a difference between "complexity" and "combining 40 different ideas" in one arc.

-Some people disliked that this occurred over removing half the strawhats. You can argue with those people.

- Not sure I get this point. Yes, a new admiral was introduced and the SHF was a factor this arc. You are just saying you like these characters over the Scabbards and the Supernova for Wano? Because thats what it sounds like you are saying.

- Like i mentioned above....

- Sure. It was a good chapter out of a 100 other ones, as many people would say.

- People question the validity of this statement lol

- People will also question the validity of this statement.

- Sabo eating Ace's fruit was great, I agree.

- Sure? Still didn't really achieve anything.

- Ok, it did nothing for the story (yet).

- Has done nothing for the story except give more questions, how is this any better than the Reverie or Wano questions?

- As opposed to him using it the 2nd or 3rd time? Sure. Even though Snake man is infinitely a cooler transformation imo. You can thank WCI for that one.



The point im making, is all of this is personal opinion about what YOU LIKED about DR lol. None of this points to why WCI or Wano are worse arcs with pure stated fact. Writing is similar between all 3 arcs. Pacing is also similar. Focus on secondary characters is definitely similar. These are facts, not opinions, because you can be shown examples of this between each.

The question should be what did Dressrosa do for the actual storyline vs what WCI did for the storyline? Also made a thread about it, when in doubt, make a thread

 

[Lebrent]

I agree with Kanjuro. Something is up with this and maybe thats why he offscreened it? It certainly did rub me the wrong way, but if its "resolved" by having him have a deeper role later down the line, then great.


With the Mink Kings vs. Jack, I agree. It was undeniably set up. Years of discussion about Jack vs. Inu/Neko was on the table because that is the info we were fed. At this point, it DOES look like Jack will recover and have another battle with someone, possibly Jinbe (who was the other contender to fight Jack). It also seems to pose the question that he may have gotten 1 shot before using his hybrid/awakening, but who knows. On top of this, it does look like Oda wanted to save it all for Kaido vs. the 9 scabbards, not Kaido vs. 7 Scabbards and Jack vs. 2 Scabbards.

However, this depends on Oda not offscreening this next fight with Kaido. If he does, it entirely defeats the purpose of offscreening Jack vs. the Mink Kings.

i have to disagree here, Most fans built and hyped up a full out revenge fight between Inu+Neku and Jack, however, thinking logically, this would be of course offscreened / 1 sided. Neku and Inu seperatively are equal to Jack in terms of strength, but maybe have very slightly less endurance. BUT 2 YC3 Level characters vs 1 YC3 Level Character is just too much of a gangup.

But NO. There is also the temporary Sulong transformation, which elevates each of the Dukes to YC1 levels. Thats like 2 Katakuris ganging up on Cracker. Simply low fucking diff, no need to show that "fight" cuz its simply a massacre.

 

[vikas]

I wrote a long post then said f**k it.

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I agree with Kanjuro. Something is up with this and maybe thats why he offscreened it? It certainly did rub me the wrong way, but if its "resolved" by having him have a deeper role later down the line, then great.

It was actually Kanjuro who died 20 years ago...he acted as Oden and sacrificed himself. The one we see right now was just one of his creation too. Oden is actually still alive. They learnt about it when the last drawing died.

 

[Paperchampion23]

i have to disagree here, Most fans built and hyped up a full out revenge fight between Inu+Neku and Jack, however, thinking logically, this would be of course offscreened / 1 sided. Neku and Inu seperatively are equal to Jack in terms of strength, but maybe have very slightly less endurance. BUT 2 YC3 Level characters vs 1 YC3 Level Character is just too much of a gangup.

But NO. There is also the temporary Sulong transformation, which elevates each of the Dukes to YC1 levels. Thats like 2 Katakuris ganging up on Cracker. Simply low fucking diff, no need to show that "fight" cuz its simply a massacre.

I agree with the sentiment. Im just saying that Oda clearly (i personally hope its clear) wanted to save
The sulong kings and their strength for Kaido, considering he introduced their designs after Jack was defeated.

If they offpanel Kaido fighting the Mink Kings here, then i think it entirely defeats the purpose of Sulong being built up as a whole. Oda HAS to show us what they can do against Kaido, and why its not enough to defeat Kaido. I just personally think hes offscreened Kanjuro and Jack precisely because he wants to show off all 9 scabbards against Kaido, while simultaneously taking them out.

But he has to show it, not imply it.

 

[Dread Pirate]

Well, in this case, I recommend you to watch an episode with Bret Weinstein.

Spoiler

Haven’t seen a Rogan podcast in awhile..well check out when I get off work.

 

[Lebrent]

I agree with the sentiment. Im just saying that Oda clearly (i personally hope its clear) wanted to save
The sulong kings and their strength for Kaido, considering he introduced their designs after Jack was defeated.

If they offpanel Kaido fighting the Mink Kings here, then i think it entirely defeats the purpose of Sulong being built up as a whole. Oda HAS to show us what they can do against Kaido, and why its not enough to defeat Kaido. I just personally think hes offscreened Kanjuro and Jack precisely because he wants to show off all 9 scabbards against Kaido, while simultaneously taking them out.

But he has to show it, not imply it.

right now i would say i fully agree with you.
but my feelings will decide at the end of the day once i see the path Goda has chosen

 

[kuzanhandsome]

Next week is the 2020 Season World Championship so there's no one piece no problem

 

[Buusatan94]

 

[vikas]

If they offpanel Kaido fighting the Mink Kings here, then i think it entirely defeats the purpose of Sulong being built up as a whole. Oda HAS to show us what they can do against Kaido, and why its not enough to defeat Kaido.

What would you think if they get offscreened? I think oda might just do that. Atleast we won't get much action shown. The reason being I can see very low effort added in those sulong forms especially for something to be their trump card against kaido.... than what was shown and hyped earlier with carrot. Pretty much every sulong there looks the same(probably same template was used and the assistant drew them)

 

[Lebrent]

What would you think if they get offscreened? I think oda might just do that. Atleast we won't get much action shown. The reason being I can see very low effort added in those sulong forms especially for something to be their trump card against kaido.... than what was shown and hyped earlier with carrot. Pretty much every sulong there looks the same(probably same template was used and the assistant drew them)

nop oda drew them

 

[Paperchampion23]

What would you think if they get offscreened? I think oda might just do that. Atleast we won't get much action shown. The reason being I can see very low effort added in those sulong forms especially for something to be their trump card against kaido.... than what was shown and hyped earlier with carrot. Pretty much every sulong there looks the same(probably same template was used and the assistant drew them)

Its not just "sulong". Its the Mink King's "sulong".

Oda has repeatedly made the 9 scabbards surround or face Kaido in double spreads the last 6-7 chapters. This is inherently a tease for what is to come. If he offscreens their fights, it makes everything about this moot and sort of...pointless.

I personally dont think he will, but i was surprised to how short Jacks defeat was, so i personally can't be surprised if something like this happens.

I dont think anyone wants to see the Scabbards get offscreened. This moment has been set up not only since the beginning of Wano, but the beginning of Zou and even further back to Punk Hazard.

I will understand Jack being offscreened if he shows the Mink Kings fight Kaido and Jack recovering and fighting someone else. Its like how I personally disliked Kanjuro getting offscreened, but he has a moderately high chance of returning and being important, so it won't matter in the long run

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Guys it’s not a matter of if Oda offscreens, it’s when. 90% of fights WILL be offscreens. And to be honest I’m fine with that, as long as the main Kaido fights are shown and we know what race king is. I don’t even care if Big Mom fights get offscreened

 

[Chaves]

For you guys, what are the chances of having chapter 1000 still this year?

 

[stealthblack]

For you guys, what are the chances of having chapter 1000 still this year?

oda would have to provide 3 chapters in row often, so 1%

 

[Fuckthis3]

I could careless bout the breaks i just goin sit here snd enjoy the next two anime episodes

 

[Kejon]

For you guys, what are the chances of having chapter 1000 still this year?

36%.

 

[Nibel]

For you guys, what are the chances of having chapter 1000 still this year?

I think there is no chance.