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TBH I can't tell if he rly have some importance cuz he seem to know something about strategies etc....or he is just a puppet and everyone does what he asks just bc Kaido wants so and the real deal is Kyoshiro and they're keeping Orochi alive cuz he is easy to control.....at the end of the day even if he does what he does if he is a fodder and nothing less the only good thing about his death is that he won't waste pannel time anymore xD the only point he have is wait for Kaido/BP to fall and then be killed like nothing xD
That's the thing though, Orochi is still the secondary villain of this arc. Like we have Kyoshiro and big mom and the Yonkou commanders as villains and yet Oda has gone out of his way to hammer home the point that FODDEROCHI is more important than them this arc... He's also weak of course but he's still nose important than them
At this point for me, all I can gather from what Oda is trying to do with Fodderochi as a character is to provide contrasts. That's it. He's it's weak but he's also scum. And an arc villain has to be scum. Kaido despite his cheap shot 20 years ago, in present day is not that Scumy. He beats Luffy and let's him leave for practical reasons and retreats to drink himself into a stupor. Like it's actually sort of hard to hate Kaido right? The man seemingly has so little investment in the arc that you can't hate him that much. So Fodderochi is written to contrast him. A weakling who is pure scum.
At this point for me, all I can gather from what Oda is trying to do with Fodderochi as a character is to provide contrasts. That's it. He's it's weak but he's also scum. And an arc villain has to be scum. Kaido despite his cheap shot 20 years ago, in present day is not that Scumy. He beats Luffy and let's him leave for practical reasons and retreats to drink himself into a stupor. Like it's actually sort of hard to hate Kaido right? The man seemingly has so little investment in the arc that you can't hate him that much. So Fodderochi is written to contrast him. A weakling who is pure scum.
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Honestly, till the last chapter, Orochi felt as the main arc villain with Kaido being Orochi's subordinate (muscle).
With the last chapter, we finally got a villainous Kaido. I am guessing next chapter, Kaido attacks Oden castle and meets Toki/Momonusuke. His villainy will be more pronounced then. Oda is gonna make Kaido vile if Kaido attacks Oden castle (which doesn't have any warrior now) with his full force (King, Queen, Jack?).
With the last chapter, we finally got a villainous Kaido. I am guessing next chapter, Kaido attacks Oden castle and meets Toki/Momonusuke. His villainy will be more pronounced then. Oda is gonna make Kaido vile if Kaido attacks Oden castle (which doesn't have any warrior now) with his full force (King, Queen, Jack?).
Isn't it a bit late for that. Like for one this is kaido from 20 years ago so his villainy from back then would only matter if he was the same person right now. And yet it's seeming like they aren't the same person since Kaido back then wasn't so gung ho about dying as he is now.
If Kaido changed then isn't the most satisfying time to beat him back then instead of now... its like Big mom in reverse. Linlin we know gets progressively WORSE as time goes on to the point that you would feel bad if flashback Linlin got hurt... With it seems it would've been better to have killed him 20 years ago at the height of his villainy than now when he's a depressed suicidal maniac
It's like Killing Thanos before the Snap vs killing Thanos after the snap when he is retired and farming
If Kaido changed then isn't the most satisfying time to beat him back then instead of now... its like Big mom in reverse. Linlin we know gets progressively WORSE as time goes on to the point that you would feel bad if flashback Linlin got hurt... With it seems it would've been better to have killed him 20 years ago at the height of his villainy than now when he's a depressed suicidal maniac
It's like Killing Thanos before the Snap vs killing Thanos after the snap when he is retired and farming
We sort of did though, it is very clear during the Kaido vs Luffy fight that Kaido LET'S Luffy punch him up. Like we know he has BOTH the speed AND the power to have ended that fight the moment he got sober in human form but he let's Luffy try and then BAM
See Luffy's flurry of punches packs way more of a punch than free fall impact on the ground. Therefore Kaido letting this go on is him basically choosing a much more severe form of suicide by not guarding or resisting at all.
And besides, we know there's a correlation between this War and Kaido's suicide since they were spoken of in tandem when he was introduced. It's not clear if he wants to literally end the world Since he's frustrated he can't end himself, or if he wants to start a war so big that it would guarantee his death in the process or something. Point is we have no reason to believe that his suicide mentality is unconnected to this war.
See Luffy's flurry of punches packs way more of a punch than free fall impact on the ground. Therefore Kaido letting this go on is him basically choosing a much more severe form of suicide by not guarding or resisting at all.
And besides, we know there's a correlation between this War and Kaido's suicide since they were spoken of in tandem when he was introduced. It's not clear if he wants to literally end the world Since he's frustrated he can't end himself, or if he wants to start a war so big that it would guarantee his death in the process or something. Point is we have no reason to believe that his suicide mentality is unconnected to this war.
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I don't have a concrete counter to this yet, but when he made an alliance with BM, basically he said that they will conquer the world first and then kill each other if I remember correctly.
Unless he was lying, that kind of disconnects the war with his suicidal tendencies.
I thought it was Oda's attempt to showcase Kaido's defense but I guess your interpretation is not wrong.
Unless he was lying, that kind of disconnects the war with his suicidal tendencies.
I thought it was Oda's attempt to showcase Kaido's defense but I guess your interpretation is not wrong.
But see, What happens AFTER the taking over of the world?
We know big mom wants her all race utopia after taking over the world but what does Kaido want? Well he said it. He wants to destroy the world. And if he's alive when he destroys the world, well would he find a way of dying if his goal is literal planetary annihilation?
Like this man is very dangerous in this easy, he's presented as a pure nihilist which is very different from any other villain in the series
Why not both? Oda can use Kaido's wanting to die as a display of his defense... I mean ge already did that back when he fell from sky island... That scene introduced his suicide and his defense at once
We know big mom wants her all race utopia after taking over the world but what does Kaido want? Well he said it. He wants to destroy the world. And if he's alive when he destroys the world, well would he find a way of dying if his goal is literal planetary annihilation?
Like this man is very dangerous in this easy, he's presented as a pure nihilist which is very different from any other villain in the series
Why not both? Oda can use Kaido's wanting to die as a display of his defense... I mean ge already did that back when he fell from sky island... That scene introduced his suicide and his defense at once
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