Powers & Abilities The Case for Mihawk's COC (Ch. 1010)
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Few things.
Why did kaido say coc.
Was it due to asura itself or due to the attack.
I say attack as kaido and law see asura and say nothing (both know what coc is)
It's not only until kaido takes the attack he turns in shock to zoro and says he's a coc user too.
Which means zoro himself will learn to be able to master using coc on his swords to attack as well. Not just life or death situation.
Then there's the interesting points in @ImmaIvanoM s thread on coc and taming/mastering enma (which a lot of us were saying why only oden and zoro tamed enma)
Now I'm curious to see if coc has any links to kokutos.
But for sure when zoros gonna be using coc in his attacks in the future. I don't see mihawk not being able too.
Why did kaido say coc.
Was it due to asura itself or due to the attack.
I say attack as kaido and law see asura and say nothing (both know what coc is)
It's not only until kaido takes the attack he turns in shock to zoro and says he's a coc user too.
Which means zoro himself will learn to be able to master using coc on his swords to attack as well. Not just life or death situation.
Then there's the interesting points in @ImmaIvanoM s thread on coc and taming/mastering enma (which a lot of us were saying why only oden and zoro tamed enma)
Now I'm curious to see if coc has any links to kokutos.
But for sure when zoros gonna be using coc in his attacks in the future. I don't see mihawk not being able too.
There is no way Mihawk-Shanks didnt have a clash like Roger-WB where their swords were not touching. Thats what it takes to impress someone like WB. Of course Mihawk has CoC. He is the king of all swordsmen.
Why didn't he teach Zoro? Because 2 years was probably necessary just to teach the basics of haki. Rayleigh did the same, he only taught Luffy the basics of haki.
Why didn't he teach Zoro? Because 2 years was probably necessary just to teach the basics of haki. Rayleigh did the same, he only taught Luffy the basics of haki.
So Zoro never used Asura against Mihawk during the training? 
Was Zoro holding back against Mihawk?
Or it's worse, Pre-Enma Zoro used Asura, and pushed Mihawk to high-diff, but Mihawk still can't understand Asura is CoC? And didn't tell Zoro it was CoC while Kaido immediately understands what it is
How Zoro didn't know Asura was CoC after Mihawk's training? It's crazy.
Mihawk was surely comparable to Dressrosa Zoro like Zoro novel said. How Mihawk can match with Post-Enma Zoro who also improved with Kinemon's technique?
Was Zoro holding back against Mihawk?Or it's worse, Pre-Enma Zoro used Asura, and pushed Mihawk to high-diff, but Mihawk still can't understand Asura is CoC? And didn't tell Zoro it was CoC while Kaido immediately understands what it is
How Zoro didn't know Asura was CoC after Mihawk's training? It's crazy.
Mihawk was surely comparable to Dressrosa Zoro like Zoro novel said. How Mihawk can match with Post-Enma Zoro who also improved with Kinemon's technique?
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Mihawk having CoC in general was always obvious, I can say this chapter has pretty much confirmed it. Now whether he has Advanced CoC is a discussion to be had atm but based off of Kaido’s reaction to Zoro’s attack, it seems like even Zoro has the potential to replicate what Luffy was doing at end. Albeit with time. And if that’s the case, it ain’t even a discussion whether Mihawk has it.
You could tell Oda was building up towards this moment with scenes like the Monet one, which has always been one of the primary evidences for Zoro eventually unlocking CoC, the nature of the scene was just as such.
But Oda dropping this off hand Brook line in 997 was basically when the clock started ticking:
Mihawk may have realized that Zoro has Conqueror’s Haki, very likely during the timeskip via a latent outburst or via a spar. East Blue on the other hand Oda probably didn’t have all this figured out like that so the sweat mark isn’t solid evidence.
As for why he didn’t comment on it, I have no idea tbh...Rayleigh also didn’t comment on it as far as we know. So we’ll have to see, tho remember that CoC “can’t be trained” so Mihawk may have given Zoro a short comment that he didn’t bother to grasp at that moment knowing full well that Zoro was going to unlock it through battle eventually.
You could tell Oda was building up towards this moment with scenes like the Monet one, which has always been one of the primary evidences for Zoro eventually unlocking CoC, the nature of the scene was just as such.
But Oda dropping this off hand Brook line in 997 was basically when the clock started ticking:
As for why he didn’t comment on it, I have no idea tbh...Rayleigh also didn’t comment on it as far as we know. So we’ll have to see, tho remember that CoC “can’t be trained” so Mihawk may have given Zoro a short comment that he didn’t bother to grasp at that moment knowing full well that Zoro was going to unlock it through battle eventually.
So Zoro never used Asura against Mihawk? Was Zoro holding back against Mihawk?
Or it's worse, Pre-Enma Zoro used Asura, and pushed Mihawk to high-diff, but Mihawk still can't understand Asura is CoC?
How Zoro didn't know Asura was CoC after Mihawk's training? It's crazy. Mihawk was surely comparable to Dressrosa Zoro like Zoro novel said. How Mihawk can match with Post-Enma Zoro who can cut fire?
Was Zoro holding back against Mihawk?Or it's worse, Pre-Enma Zoro used Asura, and pushed Mihawk to high-diff, but Mihawk still can't understand Asura is CoC?
How Zoro didn't know Asura was CoC after Mihawk's training? It's crazy.
Mihawk was surely comparable to Dressrosa Zoro like Zoro novel said. How Mihawk can match with Post-Enma Zoro who can cut fire?
This is a damage control thread btw, the options should've mihawk doesn't understand CoC hits (like Zoro doesn't understand) and he doesn't have CoC.
As for the Rayleigh argument, Rayleigh showed FAR better Haki feats than Mihawk ever showed, so comparing Rayleigh to Mihawk makes no sense.
Mihawk didn't even understand Zoro beat the Baboons and he panicked when he learned Pre-TS Zoro beat them. While Rayleigh told Luffy how many animals he can beat, he even told Luffy the exact number of the animals he can beat with his current level.
As for the Rayleigh argument, Rayleigh showed FAR better Haki feats than Mihawk ever showed, so comparing Rayleigh to Mihawk makes no sense.
Mihawk didn't even understand Zoro beat the Baboons and he panicked when he learned Pre-TS Zoro beat them. While Rayleigh told Luffy how many animals he can beat, he even told Luffy the exact number of the animals he can beat with his current level.
This is a damage control thread btw, the options should've mihawk doesn't understand CoC hits (like Zoro) and he doesn't have CoC.
Zoro being the first to unlock COA means that Mihawk would probably have had opportunity to teach Zoro more than just the fundamentals of haki. More likely I think Mihawk would have focussed on armament, particularly Ryuou, and control over it. Zoro was able to snatch back his haki from Enma when even the Scabbards, samurai who had been trained in Ryuou for years, wouldn’t touch it. I think that’s what Mihawk drilled into him most and probably decided that COC was something Zoro would pick up eventually as he fought stronger opponents.
Ig its pretty unnecessary to embellish Mihawk having Coc idk. .. just coz of inferiority complex as a fan but look at it from a different perspective
MIHAWK DOESN'T HAVE COC AND RIVALS SOMEONE WHO HAS THE EPITOME OF MASTERY IN COC....
that's insane.. and since he has clashed with someone who has Coc so he knows what it feels like.. plus if Mihawk had it then.. wouldn't it have been better for zoro to learn it back then with Mihawk simultaneously with swordsmanship Luffy did it i don't see why zoro can't or couldn't and Mihawk didn't even tell him he has such an ace, Regarding Ryou... is another thing zoro was oblivious about and Luffy couldn't learn it.. i don't see how zoro can
MIHAWK DOESN'T HAVE COC AND RIVALS SOMEONE WHO HAS THE EPITOME OF MASTERY IN COC....
that's insane.. and since he has clashed with someone who has Coc so he knows what it feels like.. plus if Mihawk had it then.. wouldn't it have been better for zoro to learn it back then with Mihawk simultaneously with swordsmanship Luffy did it i don't see why zoro can't or couldn't and Mihawk didn't even tell him he has such an ace, Regarding Ryou... is another thing zoro was oblivious about and Luffy couldn't learn it.. i don't see how zoro can
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Rayleigh said conqueror's haki can't be trained and grows stronger as the user's spirit grows. I doubt Rayleigh taught Luffy how to use conqueror's, it's the one form of haki that you're supposed to figure out on your own.
I dont necessarily think Ashura is a manifestation of conqueror's haki, but that during the attack Zoro unconciously placed conqueror's haki to the attack, similar to how Luffy was doing at the end, which Kaido then sensed.
I hope Oda uses this to help Zoro properly awaken it, and eventually use it in casual attacks like how Luffy was doing.
As to why Mihawk never told Zoro about it, I think it would only confuse him, since he hadn't actually awakened Conqueror's haki, and was doing it without knowing.
I dont necessarily think Ashura is a manifestation of conqueror's haki, but that during the attack Zoro unconciously placed conqueror's haki to the attack, similar to how Luffy was doing at the end, which Kaido then sensed.
I hope Oda uses this to help Zoro properly awaken it, and eventually use it in casual attacks like how Luffy was doing.
As to why Mihawk never told Zoro about it, I think it would only confuse him, since he hadn't actually awakened Conqueror's haki, and was doing it without knowing.