Future Events The Defeat !!!

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#21
Which is why Hawkins prediction comes into play. They lose, some are captured and set for execution in a week or so. Giving enough time for Blackbeard and the marines to show up
But his prediction is still wrong since he says they have more chances to die than to be alive. They are not going to die.
Anyway we'll see.
 
#24
Bro what? He only says their chance of survival would be 19%, meaning they can still survive but it’s low. How is that wrong?
Meaning that if he had to choose a side he'd chose wrong. That's what I meant. His predictions are for him to make a choice and act upon them.
If he sees he has 0% chance of dying, he'll fight, if he sees that if he sticks with kaido he has 80% chance of winning he'll stick with kaido.
And it would be the wrong choice.
 

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#25
Meaning that if he had to choose a side he'd chose wrong. That's what I meant. His predictions are for him to make a choice and act upon them.
If he sees he has 0% chance of dying, he'll fight, if he sees that if he sticks with kaido he has 80% chance of winning he'll stick with kaido.
And it would be the wrong choice.
I think i understand what you mean but his prediction on luffy wasnt based on a chance, its about his overall odds in wano. Thats all, and im using his prediction to say that they will fail the raid, get captured and set for execution before turning the tides. Kabuki theater's act 3 always ends in tragedy for the ''good guys''.
 
#26
I think i understand what you mean but his prediction on luffy wasnt based on a chance, its about his overall odds in wano. Thats all, and im using his prediction to say that they will fail the raid, get captured and set for execution before turning the tides. Kabuki theater's act 3 always ends in tragedy for the ''good guys''.
I hope not. All of them already lost once. I don't think a second time is needed.
And if they lose what will change that would make them win. In the end it's still going to be luffy vs kaido, so if he doesn't win now there is no improvement he can make while being imprisoned and probably malnourished and then come back and win.
 

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#27
I hope not. All of them already lost once. I don't think a second time is needed.
And if they lose what will change that would make them win. In the end it's still going to be luffy vs kaido, so if he doesn't win now there is no improvement he can make while being imprisoned and probably malnourished and then come back and win.
all of them? Only luffy lost really, that samurai getting captured thing was just a small setback. For an arc about defeating yonko the stakes should be way higher, which is why i think it is for the benefit for the story in and of itself quality wise for the stakes to rise up. And what better way than to see this alliance getting shattered and about to be ended before fate does its thing and turns the tides on the yonko.
 
#28
all of them? Only luffy lost really, that samurai getting captured thing was just a small setback. For an arc about defeating yonko the stakes should be way higher, which is why i think it is for the benefit for the story in and of itself quality wise for the stakes to rise up. And what better way than to see this alliance getting shattered and about to be ended before fate does its thing and turns the tides on the yonko.
I guess everybody has their favourite scenario. Mine is the alliance winning after an extreme diff war. If they get crushed I will just find it bullshit that they can have the upper hand again.
 
#30
I guess everybody has their favourite scenario. Mine is the alliance winning after an extreme diff war. If they get crushed I will just find it bullshit that they can have the upper hand again.
Yeah. But win or lose, it's all about the WAY they win or lose. It's tricky because no one can seem too strong or too weak.
When he said he couldn't come because of Weevil being a threat to Sphinx Island I am sure that he meant it. As long as Weevil is a threat to Whitebeard's homeland I don't think that Marco will leave the island.
:lusalty: we need Marco.
 

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#31
I guess everybody has their favourite scenario. Mine is the alliance winning after an extreme diff war. If they get crushed I will just find it bullshit that they can have the upper hand again.
As i said, they could if reinforcements and other parties show up my friend. What i find more bullshit is this alliance someone winning against two emperors. As of right now the stakes and threat level of this arc have been nonexistent.
They are fighting yonkos for gods sake and they are going to baths and just chilling. Wano honestly felt like a vacation, even oden was a joke. There has to be something to up the stakes dramatically. I feel like this is the calm before the storm. The alliance is way too relaxed going into this, besides kinemon last chapter.
 
#32
Yeah. But win or lose, it's all about the WAY they win or lose. It's tricky because no one can seem too strong or too weak.

:lusalty: we need Marco.
Like Marco I meant what I wrote. I doubt he is going to come as long as he hasn't the certitude that Weevil isn't a threat to WB's home anymore.
 
#33
Like Marco I meant what I wrote. I doubt he is going to come as long as he hasn't the certitude that Weevil isn't a threat to WB's home anymore.
I know, I know, I'm just sulky as I think you're probably right. But also he appeared for a reason in the story, so I doubt that he will just sit there for long.
 
#34
I don't think the straw hat fleet will come, they have no reason to. And I think neko will arrive at a crucial time with reinforcement and change the tide of some fights.

As for Hawkins predictions, I think it was just a general prediction, I don't really care what he said. He is going to be wrong anyway. He'll make a prediction about kaido being defeated, he'll have 0% and kaido will still lose.
If luffy and co lose and are set for execution in a week or so let’s say. That gives time for the fleet to come as well as the marines and others. Oda did say the grand fleet will serve in a grand confrontation.
Let's imagine this scenario,
Kaido and BigMom defeats the alliance and Capture Them all, and this time the role is reversed and unlike Marineford this time Kaido makes announcement and broadcast it to whole world so that they know of Rocks Return and Kaido BMP alliance and tell everyone that They have Captured Marine's Dog who was Spying on them XDrake along with those who opposed them, SHP, Heart Pirates, Kid Pirates and the Rebellion against him... and he will hold public execution of them all in a week
This can trigger everyone joining in, even Marines since Akainu cares deeply about the public face of Marines and this is deep insult to them if they let their RearAdmiral be publicly executed
of course then Grand Fleet joining will be sure thing even RHP joining and WBP joining is possible....and if Sabo is alive or if Dragon cares he will also join....Garp will be coming for sure too and accompanying him Sengoku
the only party who wont need to join is BBP who is supposedly last opponent before Raftel
 
#35
If this arc is already underwhelming, imagine how unbearable it would become if, once again, the action was cut short and we suffered Udon 2.0 (maybe not even that) but with a lot more characters. Let Nekomamushi and company come in a critical moment if you want, but please, Oda, don't slow down the train of events now that we've known Oden's past, everybody is ready to fight and the samurais have sunk their ships because they're confident on their victory; Oden's own imprisonment was already flawed and anti-climatic, don't think you can handle it better with more and more important characters than him.

Regarding Hawkins prediction, I'd find it to be immensely more interesting that Wano ended before that month and he actually predicted some unknown future event so dangerous that the post-Wano Straw Hats only had a 19% chance of surviving.
 
#36
Let's imagine this scenario,
Kaido and BigMom defeats the alliance and Capture Them all, and this time the role is reversed and unlike Marineford this time Kaido makes announcement and broadcast it to whole world so that they know of Rocks Return and Kaido BMP alliance and tell everyone that They have Captured Marine's Dog who was Spying on them XDrake along with those who opposed them, SHP, Heart Pirates, Kid Pirates and the Rebellion against him... and he will hold public execution of them all in a week
This can trigger everyone joining in, even Marines since Akainu cares deeply about the public face of Marines and this is deep insult to them if they let their RearAdmiral be publicly executed
of course then Grand Fleet joining will be sure thing even RHP joining and WBP joining is possible....and if Sabo is alive or if Dragon cares he will also join....Garp will be coming for sure too and accompanying him Sengoku
the only party who wont need to join is BBP who is supposedly last opponent before Raftel
A defeat doesn't sound impossible, but a public execution of mass pirates by... Pirates? That doesn't sound like something that's done by pirates. Only marines like public executions, and even that is probably reserved for the more infamous pirates as sending a message.
 
#37
A defeat doesn't sound impossible, but a public execution of mass pirates by... Pirates? That doesn't sound like something that's done by pirates. Only marines like public executions, and even that is probably reserved for the more infamous pirates as sending a message.
In Punk Hazard Ceasar was doing public execution of Marines and Pirates for Underground agents
Kaido as seen wants the BIGGEST WAR world has ever seen...Kaido broadcasting it publicly could very well serve his purpose of telling Marines come and fight/stop me if you can and thus having his biggest war
 
#38
In Punk Hazard Ceasar was doing public execution of Marines and Pirates for Underground agents
Kaido as seen wants the BIGGEST WAR world has ever seen...Kaido broadcasting it publicly could very well serve his purpose of telling Marines come and fight me if you can and thus having his biggest war
But wouldn't marines be happy over executed pirates? ;)
I don't see Kaido as someone who'd care about details such as publicly broadcasting executions, but okay.
 

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#39
Let's imagine this scenario,
Kaido and BigMom defeats the alliance and Capture Them all, and this time the role is reversed and unlike Marineford this time Kaido makes announcement and broadcast it to whole world so that they know of Rocks Return and Kaido BMP alliance and tell everyone that They have Captured Marine's Dog who was Spying on them XDrake along with those who opposed them, SHP, Heart Pirates, Kid Pirates and the Rebellion against him... and he will hold public execution of them all in a week
This can trigger everyone joining in, even Marines since Akainu cares deeply about the public face of Marines and this is deep insult to them if they let their RearAdmiral be publicly executed
of course then Grand Fleet joining will be sure thing even RHP joining and WBP joining is possible....and if Sabo is alive or if Dragon cares he will also join....Garp will be coming for sure too and accompanying him Sengoku
the only party who wont need to join is BBP who is supposedly last opponent before Raftel
That actually makes a lot of sense, either way it goes with what im saying. By the way did you read red admirals post? About the possibillity of rocks being hidden and in cahoots with kaido and bm?
 

Fujishiro

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#40
A defeat doesn't sound impossible, but a public execution of mass pirates by... Pirates? That doesn't sound like something that's done by pirates. Only marines like public executions, and even that is probably reserved for the more infamous pirates as sending a message.
Remember how kaido wanted the word pirate to be erased from the newspaper when news of luffys capture was done? He will present them as rebels trying to overthrow the regime and a marine trying to help them do so, reinforcing their isolationism. The world will recognizse luffy and the rest as pirates tho and the marines will try to save face anyways. So yeah. It makes sense, and dont say that only marines like public executions when oden and scabbards was a thing. It can be recreated.
 
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