General & Others The more Oda hyped up the World Government, the lamer the BB Pirates look

#61
Luffy, Zoro, Dragon, Hancock and Akainu vs Imu round 1.

Imu kills Dragon and Akainu (maybe) then Imu dies. Similar to how Enel "dies" but he restart his heart and revive again.

Except that Blackbeard will kill Imu and take their DF and become the King of the World/EOS Final Villain.

Then round 2 starts with,

Luffy, Coby (?), Doflamingo, Fujitora and Sabo vs Blackbeard.
Replaced Hancock with Doffy.
 
#62
1-You are assuming that
2-that doesnt make it better. The will of D so far has been portrayed as a good thing, it makes no sense to have a villain achieve that. Not to mention Whitebeard saying that BB isnt the man Roger was waiting for
Teach is following D. Xebec's will, Roger's will is Luffy, thats what WB said. Roger didn't want to be king of the world as well, Luffy and Roger want a stupid thing like the biggest party in the world, Xebec and Teach wants a different thing.

Imu doesn't have 10 commanders that match with EoS SH pirates. Its there to understand, not that difficult.
Because Imu is related to all the major mysteries of the world, BB is just a pirate
What Imu hiding for 800 years has anything to do with BB's crew being introduced more than other crews before fighting? Because BB crew were meant to be FVs for SH pirates. While Imu will go down by multiple factions like Revos, rogue Marines like Fujitora, Pirates like Cross Guild etc
 
#63
I could see that being the case if someone believes BB pirates are the final bosses. But as someone leaning towards WG nothing changed for me. BB is a rival for pirate king, even after learning about Xebec’s ambition BB hasn’t declared a desire for anything more than pk, Luffy’s true dream is after becoming pk so naturally the BB pirates only feel like a stepping stone as of now. I’m still excited for the inevitable clash because Oda did well in making Luffy’s main pirate obstacle feel personal, nothing wrong w there being a greater force to be taken down afterwards.
 
#64
But thats literally whats been indicated all the time. Tell me a single battle Blackbeard fought, or a single encounter Blackbeard had, where no one doubted him.
Why would anyone doubt him if he was establised as one of the last opponents ? He cought some small Ls here and there but nothing serious because he's supposed to be one of the last to go down.

Shanks is untouched until now, yet we know Teach gave him that scar in a fair battle, and be sure when the time comes that them two battle, eventually Blackbeard will crush Shanks. He will make him look like Ace where he gets beaten up at the start, but eventually crushes him without it looking too close.
You miss the point here. Its not that BB is weak or anything its the BBP that suck as a crew. Without Teach & Kuzan they are a bunch of clowns.
Oda hyped the shit out of the lvl 6 prisoner and almost 15years later every time they appear they get clowned. These guys arent rookies.
As for his first crewmembers
Burgess appearence in DR started really well and he ended up as Sabo's hypetool without even scratching.
He hyped their df hunting as something big and all of them ended up with mid dfs.
 

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#68
It's like BBP are being undermined even when it's their time to shine lol.
If the Holy Knights & the Gorousei are hyped now, then ofc the fans will look forward to their favorite characters fight them.
A Gorousei is also coming to Egghead where we can see him in action, meanwhile what have BBPs done?

Vasco Shot & Devon got neg diff by Hancock.
Doc Q, Sanjuan Wolf, Vasco Shot & Pizarro got neg diff by Aokiji.
Shiryu and Laffitte have done nothing worth of praise till now, Shiryu is just a bystander as Garp fights Kuzan.

Hard to really be hyped for SHs vs BBPs when this is the case.
 
#71
Teach is following D. Xebec's will, Roger's will is Luffy, thats what WB said. Roger didn't want to be king of the world as well, Luffy and Roger want a stupid thing like the biggest party in the world, Xebec and Teach wants a different thing.

Imu doesn't have 10 commanders that match with EoS SH pirates. Its there to understand, not that difficult.

What Imu hiding for 800 years has anything to do with BB's crew being introduced more than other crews before fighting? Because BB crew were meant to be FVs for SH pirates. While Imu will go down by multiple factions like Revos, rogue Marines like Fujitora, Pirates like Cross Guild etc
1. We dont actually know if Rocks is dead. Oda hides the event because it going to be relevant in the future and we dont have context.

2. We dont actually know if BB carries Rocks' will. Everyone assumes this because his ship happens to be named Saber of Xebec, a relatively unknown fact from an old databook until Rocks' name was revealed.

3. The whole 10 member thing works also Shanks and technically Akainu if you consider who else fills out the Zodiac codenames outside of Aokiji and Kizaru.

4. It also doesnt consider the fact that the crew probably wont be the only allies fighting the WG. The RA exists, so does Kid and Law. So does the SHF, etc. If we compare to Kaido, the Gorosei could be the commander equivalents, and you have Zoro, Sanji, Kid, Law and Sabo fight them (random guess), while the Gods Knights are variable F6/VA type fighters for the rest of the crew, RA commanders, Fleet members and Supernova. Plus whoever else exists in the government that needs to be fought.

Imu is not going down separately from the crew when quite literally the entire story is built on taking down the establishment in the end (the thing Roger couldnt do even as Pirate King)
 
#72
What Dragon + same Sabo + rest of Revolutionary Army did when BB pirates find their HQ.




Teach takes on Dragon
Teach's crew takes on Sabo

You hype Gorosei over Sabo, what do you think Sabo would do if find out BB pirates?

Who did they send when they learned Burgess lost on Dressrosa vs Sabo? They send Shiryu.

Shiryu is superior to Sabo.
They did what BB did when Rayleigh showed up, actually they did better.
 
#73
Lmao Law does have better Haki feats than Teach
It looks like your PTSD erased DFless Teach scarring Shanks's Haki defense, showing better attack power with barehands than Jinbe, and Teach without Quake DF 1 handed blocking a mountain slash vs SHawk, and creating ZZT effects while attacking Law's submarine. :milaugh:
They did what BB did when Rayleigh showed up, actually they did better.
BB made a deal to take his men back and kidnapped Koby and Rayleigh admitted he got lucky BB accepted the deal, didn't leave his HQ Hachinosu to Rayleigh, ''Actually did better'' sounds like a dumb person talking, wait this is blazing bitch of course he is.
 
#74
It looks like your PTSD erased DFless Teach scarring Shanks's Haki defense and Teach without Quake DF 1 handed blocking a mountain slash vs SHawk, and creating ZZT effects while attacking Law's submarine. :milaugh:

BB made a deal to take his men back and kidnapped Koby and Rayleigh admitted he got lucky BB accepted the deal, didn't leave his HQ Hachinosu to Rayleigh, ''Actually did better'' sounds like a dumb person talking, wait this is blazing bitch of course he is.
Blocking a Hakiless slash isn’t impressive. Pica would have blocked Zoro’s slash which just cut a mountain if Zoro had weaker Haki than Pica.

We don’t know how Teach scarred Shanks. It probably has something to do with the secret about his body, which is implied to be that he shares his body with the souls of his two sisters. One of them may actually be a competent fighter
 
#75
I could see that being the case if someone believes BB pirates are the final bosses. But as someone leaning towards WG nothing changed for me. BB is a rival for pirate king, even after learning about Xebec’s ambition BB hasn’t declared a desire for anything more than pk, Luffy’s true dream is after becoming pk so naturally the BB pirates only feel like a stepping stone as of now. I’m still excited for the inevitable clash because Oda did well in making Luffy’s main pirate obstacle feel personal, nothing wrong w there being a greater force to be taken down afterwards.
It’s not just final villain thing as much as it is a dehype of the next opponent through showcasing the final one.

Like Sabo was introduced fucking up one of teachs strongest. And now he’s brought back getting completely fucked up by these gorosei which makes the TCs look terrible.
 
#76
Blocking a Hakiless slash isn’t impressive. Pica would have blocked Zoro’s slash which just cut a mountain if Zoro had weaker Haki than Pica.

We don’t know how Teach scarred Shanks. It probably has something to do with the secret about his body, which is implied to be that he shares his body with the souls of his two sisters. One of them may actually be a competent fighter
Hakiless slash is something you invented from your butt due to your Teach butthurt.

If Shawk's slashes are weak he can't cut a mountain, do you even know how much power and skill to cut a mountain without even Haki? That means Shawk's physical strength would be out of charts like Nightmare Luffy being swordsman still didn't cut mountain. Its your baseless butt saying he can't use Haki no proof on that.

Zolo used CoA Haki to cut Golem Pica Stones, if Haki wasn't needed he wouldn't waste his Haki.

Even then Hakiless G2 Luffy overpowered Boa Marigold's Barrier CoA. There is no stupid rule like Haki magically blocks every Hakiless attack only in your mind perhaps.

Hakiless Hody's bite overpowered PostTS Luffy's CoA as well debunks your butt again.

And still you didn't provide its confirmed Shawk can't use Haki when they were suppose to be superior to original Shichibukai. If Shawk can't use Haki how his sword is not getting broken vs Haki user Zolo's swords when Zolo uses special swords+CoA to block him? Explain.

Teach's barehands showed better attack power than Jinbe vs Ace, unless you believe Teach's skills is better than fishman karate the difference was Haki between Jinbe.

Thats why Shanks hyped DFless Teach, you make excuses from your butt. Teach having a special body only increases his defense not offense, he still has superior Haki to overpower Shanks's Haki defense. Teach clearly used his claw and Shanks protected his eye with his sword but Teach's claw overpowered Shanks's sword, Shanks saved his eye but still got scarred. If Shanks didn't block Teach with sword he would be one eyed like Zolo.
 
#77
Oda ruined BBP by giving them average uninspiring dfs and no real combat hype

Only Teach matters...him lacking a conqueror under him is why bbp won't be that great
Yonko crew bar BMP and WBP (with Oden) is all just about the captain who gets wanked
 
#79
Just Wait for Teach to pill a fast one on WG again and get Imu's Mythical Zoan for his 3rd df.

I even have a possibility prediction for that


Capture Garp -> Bargain with WG for Maryjoya entrance -> Pizarro takes control of Maryjoya island, Lafitte hypnosis, Shiryu invisibility, Augur Teleportation and Devon infiltration help Teach go near IMU and steal his DF
 

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#80
This thread will age poorly.

The BBPs are like the Straw Hats, they look shit at first, but then they show off what they can really do at the climax of the arc.

Look at Marineford and Impel Down, Teach almost died to Magellan, got injured by Pre Time Skip Luffy, but then he and his crew fought again the Old Legends together.


There's a reason why we didn't get to see any of the Payback War or the clash with the Revolutionary Army on panel, Oda is hiding what they're really capable from the readers.
 
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