Current Events The New Generation vs Old Generation Battle

[KiriNigiri]

Not gonna comment on what will happen, but I love the way the spread is structured. Back when Kaido first appeared he towered over the Supernova he faced. There was clear separation between him and the rookies.

The new spread has them face-to-face. Maybe not as literal equals in strength, but in story standing they are. Whoever wins here will change the course of history forever.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

If the Big Mom pirates become relevant again, which is possible, there you go, another 4-5 veteran/commander level fights.

And even if that doesn't happen, its not my point. Im saying they won't be the ones to defeat Kaido/Big Mom. That's Luffy and very likely Kid's role. Im honestly just trying to compromise and give the rest some relevant fights instead of being thrashed.

Guaranteed Zoro fans would be upset if:

- Zoro performs big feat against Kaido
- Kaido knocks out Zoro
- Luffy defeats Kaido

All while Sanji fights Queen and wins exclusively. Wouldnt you? You wouldn't be upset if Zoro never got a definitive fight, but lost to Kaido? Im pitching that Zoro STILL fights King otherwise lol. Kaido is Luffy's fight. That never will change lmao

so he gets knocked out and ducks the fight to king
sounds like he should stay knocked out.


its not about what will upset certain fandoms or what wont
its about what has been set up...
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Not gonna comment on what will happen, but I love the way the spread is structured. Back when Kaido first appeared he towered over the Supernova he faced. There was clear separation between him and the rookies.

The new spread has them face-to-face. Maybe not as literal equals in strength, but in story standing they are. Whoever wins here will change the course of history forever.

reckon the grand fleet shows up?

 

[Ice devil slayer]

If the Big Mom pirates become relevant again, which is possible, there you go, another 4-5 veteran/commander level fights.

And even if that doesn't happen, its not my point. Im saying they won't be the ones to defeat Kaido/Big Mom. That's Luffy and very likely Kid's role. Im honestly just trying to compromise and give the rest some relevant fights instead of being thrashed.

Guaranteed Zoro fans would be upset if:

- Zoro performs big feat against Kaido
- Kaido knocks out Zoro
- Luffy defeats Kaido

All while Sanji fights Queen and wins exclusively. Wouldnt you? You wouldn't be upset if Zoro never got a definitive fight, but lost to Kaido? Im pitching that Zoro STILL fights King otherwise lol. Kaido is Luffy's fight. That never will change lmao

Zoro Will be pivotal in Kaido's defeat..he will reopen his wound or gives him a scar like Oden

Even if Luffy deals the final blow..it doesn't mean that Zoro will lose here lul
He will help Luffy in this fight

There's literally 0 build up
Absolutely nothing to say that Law and killer will fight the BMP pirates wth lol ?

Law and killer will fight Kaido and bm just like Zoro will

Oda didn't hype this fight so much just for them to fight King etc

 

[Garp the Fist]

Napoleon lost too many ships and had to give up Britain's invasion if I'm not wrong and even Waterloo was a loss for him, not sure if he died there or not tho

His forces fought at Trafalgar but Napoleon himself was at the time in command of an army in the mainland fighting against the Austrians, which he won.

And his final defeat was at Waterloo, but he survived it.

Doesn‘t really change your point that Law could take on Big Mom and Napoleon though, just the overall historic points aren’t quite right and I’m a nerd for that sort of thing

 

[Paperchampion23]

zoro battle and sanji's battle are in no way tied together like you continue to imply
statements like if this fights x then this has to fight y is offbeat



you have to consider certain things
queen and sanji looks ideal with the cyborg thing going on, knowing judge albeit a lot more than we think . already interested in sanji after seeing the bounties


zoro and king?
nothing
no interaction
no reason to go after him
to somehow think these characters including law and killer will be delegated to something else is funny. they aim to take down kaido and big mom, they dont have to land the finishing blow and if they dont
they will fall on the roof and let the others carry on.

gotta stick to your earlier matchups predictions I guess but it wont look good .

Then im not sure what people are expecting, because in the end, Zoro will be shafted when Luffy receives the spotlight against a Yonko. Hes the main character, hes the captain, hes the one aiming to be PK, not Zoro.

The ONLY thing Zoro is poised to do cut Kaido like Oden. Thats his goal, and has nothing to do with actually defeating Kaido. That is a plot thread I agree with. All im saying is that it would be a good thing if Sanji fought Queen while Zoro fought King, because at least neither character is shafted from fighting Yonko in the end.

I hope people get what im saying because at least on one end, if Zoro is removed from the Kaido fight, he will at least have King to fall back to. On the other, his spotlight WILL be shafted in favor for Luffy defeating a Yonko.

 

[KiriNigiri]

reckon the grand fleet shows up?

I use to be a firm supporter of that, but ever since the raid started, and especially since Onigashima was lifted by Kaido, I consider the idea dead.

The only players will be the ones already on the island.

 

[Ricassian]

His forces fought at Trafalgar but Napoleon himself was at the time in command of an army in the mainland fighting against the Austrians and the Russians, which he won.

And his final defeat was at Waterloo, but he survived it.

Doesn‘t really change your point that Law could take on Big Mom and Napoleon though, just the overall historic points aren’t quite right and I’m a nerd for that sort of thing

You did good in correcting me, I was sure to remember it right
Guess I was wrong tho :zorothink:

 

[Paperchampion23]

Zoro Will be pivotal in Kaido's defeat..he will reopen his wound or gives him a scar like Oden

Even if Luffy deals the final blow..it doesn't mean that Zoro will lose here lul
He will help Luffy in this fight

There's literally 0 build up
Absolutely nothing to say that Law and killer will fight the BMP pirates wth lol ?

Law and killer will fight Kaido and bm just like Zoro will

Oda didn't hype this fight so much just for them to fight King etc

Got nothing else to say except wait and see. There are things that Oda does that I dont expect him to change in arc structure. Zoro's ambition doesn't have him defeating Yonko, it has him performing feats against other swordsmen, which Kaido is not. Kid and Luffu actually aim to defeat Yonko to become PK.

If Sanji fights Queen, I expect Zoro to fight King. We can say there's no setup for sure, but we still have no idea what Shimotsuki connection Zoro has, we don't know Kings species, and we don't know who actually killed the Shimotsuki clan in Ringo.

Things COULD change, all I'm saying to you

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Then im not sure what people are expecting, because in the end, Zoro will be shafted when Luffy receives the spotlight against a Yonko. Hes the main character, hes the captain, hes the one aiming to be PK, not Zoro.

The ONLY thing Zoro is poised to do cut Kaido like Oden. Thats his goal, and has nothing to do with actually defeating Kaido. That is a plot thread I agree with. All im saying is that it would be a good thing if Sanji fought Queen while Zoro fought King, because at least neither character is shafted from fighting Yonko in the end.

I hope people get what im saying because at least on one end, if Zoro is removed from the Kaido fight, he will at least have King to fall back to. On the other, his spotlight WILL be shafted in favor for Luffy defeating a Yonko.

and thats fine
thats so far all that has been set up is with kaido
last person who opened up kaido's wound was considered a monster by kaido himself . you literally have 9 scabbards that failed to do that one thing.

there is no falling back to anything
you are suggesting he fails in the kaido fight and runs down to challenge king cause he realizes he's useless upstairs?

lol sound analysis on his character
if he gets knocked out
he should stay knocked out.

law and killer have nothing to do with bm pirates
they stay up too.
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even sanji beating queen with the drake plot still in play might not be solo
problem with headcanon is you dive into more headcanon till we start arguing about headcanon

 

[Paperchampion23]

and thats fine
thats so far all that has been set up is with kaido
last person who opened up kaido's wound was considered a monster by kaido himself . you literally have 9 scabbards that failed to do that one thing.

there is no falling back to anything
you are suggesting he fails in the kaido fight and runs down to challenge king cause he realizes he's useless upstairs?

lol sound analysis on his character
if he gets knocked out
he should stay knocked out.

law and killer have nothing to do with bm pirates
they stay up too.

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying something may change in the plot (Zoro gets separated after cutting Kaido; King goes to the roof; Zoro's lineage is explained and King is responsible for the Ringo massacre) that could change the dynamic of the fight in a logical way.

I would never expect Zoro to run away from Kaido, but for Zoro to leave it to Luffy while he handles something else. Sanji and Jinbe were attempting to go to the roof, look at them now, distracted by other villains.

All I'm saying here

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying something may change in the plot (Zoro gets separated after cutting Kaido; King goes to the roof; Zoro's lineage is explained and King is responsible for the Ringo massacre) that could change the dynamic of the fight in a logical way.

I would never expect Zoro to run away from Kaido, but for Zoro to leave it to Luffy while he handles something else. Sanji and Jinbe were attempting to go to the roof, look at them now, distracted by other villains.

All I'm saying here

not been set up
so I simply dont agree with it

king should have his hands full with marco anyway who more than likely will want to prevent them from interrupting with the sn's efforts in taking down kaido.
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I use to be a firm supporter of that, but ever since the raid started, and especially since Onigashima was lifted by Kaido, I consider the idea dead.

The only players will be the ones already on the island.

and the raid failing
or will it be a success.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

If King was Zoro's main fight
I feel like King would've stopped him in this chap and oda would've done a better job at setting it up like he did with Queen and Sanji

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

If King was Zoro's main fight
I feel like King would've stopped him in this chap and oda would've done a betterjob at setting up like he did with Queen and Sanji

some kind of mention at least
perhaps notice his blade
literally non -existent.
I was on the king ship too but it looks like that has sailed.

 

[kumae]

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying something may change in the plot (Zoro gets separated after cutting Kaido; King goes to the roof; Zoro's lineage is explained and King is responsible for the Ringo massacre) that could change the dynamic of the fight in a logical way.

I would never expect Zoro to run away from Kaido, but for Zoro to leave it to Luffy while he handles something else. Sanji and Jinbe were attempting to go to the roof, look at them now, distracted by other villains.

All I'm saying here

If Zoro's cut kaido he will not have another match and less with the firdt commander,that would be treat the character like a god

 

[Paperchampion23]

If King was Zoro's main fight
I feel like King would've stopped him in this chap and oda would've done a better job at setting it up like he did with Queen and Sanji

Well, Zoro is set up with a feat for Kaido anyhow. Its not like Sanji or Jinbe were set up to fight F6 or Calamities prior. They both wanted to go to the roof to defeat Kaido too.

I'm just saying that there is plenty of mystery to be had, with Zoro's lineage and King's identity. I don't expect Oda to dedicate time to Marco fighting a YC, its not his place to surpass the Beasts pirates really.
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If Zoro's cut kaido he will not have another match and less with the firdt commander,that would be treat the character like a god

Not really. Cutting Kaido isn't defeating Kaido

 

[KageFumi]

I guess if we see with all seven perspectives character in rooftop, from Supernova they all want Kaido's head. While the Emperors want only Luffy's it seems.

So for earlier fight situation, of course Luffy will straight up to Kaido like he did in 1000, but Big Mom will interfere and fight Luffy instead. Kaido want to gang Luffy up and Zoro Kid Killer will prevent that.

Law either join Luffy fight Big Mom or standby on supporting role for both side. All in all, it's tricky situation.

 

[Irregular]

The scabbards version 2.0

 

[Ice devil slayer]

The scabbards version 2.0

 

[Paperchampion23]

All I'm saying is people need to be open to the possibility that things will shift and change in the coming chapters. Who knows how straightforward or unorthodox these fights will be

 

[Guymieux]

All I'm saying is people need to be open to the possibility that things will shift and change in the coming chapters. Who knows how straightforward or unorthodox these fights will be

Oda goes out his way to showyou that the worst gen will defeat kaido and big mom. Shows you that zoro has been after kaido since he stepped foot on onigashima. Has enma . And you’re the genius that continues talking about king !! Zoro has to much set up this arc to just fight king . King is not worthy of zoro dude . Cut the nonsense