Powers & Abilities The only reason why Zoro cut Kaidou

[Sentry22]

Hahaha using the tcb scans because they support your agenda while ignoring the panels from the official there is no mention of any power here.

And here Zoro first neutralizes Kaido blast breath with the technique he just stole from Kinemon with his Sharingan because he is that much of a genius he can take look at it once and use it against a yonko, then he channels tremendous amounts of his own haki into Enma to perform that attack it's all Zoro :cheers:

So basically Zoro before pouring a sufficient amount of haki into Enma vs Zoro when he successfully poured a desired amount of haki into Enma.

Congratulations. Your panels have proven that Kaido and BM are both scared of Zoro's haki.

The power part doesn't matter much to me in this discussion. I emphasized the importance of the blade he is using.
Meaning when he is using anything but Enma it doesn't have the desired result. Neither Wado Ichimonji nor Sandai Kitetsu were able to cut Kaido. It was only when Zoro was using Enma that he started to cut Kaido correctly. This is because he himself lacks the skill with CoA to do so. It's Enma's ability specifically that allows the user to cut Kaido.

There's countless panels Big Mom and Kaido specifically pointing out the blades power. Not once prior to Asura did they say anything about Zoro's haki. That should be evidence enough regardless of what translation you use.

And congratulations to you guys for completely missing the point I was trying to make.

 

[Zoro the badass god]

Give Enma to Eos sanji,Eos sanji die in second.give raid suit to zoro,zoro endurance got little upgrade.sanjitards rather being stupid as long they can wank their pathetic gay lanji

 

[CbShadow]

The power part doesn't matter much to me in this discussion. I emphasized the importance of the blade he is using.
Meaning when he is using anything but Enma it doesn't have the desired result. Neither Wado Ichimonji nor Sandai Kitetsu were able to cut Kaido. It was only when Zoro was using Enma that he started to cut Kaido correctly. This is because he himself lacks the skill with CoA to do so. It's Enma's ability specifically that allows the user to cut Kaido.

There's countless panels Big Mom and Kaido specifically pointing out the blades power. Not once prior to Asura did they say anything about Zoro's haki. That should be evidence enough regardless of what translation you use.

And congratulations to you guys for completely missing the point I was trying to make.

Why is that you and others continue to ignore manga facts when it comes to enma and cutting Kaido. Everything you stated in your post is wrong. It has been countered numerous times in this thread and other threads.

Enma doesn't give the user the ability to cut Kaido. Zoro cut Kaido with 3 or 9 swords not one. Oden cut Kaido with 2 swords. The Scabbards cut Kaido without enma.

I have explained everything about enma, Big Mom, and Kaido in the my post.

Here we go again. Let's have some fun.

Enma doesn't store haki. It forces out more haki than the current user wishes to release if they can't control it.

Usopp won't Scar Kaido with enma. If the Scabbards can't control enma than a none swordsman like Usopp can't. Swinging a sword doesn't equal to controlling a sword.

When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't scar or even cut Kaido. He only bruised him. If enma was the reason Zoro scarred Kaido than each one of his attacks would have scarred Kaido. Especially, since you believe Usopp, a none swordsman, can scarred Kaido with enma. It's almost like Oda added that scene to shut up anybody who wants to claim enma does the work, not the user.

The strange haki Kaido feels is Zoro's haki. Kaido is familiar with Oden and his haki so he knows how it feels. He is unfamiliar with Zoro's haki because he has never faced Zoro before so Zoro's haki would feel strange to him.

When Zoro scarred Kaido he never mentioned Oden or Oden's haki. He only mentioned Zoro's haki (CoC) and gave credit to Zoro, not enma or Oden.

Zoro didn't know what Luffy was training in. They didn't train together so the first time he saw Luffy use his new power was against Kaido.

That was just his reaction to seeing Luffy's new power for the first time.

As we can see, Zoro didn't know what Luffy training. Which was different than Kid who didn't know the type of haki Luffy learned or the fact it can be used with physical attacks.

Go ahead and hold this, you deserve it.
:holdthisl:

Enma doesn't boost anything. It uses Zoro's haki. The difference between those things is the amount of haki Zorp is releasing. I have perfectly explained that. The fact Zoro was able to take his haki back proves he can control large amounts of haki.

My previous post explains everything proves anybody claiming it's the sword that's doing the work or Oden haki is posting BS.


You deserve one of these too.
:holdthisl:

BM never credited the sword. She just stated it's not an ordinary sword and we know that. It's a sword that forces the user to release more haki then he wishes if he can't control it.

Kaido stated he feels Oden's presence.

Presence doesn't equal to haki.

Kaido told the Scabbards he saw Oden or his presence in there spirit. But none of them has Oden's haki.

When Zoro scarred Kaido, Kaido never mentioned the sword or Oden. Funny that continues to be omitted.

The rest I have already explained in my previous post.

 

[Sentry22]

Why is that you and others continue to ignore manga facts when it comes to enma and cutting Kaido. Everything you stated in your post is wrong. It has been countered numerous times in this thread and other threads.

Enma doesn't give the user the ability to cut Kaido. Zoro cut Kaido with 3 or 9 swords not one. Oden cut Kaido with 2 swords. The Scabbards cut Kaido without enma.

I have explained everything about enma, Big Mom, and Kaido in the my post.

You really gonna pretend like Enma wasn't said to be able to cut Kaido from the very beginning when there is a panel of it? The very first panel I showed you on my previous post shows Zoro using 3 swords and failing to cut Kaido's neck. Only for Zoro to say he needs to release more power from Enma.

I know you guys are good at ignoring shit that's right in front of you, but c'mon man you can't be that blind.
I don't even know why I kept going with this argument with a Zoro fan who can't accept the facts.

 

[Finalbeta]

The notion that Enma was the blade that wounded Kaido doesn't necessarily mean that its AP is greater than another great grade. Also it's not even looking correct technically as Oden wounded Kaido with a double sword unless he somewhat slashed Kaido twice with Enma, or only the deeper scar is factored which makes no sense. In any of these cases it doesn't necessarily mean another Great Grade could not attain the same.

 

[Sentry22]

The notion that Enma was the blade that wounded Kaido doesn't necessarily mean that its AP is greater than another great grade. Also it's not even looking correct technically as Oden wounded Kaido with a double sword unless he somewhat slashed Kaido twice with Enma, or only the deeper scar is factored which makes no sense. In any of these cases it doesn't necessarily mean another Great Grade could not attain the same.

That's because Oden is skilled enough with CoA to clash with the likes of Prime WB. Oden's skill with armament is not in question when Kaido himself says the scabbards are using Oden's Ryou. It suggest that Oden's level of armament is top tier. jWhich means he doesn't need to rely on Enma to cut Kaido.

I also call BS on Enma not having greater AP. You can clearly see the difference when Zoro uses it the first time. Oda's put a great deal of importance on Enma's use against Kaido.

 

[imacub]

Meaning when he is using anything but Enma it doesn't have the desired result

literally nothing even indicate that zoro only cut Kaido with Enma when zoro used tatsumaki and ashura

 

[сука]

You really gonna pretend like Enma wasn't said to be able to cut Kaido from the very beginning when there is a panel of it? The very first panel I showed you on my previous post shows Zoro using 3 swords and failing to cut Kaido's neck. Only for Zoro to say he needs to release more power from Enma.

I know you guys are good at ignoring shit that's right in front of you, but c'mon man you can't be that blind.
I don't even know why I kept going with this argument with a Zoro fan who can't accept the facts.

Lmao just fuck off to reddit. They will give you upvotes for being a retard there

 

[HA001]

That's because Oden is skilled enough with CoA to clash with the likes of Prime WB. Oden's skill with armament is not in question when Kaido himself says the scabbards are using Oden's Ryou. It suggest that Oden's level of armament is top tier. jWhich means he doesn't need to rely on Enma to cut Kaido.

I also call BS on Enma not having greater AP. You can clearly see the difference when Zoro uses it the first time. Oda's put a great deal of importance on Enma's use against Kaido.

Stop being retarded. Enma uses ITS HOLDERS haki

 

[CbShadow]

You really gonna pretend like Enma wasn't said to be able to cut Kaido from the very beginning when there is a panel of it? The very first panel I showed you on my previous post shows Zoro using 3 swords and failing to cut Kaido's neck. Only for Zoro to say he needs to release more power from Enma.

I know you guys are good at ignoring shit that's right in front of you, but c'mon man you can't be that blind.
I don't even know why I kept going with this argument with a Zoro fan who can't accept the facts.

I guess these pages don't exist.

Those attacks are Oden 2 sword style attack. Oden uses 2 swords with paradise and cut Kaido with 2 swords, one sword being enma. While the Scabbards used to swords with paradise and cut Kaido with 2 sword. None of their swords were enma.

The scene that stated only enma has cut Kaido was a mistranslation. You don't have to be true because Oden cut Kaido with both of his swords.

Just because Kaido endured torture doesn't mean he wasn't hurt.

We are accepting facts. You're the one who can't accept facts.

 

[Finalbeta]

That's because Oden is skilled enough with CoA to clash with the likes of Prime WB. Oden's skill with armament is not in question when Kaido himself says the scabbards are using Oden's Ryou. It suggest that Oden's level of armament is top tier. jWhich means he doesn't need to rely on Enma to cut Kaido.

I also call BS on Enma not having greater AP. You can clearly see the difference when Zoro uses it the first time. Oda's put a great deal of importance on Enma's use against Kaido.

Oda never displayed Enma to possess greater AP than any other Great Grade at all.

All Enma does is exuding the user's own haki and energy and that allows them to train their power until that doesn't occur anymore.

Just looking at Oden's arm, it was normal the moment he died. A conceivable reason as to why Enma didn't store his haki either, in all likelihood.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Man, if Enma has Oden's haki then the Raid Suit or Gomu must have Judge's/JoyBoy's haki in it.

 

[Finalbeta]

Man, if Enma has Oden's haki then the Raid Suit or Gomu must have Judge's/JoyBoy's haki in it.

And Sanji got FS.

 

[bennbeckman]

@bennbeckman yo my man, it's time to make a POLL thread about what is Zoro gonna do now, go fight King or go fight Kaidou

I will make one today

 

[Gears Kaios]

It’s legit because of Enma. Without the sword there is no remote way Zoro could’ve accomplished such a feat

or actually learning ryou with his other 2 swords

One other exception is by using his newly awakened CoC but he can’t spam it not even in the slightest

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And Sanji got FS.

Yeah
Most likely

 

[Finalbeta]

It’s legit because of Enma. Without the sword there is no remote way Zoro could’ve accomplished such a feat

or actually learning ryou with his other 2 swords

One other exception is by using his newly awakened CoC but he can’t spam it not even in the slightest

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Yeah
Most likely

I was joking. Anyway, any reason why you believe Enma is so proficient from an AP perspective?

 

[Gears Kaios]

I was joking. Anyway, any reason why you believe Enma is so proficient from an AP perspective?

It forcefully uses more of your haki than you intend

 

[Finalbeta]

It forcefully uses more of your haki than you intend

Yeah of course but that's basically not on the sword's AP, it's literally how the sword allows the user to express their full potential. The sword's AP is still a mere simple Great Grade level as far as we acknowledged.

If you look at Zoro's arm it has been consistently normal sized for ages. So logic dictates that he probably used the sword enough time he trained to become stronger and now the sword is likely not even helping him anymore that wise. At first probably he had troubles controlling his own arm for a decent period of time.

 

[uyuu]

BM never credited the sword. She just stated it's not an ordinary sword and we know that. It's a sword that forces the user to release more haki then he wishes if he can't control it.

Kaido stated he feels Oden's presence.

Presence doesn't equal to haki.

Kaido told the Scabbards he saw Oden or his presence in there spirit. But none of them has Oden's haki.

When Zoro scarred Kaido, Kaido never mentioned the sword or Oden. Funny that continues to be omitted.

The rest I have already explained in my previous post.

So in the scabbards' spirit, Kaidou saw Oden's visage? " i remember" so Kaidou was just remembering Oden since the scabbards are his disciple and wanna continue his struggle etc? No surprise there. Zoro has no place in that past. Kaidou literally recognize Enma's power more than Zoro, BM also recognize Enma's power more than Zoro's power, and visage (remember Oden's face from his disciple) is so different from recognizing presence and powerlevel from the object instead of combatant.

Zoro's own worth was just recognized by Kaidou after he awakened CoC just like Luffy in Udon, thats why Zoro using full power finally contributed to do something to Kaidou. Before that, it's all Enma's powerlevel being recognized, specifically different from Zoro. So yeah either you wanna say Oden and all his swords and techniques etc lives inside Enma, or it's Oden's haki being stored. It has no relation to Kaidou remembering Oden's face from the Scabbards' struggle to inherit Oden's will.

 

[CbShadow]

So in the scabbards' spirit, Kaidou saw Oden's visage? " i remember" so Kaidou was just remembering Oden since the scabbards are his disciple and wanna continue his struggle etc? No surprise there. Zoro has no place in that past. Kaidou literally recognize Enma's power more than Zoro, BM also recognize Enma's power more than Zoro's power, and visage (remember Oden's face from his disciple) is so different from recognizing presence and powerlevel from the object instead of combatant.

Zoro's own worth was just recognized by Kaidou after he awakened CoC just like Luffy in Udon, thats why Zoro using full power finally contributed to do something to Kaidou. Before that, it's all Enma's powerlevel being recognized, specifically different from Zoro. So yeah either you wanna say Oden and all his swords and techniques etc lives inside Enma, or it's Oden's haki being stored. It has no relation to Kaidou remembering Oden's face from the Scabbards' struggle to inherit Oden's will.

Everything you said in this post I have already countered once if not multiple times. At this point you're just repeating what has already been said before. I will post all of my previous posts at the very end of this post so you can see for yourself all of the facts supporting how enma works and the reason Zoro cut Kaido. Which is, Zoro cut Kaido with his own haki.

The blacksmith explained to us how enma works. He stated enma forces out more of the users haki. He never said anything about enma storing previous users haki or power or given the user more power. He's the best source of information for enma since he has had the sword for years, he knows the history of the sword in the how it works, and creates dangerous swords for a living. Neither Kaido nor Big Mom are blacksmith.

Big Mom never said anything about sensing a power source from enma and recognize it greater than Zoro. She just stated it's not an ordinary sword. Which is true. Enma forces out more of the users haki. We've never seen that amount of haki gather around a sword ever in one piece.

Kaido didn't say anything about enma power. He just said he sense Oden's presence in the sword and later he said he sense a strange haki from the sword. Since Kaido is familiar with Oden then the strange haki he sense is Zoro's because he's not familiar with Zoro's haki. Presence doesn't equal to haki.

So all this talk about Emma doing all the work, it being enma or Oden's power only exist in your head.

Here we go again. Let's have some fun.

Enma doesn't store haki. It forces out more haki than the current user wishes to release if they can't control it.

Usopp won't Scar Kaido with enma. If the Scabbards can't control enma than a none swordsman like Usopp can't. Swinging a sword doesn't equal to controlling a sword.

When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't scar or even cut Kaido. He only bruised him. If enma was the reason Zoro scarred Kaido than each one of his attacks would have scarred Kaido. Especially, since you believe Usopp, a none swordsman, can scarred Kaido with enma. It's almost like Oda added that scene to shut up anybody who wants to claim enma does the work, not the user.

The strange haki Kaido feels is Zoro's haki. Kaido is familiar with Oden and his haki so he knows how it feels. He is unfamiliar with Zoro's haki because he has never faced Zoro before so Zoro's haki would feel strange to him.

When Zoro scarred Kaido he never mentioned Oden or Oden's haki. He only mentioned Zoro's haki (CoC) and gave credit to Zoro, not enma or Oden.

Zoro didn't know what Luffy was training in. They didn't train together so the first time he saw Luffy use his new power was against Kaido.

That was just his reaction to seeing Luffy's new power for the first time.

As we can see, Zoro didn't know what Luffy training. Which was different than Kid who didn't know the type of haki Luffy learned or the fact it can be used with physical attacks.

Go ahead and hold this, you deserve it.
:holdthisl:

Enma doesn't contain Oden's haki. It doesn't store anyone's haki. The only haki enma has is from the user currently using enma if they wishes to use haki at that time or they can't control enma and it forcibly releases haki from the user.

Presence does not equal to haki. When Kaido talks about the haki in enma he calls it strange and you seem to ignore that and the information about enma provided to us by the blacksmith.

My previous post explains everything.

Enma doesn't boost anything. It uses Zoro's haki. The difference between those things is the amount of haki Zorp is releasing. I have perfectly explained that. The fact Zoro was able to take his haki back proves he can control large amounts of haki.

My previous post explains everything proves anybody claiming it's the sword that's doing the work or Oden haki is posting BS.


You deserve one of these too.
:holdthisl:

Need a Big Mom said Oden's haki was inside enma. Even if they did they would be wrong. They're not blacksmiths, they are Yonko. Being a Yonko doesn't mean you have full knowledge but how every single thing works in One Piece.

Here.

Another one
:holdthisl:

BM never credited the sword. She just stated it's not an ordinary sword and we know that. It's a sword that forces the user to release more haki then he wishes if he can't control it.

Kaido stated he feels Oden's presence.

Presence doesn't equal to haki.

Kaido told the Scabbards he saw Oden or his presence in there spirit. But none of them has Oden's haki.

When Zoro scarred Kaido, Kaido never mentioned the sword or Oden. Funny that continues to be omitted.

The rest I have already explained in my previous post.

Why is that you and others continue to ignore manga facts when it comes to enma and cutting Kaido. Everything you stated in your post is wrong. It has been countered numerous times in this thread and other threads.

Enma doesn't give the user the ability to cut Kaido. Zoro cut Kaido with 3 or 9 swords not one. Oden cut Kaido with 2 swords. The Scabbards cut Kaido without enma.

I have explained everything about enma, Big Mom, and Kaido in the my post.

I guess these pages don't exist.

Those attacks are Oden 2 sword style attack. Oden uses 2 swords with paradise and cut Kaido with 2 swords, one sword being enma. While the Scabbards used to swords with paradise and cut Kaido with 2 sword. None of their swords were enma.

The scene that stated only enma has cut Kaido was a mistranslation. You don't have to be true because Oden cut Kaido with both of his swords.

Just because Kaido endured torture doesn't mean he wasn't hurt.

We are accepting facts. You're the one who can't accept facts.