Powers & Abilities The only reason why Zoro cut Kaidou

#21
is because of oden's haki inside of enma, that kaidou noticed. zoro doesn't have advanced haki based on his reaction to luffy using it and kaidou comment on that strange haki and noticing enma sword.


give enma to usopp and even he can scar kaidou
People still believe the fake news that he was using Oden's haki? Lol
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You do get it. I'm not disagreeing Enma has Oden's haki, since it makes no sense to disagree to in-panel manga statements. I'm denying stealthblack's post that said Zoro makes no contribution in scarring Kaidou, as he did made some contribution.
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Kaidou wondered that the scabbard didn't have Oden's haki but they could they scar him. Kaidou said there was Oden's presence in that sword. Different statements.
Nowhere in the manga does it say Oden's haki is coming from Enma. It's just something people misread and trolled with until some people actually thought the panel said that.
 
#23
I don't agree with dis stealthblacka..
the reason being 1) zoro uses his own haki
2)ussop is honestly not worthy enough for enma
3) it does seem Oden scarred kaido with Acoc.. if that is true and the black lightning streaks isn't a necessity then anyone without Acoc cannot scar kaido..
4) people who potentially can.. would be Vista snd Mihawk...if their Acoa is some of the best in existence.. or having Acoc​
 
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stealthblack

#25
Can you explain the reason why Kidd and Law could hurt Kaido without even using basic haki?
basic haki is also invisible. they didn't scar kaidou, even luffy in act wano was able to ''hurt'' kaidou, we talking about real damage here. ALL SCABBARDS PIERCED AND HURT KAIDOU

law has his wierd fruit that was even able to bypass vergo's full body haki, worth 5 billion, so normal rules don't apply to him.


so you can do superficial wounds like scabbards, eustass, law that kaidou could heal, it's only advanced coc that that does scars
 
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Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#28
basic haki is also invisible. they didn't scar kaidou, even luffy in act wano was able to ''hurt'' kaidou, we talking about real damage here.

law has his wierd fruit that was even able to bypass vergo's full body haki, worth 5 billion, so normal rules don't apply to him.
Law hurt Kaido with rocks and Kidd with a slam. Explain that.

that assuming that they weren't... which is unlikely
Kids slammed Kaido to the ground and it hurt him. Law was levitating rocks. How does COA affect that?
 
#29
Law hurt Kaido with rocks and Kidd with a slam. Explain that.



Kids slammed Kaido to the ground and it hurt him. Law was levitating rocks. How does COA affect that?
.. pointy rocks hurt
lmao jk... Franky's suplex hurts Sasaki even tho he's some of the toughest in Tobi roppo... plus that DF form kaido..

his base even Punk rotten couldn't do shit to it let alone law's pointy rocks or gear 4
 
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stealthblack

#30
Law hurt Kaido with rocks and Kidd with a slam. Explain that.



Kids slammed Kaido to the ground and it hurt him. Law was levitating rocks. How does COA affect that?
you can do superficial wounds that kaidou can heal, only advanced coc can do scars. have you seen scabbards battle?
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#34
Enma the training tool?

Zoro whilst attempting to tame Enma said: "Give it back to me" obviously referring to his general energy and also haki after his arm had shrunk in size. However I believe it's extensively unlikely that Enma is capable to permanently store these even if the user wished to, and eventually the energy would be converted to another form, and regardless Oden's arms were normal before he died.

Kaido talks about presence, not even haki, and swords are living objects canonically, eventually Enma simply stored his memories, but that has to be proven later on.

Also I believe that the black blade is decidedly not about storing haki in the sword, but eventually render it particularly hard without storing it, since Zoro failed to cut up Monet.
 
#39
is because of oden's haki inside of enma, that kaidou noticed. zoro doesn't have advanced haki based on his reaction to luffy using it and kaidou comment on that strange haki and noticing enma sword.


give enma to usopp and even he can scar kaidou
Here we go again. Let's have some fun.

Enma doesn't store haki. It forces out more haki than the current user wishes to release if they can't control it.


Usopp won't Scar Kaido with enma. If the Scabbards can't control enma than a none swordsman like Usopp can't. Swinging a sword doesn't equal to controlling a sword.

When Zoro first attacked Kaido he didn't scar or even cut Kaido. He only bruised him. If enma was the reason Zoro scarred Kaido than each one of his attacks would have scarred Kaido. Especially, since you believe Usopp, a none swordsman, can scarred Kaido with enma. It's almost like Oda added that scene to shut up anybody who wants to claim enma does the work, not the user.

The strange haki Kaido feels is Zoro's haki. Kaido is familiar with Oden and his haki so he knows how it feels. He is unfamiliar with Zoro's haki because he has never faced Zoro before so Zoro's haki would feel strange to him.


When Zoro scarred Kaido he never mentioned Oden or Oden's haki. He only mentioned Zoro's haki (CoC) and gave credit to Zoro, not enma or Oden.


Zoro didn't know what Luffy was training in. They didn't train together so the first time he saw Luffy use his new power was against Kaido.



That was just his reaction to seeing Luffy's new power for the first time.

As we can see, Zoro didn't know what Luffy training. Which was different than Kid who didn't know the type of haki Luffy learned or the fact it can be used with physical attacks.

Go ahead and hold this, you deserve it.
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