Future Events The only way Sanji doesn’t fight King is....
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Tbh, I just try and look at patterns. Like, I totally get where a huge chunk of the Zoro fanbase is coming from. You have Zoro with Luffy on the roof, its an irrefutable fact now that he's there because Oda wants him to be. And I definitely get all the strong feelings that are coming from that about Zoro, but I think there's also a reality check to what truly might happen in the next 5/10/15 chapters: That is that Luffy is normally deemed and warranted his own personal victory.
More than any character in this story, and rightfully so, Oda maintains the focus of the main character to satisfy his own battles and achievements. This isn't like the oars battle because they didn't defeat oars to achieve a signficant milestone, Oda drew the fight with Oars to show what the strawhat crew could do before he destroyed them for 2 years.
Luffy by the end of the arc is either going to achieve Yonko status or entirely demolish the definition of what it means to be a Yonko. Unfortunately, this really has nothing to do with Zoro and his goals.
And here's the thing, I totally get why he's on the roof, but imo Oda has him there to draw the direct Oden parallel with Enma and that's honestly it. Once Kaido acknowledges his feat, he's not needed anymore to fight Kaido
Whether or not that turns into Zoro vs King is irrelevant, I just don't see Zoro overtaking or overshadowing the bulk of a predetermined match between Luffy and Kaido. Its been set up since Punk Hazard. This was a discussion with Law, not with Zoro.
And honestly I think the biggest tell is just how "perfect" the matchups seem to be lining up. 6 strawhats are currently fighting 5 of 6 Tobi Roppo. Not one Supernova, scabbard or side character is taking those fights. They are entirely Strawhats monopolized. Funny enough Chopper and Drake are together as the last non-monsrer trio strawhat dealing with a virus that makes you attack your allies with the last (former) Tobi Roppo, but i wont get too deep into that theory.
Finally you have not only Luffy, Zoro and Sanji, but Yamato available for subsequent fights against Kaido, King, Queen and Jack. It almost fits too perfectly with Luffys crew, which funny enough actually has me a bit skeptical anyhow. The pure fact that the Strawhats have essentially taken over nearly every beast pirate fight, all while Marco is seemingly being used to simply hold off two calamities, is pretty telling to me that those calamities are geared towards Strawhat battles.
People here question what Marco would do if he doesn't fight King, because technically the new generation is supposed to take out the old. However, if people actually read 1003, it also mentions the new generation (which only showed Luffys crew and Yamato funny enough) has to defeat the Executives (i.e. Calamities and Tobi Roppo) in order to win. So really, Marco being in either location is contradictory to what Oda is setting up.
If you believe these things, it becomes a bit easier to understand why Zoro vs King is possible. People here also like to confuse me saying this as 100% fact for some reason too. I've only said it's possible and it brings the guard dogs out smh
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It's sort of both. As a Zoro fan, i just want him to receive the same growth merits as Luffy has. "Yonko" really hasn't ever been Zoro's goal, outside of him stating he wants to "cut Kaido" this arc (which was never brought up prior). Its not like Luffy and him are going to double team Blackbeard or Shanks, this is why Shiryu and Mihawk exist (allegedy). This is why I think King is here too.
Only time will tell at this point. We have to see how the rooftop fight plays out before making any more guesses.
More than any character in this story, and rightfully so, Oda maintains the focus of the main character to satisfy his own battles and achievements. This isn't like the oars battle because they didn't defeat oars to achieve a signficant milestone, Oda drew the fight with Oars to show what the strawhat crew could do before he destroyed them for 2 years.
Luffy by the end of the arc is either going to achieve Yonko status or entirely demolish the definition of what it means to be a Yonko. Unfortunately, this really has nothing to do with Zoro and his goals.
And here's the thing, I totally get why he's on the roof, but imo Oda has him there to draw the direct Oden parallel with Enma and that's honestly it. Once Kaido acknowledges his feat, he's not needed anymore to fight Kaido
Whether or not that turns into Zoro vs King is irrelevant, I just don't see Zoro overtaking or overshadowing the bulk of a predetermined match between Luffy and Kaido. Its been set up since Punk Hazard. This was a discussion with Law, not with Zoro.
And honestly I think the biggest tell is just how "perfect" the matchups seem to be lining up. 6 strawhats are currently fighting 5 of 6 Tobi Roppo. Not one Supernova, scabbard or side character is taking those fights. They are entirely Strawhats monopolized. Funny enough Chopper and Drake are together as the last non-monsrer trio strawhat dealing with a virus that makes you attack your allies with the last (former) Tobi Roppo, but i wont get too deep into that theory.
Finally you have not only Luffy, Zoro and Sanji, but Yamato available for subsequent fights against Kaido, King, Queen and Jack. It almost fits too perfectly with Luffys crew, which funny enough actually has me a bit skeptical anyhow. The pure fact that the Strawhats have essentially taken over nearly every beast pirate fight, all while Marco is seemingly being used to simply hold off two calamities, is pretty telling to me that those calamities are geared towards Strawhat battles.
People here question what Marco would do if he doesn't fight King, because technically the new generation is supposed to take out the old. However, if people actually read 1003, it also mentions the new generation (which only showed Luffys crew and Yamato funny enough) has to defeat the Executives (i.e. Calamities and Tobi Roppo) in order to win. So really, Marco being in either location is contradictory to what Oda is setting up.
If you believe these things, it becomes a bit easier to understand why Zoro vs King is possible. People here also like to confuse me saying this as 100% fact for some reason too. I've only said it's possible and it brings the guard dogs out smh
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It's sort of both. As a Zoro fan, i just want him to receive the same growth merits as Luffy has. "Yonko" really hasn't ever been Zoro's goal, outside of him stating he wants to "cut Kaido" this arc (which was never brought up prior). Its not like Luffy and him are going to double team Blackbeard or Shanks, this is why Shiryu and Mihawk exist (allegedy). This is why I think King is here too.
Only time will tell at this point. We have to see how the rooftop fight plays out before making any more guesses.
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If nothing else, the thread supports the idea of Zoro fighting and defeating King and Kaido.
Zoro has a huge connection to Wano and Oda has hinted at Zoro having more and deeper connections to Wano. Kaido is the biggest threat to Wano.
Zoro is not leaving Wano without defeating Kaido or playing a major role in his defeat.
Regardless of what people want to believe, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks and Yonko level. The same Shanks that stopped Kaido from reaching WB. Zoro defeating Kaido or playing a major role in his defeat will help him prepare for his battle against Mihawk.
Zoro has a huge connection to Wano and Oda has hinted at Zoro having more and deeper connections to Wano. Kaido is the biggest threat to Wano.
Zoro is not leaving Wano without defeating Kaido or playing a major role in his defeat.
Regardless of what people want to believe, Mihawk is stronger than Shanks and Yonko level. The same Shanks that stopped Kaido from reaching WB. Zoro defeating Kaido or playing a major role in his defeat will help him prepare for his battle against Mihawk.
The way I see it, the only way Luffy can beat Kaido is if Zoro opens his scar again (his haki will grow but will prob use all it) and being able to cut anything is part of Zoro's goal so it actually aligns with his growth. Luffy will get the last attack and grow his haki also but he wouldn't win without Zoro.
As for the SH vs BP, it still works if your replace Brook with Jimbei and have him fight Queen, who knows.
As for the SH vs BP, it still works if your replace Brook with Jimbei and have him fight Queen, who knows.
No you dont know his past or who hes fought and beat
zoro as he is now has attacks that shit kaido and big mom up
zoro as he is this arc will open the scar on a HYBRID KAIDO
zoro is weaker than mihawk
i dont have to baby sit you to put 2 and 2 together on what that means for mihawk who is superior to zoro
zoro as he is now has attacks that shit kaido and big mom up
zoro as he is this arc will open the scar on a HYBRID KAIDO
zoro is weaker than mihawk
i dont have to baby sit you to put 2 and 2 together on what that means for mihawk who is superior to zoro
And there it is again. You act like pure offensive power is the only thing that matters which is the dumbest thing I’ve read.
1 attack that was easily dodged or just outright missed while simultaneously exhausting Zoro shouldn’t be bragged about because it did nothing.
Bound Man was stronger than Kata however, Kata won against boundman because he could dodge him easily. Same shit happening to Zoro.
And I just asked a simple question, who has Mihawk actually beaten in canon?
1 attack that was easily dodged or just outright missed while simultaneously exhausting Zoro shouldn’t be bragged about because it did nothing.
Bound Man was stronger than Kata however, Kata won against boundman because he could dodge him easily. Same shit happening to Zoro.
And I just asked a simple question, who has Mihawk actually beaten in canon?
You just said mihawk is weak compared to kaido
mihawk doesnt just have the ap hes better than zoro in every way so if they have to dodge zoro attacks they are dead to mihawks
and if thats the case its impossible for him to be weak compared to kaido which is what your negative iq ass said
not only is his ap is better than zoros which shit up both yonko
he better in every other stat
offensive power is why kaido 1 shot luffy
and why kata couldnt put him down after 100 plus hits
if kata had better offensive power he would have won
we wont know until we get his flashback
but what we do know is hes the strongest swordsman in the world so above the swordsman in the groups of yonko or admirals
mihawk doesnt just have the ap hes better than zoro in every way so if they have to dodge zoro attacks they are dead to mihawks
and if thats the case its impossible for him to be weak compared to kaido which is what your negative iq ass said
not only is his ap is better than zoros which shit up both yonko
he better in every other stat
offensive power is why kaido 1 shot luffy
and why kata couldnt put him down after 100 plus hits
if kata had better offensive power he would have won
we wont know until we get his flashback
but what we do know is hes the strongest swordsman in the world so above the swordsman in the groups of yonko or admirals
Another perfect example to prove my point I made in another post. Which is, some people don't have a problem with facts, hype and character portrayal as long as they can apply that to only certain characters.
IE:
Katakuri was said to be unbeatable and people went crazy. Even now some believe he still one of the top YC. It doesn't matter to them that he never fought or beat another YC.
Marco had an even clash with Big Mom, who acknowledge she didn't have no power to defeat him and still be relevant in the war.
Some of the same people I spoke about now ignores manga facts. They claim Marco possess weak AP. Big Mom could have easily beat him if she wanted to but she was busy.
They claim that clash doesn't accurate represent Big Mom's true power.
Oda provides is with the follow facts.
Mihawk called Shanks a "one arm has been" which implies Mihawk has knowledge of Shanks' current skill and strength.
Once again some of those same people will claim the following:
- Mihawk is not stronger than Shanks
- his WSS title doesn't mean anything
- he couldn't beat Vista, even though Vista couldn't even hit him while he wasn't focused on him.
- they want us to name a strong person he has beat.
- it doesn't matter to them if Oda has more time to develop Mihawk and give us some insight on how he became the WSS
People need to relax. The manga is not over so try enjoying it. At the end of the day facts are facts.
Zoro wants to be the WSS and any battle that makes him stronger will bring him one step closer to reaching his goal.
IE:
Katakuri was said to be unbeatable and people went crazy. Even now some believe he still one of the top YC. It doesn't matter to them that he never fought or beat another YC.
Marco had an even clash with Big Mom, who acknowledge she didn't have no power to defeat him and still be relevant in the war.
Some of the same people I spoke about now ignores manga facts. They claim Marco possess weak AP. Big Mom could have easily beat him if she wanted to but she was busy.
They claim that clash doesn't accurate represent Big Mom's true power.
Oda provides is with the follow facts.
Mihawk called Shanks a "one arm has been" which implies Mihawk has knowledge of Shanks' current skill and strength.
Once again some of those same people will claim the following:
- Mihawk is not stronger than Shanks
- his WSS title doesn't mean anything
- he couldn't beat Vista, even though Vista couldn't even hit him while he wasn't focused on him.
- they want us to name a strong person he has beat.
- it doesn't matter to them if Oda has more time to develop Mihawk and give us some insight on how he became the WSS
People need to relax. The manga is not over so try enjoying it. At the end of the day facts are facts.
Zoro wants to be the WSS and any battle that makes him stronger will bring him one step closer to reaching his goal.
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Regardless of what happens with Zoro and Kaido and King, the end of this arc is going to spark some really interesting conversations. Like it'll be really interesting to see who's right and wrong about Oda's plans for Zoro here and what constitutes as growth for the character.
I say this entirely in a non-biased fashion. It's just going to be some good discussion about expectations moving forward
I say this entirely in a non-biased fashion. It's just going to be some good discussion about expectations moving forward
Check out this thread down here.:cheers:
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...-and-fight-king-and-queen.11898/#post-1181652