Questions & Mysteries The Other Serpent/Dragon

Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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I think we have three of the four main characters of the mural shown. The winged demon with sun/fire in their hand shown on the left is probably Imu (the silhouette against Sabo doesnt add up though). Then we have Nika/JB fighting this winged demon which is Luffy. And now we have the black dragon in the center protecting the tree? to be Loki. So this leaves the big serpent/dragon on the right that is fighting Loki.

Going by how the other three are DF wielders the last one is also probably a DF wielder. Now the question is who they might be and why are the shown fighting Loki/the black western dragon? Are they a character who has already been introduced or is it gonna be someone new? How does BB figure into all this?

There are some options that come to my mind right now
1. It is Dragon (he has a mythical zoan?) - but this doesnt explain him fighting Loki
2. It is Momonuske (an eastern vs western dragon depiction and Kaido is dead)
3. It is the 2nd fruti that Rocks was looking for
4. It is the 3rd DF that BB will eat (a mythical zoan, maybe BB gets Kaidos DF)
5. It is the DF of the man with the burn scar

What do you guys think?
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Welkin

Welkin

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Isn't there still a chance that instead of a fruit it's stuck inside or straight up is the Red Line?

We know for a fact that the Red Line existed during the Void Century but we don't know if it was a thing in the First World

The Serpent could've been an actual animal/monster/deity/whatever that became the Red Line

But I'll also acknowledge that with the pattern of all the creatures so far being devil fruit wielders it's highly likely that it's turned into a devil fruit power

But then now that I think about it both things could coexist, no? The Red Line that we see now is the actual Red Serpent's corpse and a devil fruit spawned that inherited the name of the Serpent
 
Blazing Lion

Blazing Lion

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Welkin said:
Isn't there still a chance that instead of a fruit it's stuck inside or straight up is the Red Line?

We know for a fact that the Red Line existed during the Void Century but we don't know if it was a thing in the First World

The Serpent could've been an actual animal/monster/deity/whatever that became the Red Line

But I'll also acknowledge that with the pattern of all the creatures so far being devil fruit wielders it's highly likely that it's turned into a devil fruit power

But then now that I think about it both things could coexist, no? The Red Line that we see now is the actual Red Serpent's corpse and a devil fruit spawned that inherited the name of the Serpent
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But Red Line being a serpent that is fighting Loki in Flamethrower battle doesnt make much sense. And while size isnt the most consistent thing in OP the serpent is not huge enough in comparison to other things on the mural to be big enough for the red line.
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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Hell serpent is either BB's DF if BB is earth god or a comrade of earth god who will fight loki at eos. Imo the user of Loki's dragon DF lost to hell serpent in first world. Loki the current user will win against the hell serpent.

The devil being on left side of the mural is Imu who is sea god most likely.

It is also possible the devil being on left is earth god and it was imu's predecessor.

In short devil being - Imu most likely or imu's predecessor.

Earth god is either imu's predecessor like nika was to joyboy or completely different being linked to BB.

Hell serpent works for earth god and is rival of the dragon beast which works for sun god.
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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Sun God have Massive Beast,
Earth God have Serpent of Hellfire,
It's safe to assume that Third Creature is another God's Monster,

If We check Harley, We find there are Three Gods of Destruction:

First World ---> Earth God Raged
Second World ---> Sea God Stormed
Third World ---> Sun God guides World to it's End

We also notice that when Earth God is mentioned, Text started with "Within Earth",
Referring to a Location and Earth God being it's Ruler,

This means that "Within Void" refers to Location where Sea God is it's God, and that's Ryugu Kingdom,
While "Within Chaos" refers to Location where Sun God is it's God, and that's Elbaph Kingdom,
And "Within Earth, there was Fire" suggests that it refers to Mary Geoise Kingdom, making Imu our Earth God,

In Conclusion:

World 1 = Mary Geoise (Representative of Heaven World) ---> Imu is it's God ---> His Monster is Serpent of Hellfire
World 2 = Fish-Men Island (Representative of Underworld) ---> Sea God (Unknown) ---> His Monster is that Demon
World 3 = Elbaph (Representative of Sun World) ---> Luffy is it's God ---> His Monster is Black Dragon
Loki also calls himself Sun God, so it's safe to assume that Serpent of Hellfire is also an Earth God, and that Demon is also a Sea God,
Which adds up, as Harley Text right before it talks about Sea God Storming, it said "Man Killed Sun & became God" (And that Demon is indeed holding Sun in Mural, which was said to have been touched/stolen from First World which is Mary Geoise)

That Demon Monster will emerge from Fish-Men Island (World 2) and it was indeed Prophesized that it's gonna be Attacked by someone wearing Straw Hat, which matches Harley, as whoever attacked Mary Geoise & stole it's Sun gonna pay Fish-Men Island Next, (Apparently after taking Imu's Straw Hat), and that's where He turns into that Demon,

Is there a Treasure in Fish-Men Island that can make someone that Powerful? Yes, it's Energy Steroids.
According to Legend, Tamatebako Box holds Lifespan of Someone Immortal, and is there such Person We heard of who is related to Sea God?
Yes in same Arc, Oda mentioned that Sea God cursed Vander Decken The First with Eternal Life, which adds up to everything I explained so far,

Vander Decken's Story is similar to Loki's, as both were accused of extreme Crimes & were seen as Biggest Villains of their Kingdom,
So it's safe to assume that Mary Geoise Serpent of Hellfire is also gonna be it's Villain, and that sounds like Davy Jones tbh,

In other words:

Serpent of Hellfire is New Davy Jones (Blackbeard?)
Demon Monster is New Vander Decken (Man With Burn Scar?)
Black Dragon is Loki (Regardless of who is his Ancient Version)
 
nik87

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
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I think it is Awakened Azure Dragon so it is Momonosuke and it is a reason why Kaido wasnt awakened.
It is also possible that it could be BBs 3rd DF which we havent seen se far but if 3 figures are heavily tied to the biggest war, the last one also is tied to it so Momonosuke is more fitting.
 
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OykotsTreasure

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Whichever of the Four Gods is left, my money's on Blackbeard getting that one. I just feel like Blackbeard's going to be a big player in the finale. If his Darkness Fruit isn't already a secret God Fruit. Which I think is the most likely case, given Blackbeard's parallels with Luffy.



What I find interesting is, this could mean that all Four Gods have Dragon forms.

If Loki has a God Fruit, we've already seen his Dragon form.He's the clearest case. We just can't say for certain that Loki's Fruit is a God Fruit for sure, yet.

Back when Imu was fighting Sabo and Cobra in the Empty Throneroom, we saw Imu change into some sort of "Dragon-like" form.

The Hellflame Serpent that seems to be associated with the Earth God seems pretty dragon-like.

Which means...Luffy may also have a "Dragon-like" form, that we haven't seen yet. Remember, Luffy doesn't even know he has the Nika Fruit. And with Luffy's power of Imagination...he probably CAN transform himself into a Dragon, if he wanted to. Just like how he can transform himself into a Giant. Maybe this is how Luffy can still get a power-up? Gear 5 could be the final power-up in the manga, but Luffy hasn't found the right alternate form to transform into yet to maximize it's potential. Luffy's still gotta transform into a Dragon!



So, there's a pretty decent chance that all of the Four Gods are actually Dragons. I guess that would mean Kaido and Momo are just "common" Dragons instead of "God" Dragons, in that case? I'm not sure if that means anything for them or not. But, I just find it interesting that this is possible.

Mark my words...The Dragons are coming! Even moreso than they already are!
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Djordje

Djordje

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nik87 said:
I think it is Awakened Azure Dragon so it is Momonosuke and it is a reason why Kaido wasnt awakened.
It is also possible that it could be BBs 3rd DF which we havent seen se far but if 3 figures are heavily tied to the biggest war, the last one also is tied to it so Momonosuke is more fitting.
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Awakening does not increase size of zoans we saw that with Lucci and Kaku. So Momonosuke is too small to be that dragon which dwarfs even Loki zoan form on mural.
 
nik87

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
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Djordje said:
Awakening does not increase size of zoans we saw that with Lucci and Kaku. So Momonosuke is too small to be that dragon which dwarfs even Loki zoan form on mural.
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Right but...
...we saw what fire-bending did regarding size during Blazing Bagua.
A relatively small dragon Kaido became many times bigger.
What if Hellfire Serpent is Awakened version of Blazing Bagua?
 
Djordje

Djordje

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Loki D. Terror said:
Hell serpent is either BB's DF if BB is earth god or a comrade of earth god who will fight loki at eos. Imo the user of Loki's dragon DF lost to hell serpent in first world. Loki the current user will win against the hell serpent.

The devil being on left side of the mural is Imu who is sea god most likely.

It is also possible the devil being on left is earth god and it was imu's predecessor.

In short devil being - Imu most likely or imu's predecessor.

Earth god is either imu's predecessor like nika was to joyboy or completely different being linked to BB.

Hell serpent works for earth god and is rival of the dragon beast which works for sun god.
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How many gods are there
 
Shiroyru

Shiroyru

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soupongo said:
Given the fact that Oda draws Ju peter with white hair now, you probably can´t be a Gorosei without being old. Even Garling was just able to make it in, and he´s probably like 60s/70s
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How would Shamrock even get his hands on the Hellfire Serpent Fruit though? It’d be kinda dumb if the explanation is just that the WG found it on some random island some time in the past 30 years
 
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