Powers & Abilities The pinnacle of Mihawk’s swordsmanship

#1
The phrase “Pinnacle of Swordsmanship” has been used by Koshiro, Zoro’s master, to describe the ability of a swordsman to make his sword cut what they want to cut and not cut what they don’t want to cut. In Wano we learn Koshiro is a Wano descendant and this ability in Wano is actually an advanced application of armament haki.

What’s interesting is that Mihawk, the World’s strongest swordsman, has NEVER mentioned this ability, despite its seeming importance to “swordsmanship” in general. What Mihawk’s talked about is preventing your sword from getting chipped by making it Black.

It raises the question, has Mihawk reached this “Pinnacle of swordsmanship” himself and does Mihawk not agree that this is the “pinnacle of Swordsmanship” to begin with?

There is nothing to suggest the beliefs of Wano Samurai are the universal truths of the OP world. Wano samurai don’t even have a word for Conquerors Haki. They just call it a “technique” in the most vaguest words.

Mihawk has actually traveled around the world and he is yet to also confirm this “pinnacle of swordsmanship” is true. In fact Mihawk has yet to confirm any ceiling of any kind to swordsmanship. Mihawk has never even said Black blades are the pinnacle of swordsmanship. He just says it would be embarrassing not to have a black blade.

Actually no, Mihawk does give a limit to swordsmanship, himself. He says he’s the highest swordsmanship goes in the world and says his Sword is the strongest in the world.

But outside of Mihawk boasting, we have yet to apparently hear or see the “pinnacle of Mihawk’s swordsmanship” at all. If Oda is smart, he should probably make this something we’ve at least sort of seen before in the world and not some random new ability introduced at the last possible second.


Maybe Mihawk’s pinnacle has something to do with the random elemental sword styles people sporadically do. Or it’s something to do with AdvCoC, you know, since it’s just AdvCoA+. Or it’s to do with the vague spirit abilities like Ashura.

Or there is actually no universal pinnacle at all since swordsmanship is a fighting style and it’s only measured how good a swordsman is based on whether he wins the fight. Hence Mihawk being able to simply win is what dictates that he’s the “pinnacle of swordsmanship” himself.
 
#6
They're both correct.

Pinnacle is being able to cut and not to cut what a swordsman wills to.

Zoro already reached the other one back in alabasta. The technique not to cut. He also displayed this technique against the Snow Harpy and possibly when he rescued Bonney from the water.

What Zoro hasn't reached is the ability to cut anything he wants which can only be achieved through strength. The Black Blade is the pinnacle of this.
 

Zolo

Cope Doctor
#7
They're both correct.

Pinnacle is being able to cut and not to cut what a swordsman wills to.

Zoro already reached the other one back in alabasta. The technique not to cut. He also displayed this technique against the Snow Harpy and possibly when he rescued Bonney from the water.

What Zoro hasn't reached is the ability to cut anything he wants which can only be achieved through strength. The Black Blade is the pinnacle of this.
He cant even cut a human skin . Theres still too much for him to learn
 
#11
At this time Oda hasn't revealed much about Mihawk's past or power. Other than knowing that Mihawk has the perfect balance of gentle blade and mighty blade style we really don't know much about his swordsmanship. Mihawk not mentioning the Pinnacle of swordsmanship doesn't mean much at this time. Zoro's training flashback was only focus on learning blackened haki.

Mihawk's pinnacle is probably some sort of sword skill, as that's what he's renowned for, I doubt it'll be haki related.
Sword skill includes haki. I never understood why some fans think sword skill doesn't include haki after everything we learned about haki in Wano. Believing haki is not part of sword skill is like believing footwork is not is not part of sword skill just because other fighting styles uses footwork.

Hold this
:holdthisl:

And before you try to claim I'm wrong check out @Gari thread. He proved it with manga facts.

"Mihawk has greater sword skills than Shanks but Shanks has stronger haki" :kobeha:

"Shanks doesn't rely on some stupid sword skills but more on haki power." :kobeha:

"Mihawk>Shanks in skills which doesn't include haki" :kobeha:


"Mihawk's title is only about skills with the sword which doesn't include conqueror's haki" :suresure:


Too bad Kaido refers to Oden's attacks as "sword skills" in chapter 992. :gokulaugh:




The sword skills in question:


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He cant even cut a human skin . Theres still too much for him to learn
:crazwhat:

Mihawk easily cut Zoro with a pocket knife.


Then with his sword.


Mihawk easily cut Luffy's rubber body.


Mihawk easily cut Mr. 1's steel body.


Hold this.
:holdthisl:
 

Zolo

Cope Doctor
#12
At this time Oda hasn't revealed much about Mihawk's past or power. Other than knowing that Mihawk has the perfect balance of gentle blade and mighty blade style we really don't know much about his swordsmanship. Mihawk not mentioning the Pinnacle of swordsmanship doesn't mean much at this time. Zoro's training flashback was only focus on learning blackened haki.



Sword skill includes haki. I never understood why some fans think sword skill doesn't include haki after everything we learned about haki in Wano. Believing haki is not part of sword skill is like believing footwork is not is not part of sword skill just because other fighting styles uses footwork.

Hold this
:holdthisl:

And before you try to claim I'm wrong check out @Gari thread. He proved it with manga facts.







:crazwhat:

Mihawk easily cut Zoro with a pocket knife.


Then with his sword.


Mihawk easily cut Luffy's rubber body.


Mihawk easily cut Mr. 1's steel body.


Hold this.
:holdthisl:
I was talking about zoro
 
#15
Mihawk's pinnacle is probably some sort of sword skill, as that's what he's renowned for, I doubt it'll be haki related.
Like a technique? I mean sure but obviously haki will be involved since every technique only matters in as much as the technique helps you win the fight… And Haki is the supreme power in all combat in the OP world

So it highly unlikely mihawk has a technique that matters without him using haki too
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gentle blade and mighty blade style
@CbShadow these terms don’t exist in the manga…I don’t know where people got them from
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#17
Of course you cannot see the pinnacle of swordsmanship up to this point because Mihawk comes last.
You are seeing it through Zoro though as all of these abilities he has mastered so far, including acoc the ability of handful of very strongest, are just a warm-up for the actual pinnacle of Power that awaits us when it is time for Zoro vs Mihawk.

>vague spirit abilities like Asura... lol
There is nothing vague about it, it has been explained in detail.
It is a first-time manifestation of desire for Power, one of many human evolutions that all the DFs represent.
 
#19
Sure the question is, is making Yoru black the best thing Mihawk has ever done? Who’s to say he hasn’t done much harder things after making Yoru black? We don’t know what Mihawk considers “the pinnacle of swordsmanship”
Yoru has his own personality....

Yoru looks like the sword bm .
 
#20
Like a technique? I mean sure but obviously haki will be involved since every technique only matters in as much as the technique helps you win the fight… And Haki is the supreme power in all combat in the OP world

So it highly unlikely mihawk has a technique that matters without him using haki too
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@CbShadow these terms don’t exist in the manga…I don’t know where people got them from
I had this same question about strong blade and gentle, the only thing I could find is that on the wiki for dracule Mihawk they reference one piece blue:grand data file as the source for strong blade and gentle blade. They also say chapter 467 page 3 After describing his Hanauta Sancho: Yahazu Giri as a Gentle Blade technique, Brook categorizes Zoro and Ryuma as Strong Blade swordsmen.
 
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