Powers & Abilities The Power to Observe
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By being unable to tell what your panels do about one's CoO in 1vs1.
Last time I checked, the peak of CoO isnt sensing animals.
But you do you.
Last time I checked, the peak of CoO isnt sensing animals.
But you do you.
You know what we do have? On panel instances of Mihawk failing to perform one of the most basic CoO feats.
There is nothing for me to argue against here, when you don't have anything to substantiate your beliefs. I'm the one bringing the panels to suggest Mihawks CoO, isn't all the great. You need to provide evidence to the contrary, and sadly for you, that doesn't currently exist.
You present no arguments, and just sling words like "coping" around with no context. Like who the hell is coping over another person's head cannon? Lmfao...
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Guess why? Because CoO doesnt work automatically unless you actively use it. Other than Zoro's sleep diff.
How do you manage to slap yourself in the face so easily and so fast?
Or you going to tell me that preskip Luffy was just so fast that Mihawk lost sight of him, and needed to use CoO to find him? Pick your poison.
And if that's the case I'm good taking that L..... :cheers:
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Posts a random panel of a close up of Mihawks face, and calls it CoO.... Literally countless panels like that in the manga. Everyone of them is CoO?
Or you going to tell me that preskip Luffy was just so fast that Mihawk lost sight of him, and needed to use CoO to find him? Pick your poison.
And if that's the case I'm good taking that L..... :cheers:
Or you going to tell me that preskip Luffy was just so fast that Mihawk lost sight of him, and needed to use CoO to find him? Pick your poison.
And if that's the case I'm good taking that L..... :cheers:
No no... You can't back out now. Luffy disappeared right in front of Mihawks face. So tell me, was preskip Luffy's movements just to fast for Mihawk that he needed to use CoO to find him? You can't dodge this one.... You posted the panel....
Tell me, where is Luffy? Would you like CoO to help your ass to find him or you can find him without it?
How do you manage to dig yourself deeper with every single reply?
Tell me, where is Luffy? Would you like CoO to help your ass to find him or you can find him without it?
How do you manage to dig yourself deeper with every single reply?
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B...But... Where's Luffy.... Surely not running directly towards Mihawk, who is staring right at him....
But... Where did Luffy go?
Let's all give a round of applause to @nik87 for handing out a massive L to Mihawk, by pointing out he needed to use CoO to keep track of preskip Luffy's movements... Bravo....
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Lmfao.... Now you want to edit out the panel of Mihawk standing there staring at the ground, with the blur lines and dust clouds in front of him.... What a clown...
B...But... Where's Luffy.... Surely not running directly towards Mihawk, who is staring right at him....
But... Where did Luffy go?
Let's all give a round of applause to @nik87 for handing out a massive L to Mihawk, by pointing out he needed to use CoO to keep track of preskip Luffy's movements... Bravo....
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B...But... Where's Luffy.... Surely not running directly towards Mihawk, who is staring right at him....
But... Where did Luffy go?
Let's all give a round of applause to @nik87 for handing out a massive L to Mihawk, by pointing out he needed to use CoO to keep track of preskip Luffy's movements... Bravo....
@Xione I never saw your opinion on Fuji's CoO, what's your take on this
@nik87 Fujitora's CoO is kinda a weird case in itself, from what we've seen it goes beyond reading intent/FS
Here Fujitora sheethes his sword in advance of the birdcage going off. There's obviously no intent here.
Here we have him correctly predicting where the Law Vs Doffy battle will take place while they were still mid sea
This isn't FS as the time span would be ridiculous, and he says here "I sense"
He won all these bets while still being oblivious that they're fooling him, but instead Luffy had to tell him meaning he's not using FS
His dice game was even lucky enough for him to spare the SHs for two days, and it hit "1" only when Tsuru threw it
An ambiguous ability to predict future events basically
What are your thoughts on this
Here Fujitora sheethes his sword in advance of the birdcage going off. There's obviously no intent here.
Here we have him correctly predicting where the Law Vs Doffy battle will take place while they were still mid sea
This isn't FS as the time span would be ridiculous, and he says here "I sense"
He won all these bets while still being oblivious that they're fooling him, but instead Luffy had to tell him meaning he's not using FS
His dice game was even lucky enough for him to spare the SHs for two days, and it hit "1" only when Tsuru threw it
An ambiguous ability to predict future events basically
What are your thoughts on this
The gambling scene could be luck, unless he was simply pretending to be dumb about it... but I doubt that. Luck has always been considered a big factor for somebody like Luffy, Roger and such. It wouldn't surprise me if this is Oda simply showcasing Fujitora's luck, similar to Zoro's & Luffy's at Loguetown.
The Ship thing could simply be Fujitora noticing certain movements of characters with his CoO range and just thinking how things would play out. Although.... I wouldn't be surprised if it's FS. But can also simply be playing into "Blind people have other heightened senses" type shit.
Birdcage seemed like FS.
As for my general take on Fuji, he has the best CoO. Haki improves by usage and pushing it's extent. In Fujitora we have a man who has Haki active 24/7 through CoO, as that's his way to see the people around him. For me, he's gonna be the CoO Goat. It's sort of the equivalent of somebody having no skin and always keeping Armament haki on to protect themselves. No other top tier is constantly using Haki like that.
The Ship thing could simply be Fujitora noticing certain movements of characters with his CoO range and just thinking how things would play out. Although.... I wouldn't be surprised if it's FS. But can also simply be playing into "Blind people have other heightened senses" type shit.
Birdcage seemed like FS.
As for my general take on Fuji, he has the best CoO. Haki improves by usage and pushing it's extent. In Fujitora we have a man who has Haki active 24/7 through CoO, as that's his way to see the people around him. For me, he's gonna be the CoO Goat. It's sort of the equivalent of somebody having no skin and always keeping Armament haki on to protect themselves. No other top tier is constantly using Haki like that.
I have always said this, the 3 types of haki have various specialties or functions, and each user can be better or worse in some aspects or know or be able to use them in certain ways. And that doesn't mean you have to have a better or worse level of haki, that's seen differently.
As clearer evidence in armor haki, we have that the VR knew how to use Ryou, while Zoro or other characters with a higher level of haki did not know how to use it.
And with Coo, Fujitora, has a higher level than Katakuri or Luffy, but has shown no signs of using future vision, or Zoro's various feats, which put him above Luffy.
Luffy uses internal destruction with COA, Zoro has greater power, greater defense and/or toughness, greater barrier power. Besides the fact that he has to constantly coat his swords, Luffy doesn't. And currently Zoro has one more improvement, Hell Fire
With Coo, Luffy has future vision, but Zoro has a better base level, he senses sneak attacks earlier, while sleeping, etc. As if he were on alert, in addition to better reflexes, especially at short range.
As clearer evidence in armor haki, we have that the VR knew how to use Ryou, while Zoro or other characters with a higher level of haki did not know how to use it.
And with Coo, Fujitora, has a higher level than Katakuri or Luffy, but has shown no signs of using future vision, or Zoro's various feats, which put him above Luffy.
Luffy uses internal destruction with COA, Zoro has greater power, greater defense and/or toughness, greater barrier power. Besides the fact that he has to constantly coat his swords, Luffy doesn't. And currently Zoro has one more improvement, Hell Fire
With Coo, Luffy has future vision, but Zoro has a better base level, he senses sneak attacks earlier, while sleeping, etc. As if he were on alert, in addition to better reflexes, especially at short range.
I wanted to do this for a long time, since around the end of Whole Cake Island when people considered Future Sight an unclimbable wall.
Today, we take a look at Color of Observation and who the best-known users of it are as well as what it takes to be good at Observation.
But first, let us break down what CoO is and what branches exist.
Observation Haki is, among other things, awareness of things before they happen. It represents the detection of intent and the unseen.
All of the branches are based on that definition. It is called Mantra in Skypiea which means Mind Rope. Basically a link to the enemy's mind.
If there is any credit to Shanks' movie feat, "observation killer", it is thanks to CoC barrier which severs that mind link and cancels CoO.
However, how that would prevent Future Sight is unclear and illogical but no need to worry about this until and if it gets shown in manga.
There is an additional ability that doesnt fit the definition above and it is to determine one's strength. This seems like a throwaway line.
There is absolutely no use for this and it's been brought up only two times - Mihawk notices WB's decline and Ray tells beasts are >Luffy.
As explained in Skypiea, all living beings carry a voice just by being alive. CoO is used to detect that voice/intent/aura.
It is a power to anticipate the opponent's next move aka read their mind, to sense what they intend to do next.
Also, it is a power to detect a voice or presence or aura of the opponent that the eyes can't directly see.
Reading of intent is closely tied to the detection of the feelings, such as Luffy sensing angry Ray or Sanji sensing women in trouble.
Through training, the power of Observation can turn into the power of seeing into the future a bit. Like watching a tape of what's next.
It is also an ability to detect the presence of non-living things that don't carry an intent.
So, with all of the branches summed up, we now turn towards the part that explains what it takes to be good at Observation.
Are those who can see the future automatically better than those who cant? No, it is not that simple. Future Sight is very flawed.
What determines a good Observer is the amount of time he spends using Observation haki during the battle.
Simply put, of the 100% duration of the battle, the percentage of CoO uptime determines whether one is good or bad at CoO.
For example, both Luffy and Katakuri can use the same ability - to look into the future. However, are they equally good at it? Of course not.
The reason why Katakuri is good at Observation is that he keeps it active almost all the time. Meanwhile, Luffy uses it every blue moon.
Is Luffy a better Observer than Fujitora who cant use future sight? No, for the same reason he is worse than Katakuri - the uptime.
To give you an example, let's say, Luffy and Fujitora clash 100 times.
Of those 100 times, Fujitora is using Observation in each clash, 100 times reading the intent of Luffy.
Meanwhile, Luffy looks into the future 10 times out of 100 clashes. He observed 10 times less than Fujitora and is clueless in 90 clashes.
Do you see why FS user is not better than those who cant look into the future?
B-but who is better between Fujitora and Katakuri?!
The easy advantage in favor of Fujitora from the Luffy match-up is gone, because Katakuri looks into future 100 times in 100 clashes.
Who is better now?! Well, I am going to tell you that Fujitora is still a better user of Observation than Katakuri. Let's see why...
As I mentioned, Future Sight is a very flawed ability and everyone has the power to oppose it.
Every intervention done based on future that FS user saw, instantly changes that future and all that FS user saw is no longer going to happen.
Thi is particularly problematic with attacks that have fast repetition as we saw Katakuri trying to dodge Snakeman's culverin that follows him.
The FS user constantly needs to re-see the new future because the old one he saw is no longer the one that will happen.
Every intervention carries intent that regular Observation detects and makes the observer aware what's coming even if it is from FS user.
FS also creates a problem because the user stops sensing due to watching something that hasnt yet happened and thus cant carry intent.
The tape FS users watch, has no explanation of the intent, that's why Katakuri doesnt know why Pudding falls on the ground.
That's why he is unaware of Flampe's presence and the intent that her needle carries.
Every attack Katakuri throws at Fujitora carries intent and is picked up, he cannot surprise him.
Once again, it was Luffy who made Katakuri look better than he actually is. It is Luffy who couldnt calm himself down to observe.
Now, most CoO cases are due to active focus, concentrating to detect/sense/watch/read what the opponent will do.
However, we have also seen a different case, passive detection of intent/presence while sleeping, performed by two bandana users.
#sleepdiff #bandanagang
Lastly, we come to the ranking of Observation users among relevant characters with feats. Some other characters can rank higher eventually.
The number one Observation user so far is none other than Purple Tiger - Fujitora Issho. The man who has no eyes relies on it 24/7.
He is constantly detecting Aura with his mind's eye and in battle, he also picks up the intent all the time.
The second best CoO user is Roronoa Zoro. Outrageous? Not at all.
Zoro is a guy who has battle focus second to none, from the moment he landed on rooftop, his focus on Kaido hasnt gone off for a second.
This is obvious by battle data, Zoro simply never gets hit when he is in the focus. His uptime of Observation is miles ahead of Luffy's.
Zoro is also one of two Observers who have pulled off sleep diff, passive detection while sleeping...
Furthermore, Zoro is the only character so far who has detected inanimate objects that carry no intent.
The third best is Katakuri due to just as high uptime of CoO as Zoro and Fujitora but due to flaws of the FS, he is falling behind them.
The fourth best Observer is Sanji, for the same reason, he is calmer and observes more than Luffy. He does have heated moments and turns into a joke when he shouldnt as well as his feelings detection works only with women and outside of combat so the further advantage of Luffy isnt present...
The fifth best is Luffy, which many will disagree with because >muh advanced CoO...
I have explained why being able to use a more advanced Observation doesnt make you into a better Observer.
Luffy has to work on the uptime of CoO, regardless of whether it's reading the intent or future peeping. Both are too low to rank higher.
If his uptime was higher, he wouldnt necessarily avoid the hits but he would sense things like this and attempt to do something...
Calmness and endless battle focus are key to being a good Observation user.
People like Mihawk can rank above all these 5 mentioned since he is a very calm and calculated combatant known as Clairvoyant.
Whether he will, remains to be seen in the future but he is for sure among the best out there.
TLDR - Uptime wins and basic CoO rules due to flaws of Future Sight.
This should get you more familiar with Observation haki especially if you were one of those who thought that Zoro of all people should improve his CoO... Zoro's Observation is top notch even without abilities like Future Sight, just like Fujitora's is. A good Observer senses things coming and Zoro is simply one of the best in that department.
Today, we take a look at Color of Observation and who the best-known users of it are as well as what it takes to be good at Observation.
But first, let us break down what CoO is and what branches exist.
Observation Haki is, among other things, awareness of things before they happen. It represents the detection of intent and the unseen.
All of the branches are based on that definition. It is called Mantra in Skypiea which means Mind Rope. Basically a link to the enemy's mind.
If there is any credit to Shanks' movie feat, "observation killer", it is thanks to CoC barrier which severs that mind link and cancels CoO.
However, how that would prevent Future Sight is unclear and illogical but no need to worry about this until and if it gets shown in manga.
There is an additional ability that doesnt fit the definition above and it is to determine one's strength. This seems like a throwaway line.
There is absolutely no use for this and it's been brought up only two times - Mihawk notices WB's decline and Ray tells beasts are >Luffy.
As explained in Skypiea, all living beings carry a voice just by being alive. CoO is used to detect that voice/intent/aura.
It is a power to anticipate the opponent's next move aka read their mind, to sense what they intend to do next.
So, with all of the branches summed up, we now turn towards the part that explains what it takes to be good at Observation.
Are those who can see the future automatically better than those who cant? No, it is not that simple. Future Sight is very flawed.
What determines a good Observer is the amount of time he spends using Observation haki during the battle.
Simply put, of the 100% duration of the battle, the percentage of CoO uptime determines whether one is good or bad at CoO.
For example, both Luffy and Katakuri can use the same ability - to look into the future. However, are they equally good at it? Of course not.
The reason why Katakuri is good at Observation is that he keeps it active almost all the time. Meanwhile, Luffy uses it every blue moon.
Is Luffy a better Observer than Fujitora who cant use future sight? No, for the same reason he is worse than Katakuri - the uptime.
To give you an example, let's say, Luffy and Fujitora clash 100 times.
Of those 100 times, Fujitora is using Observation in each clash, 100 times reading the intent of Luffy.
Meanwhile, Luffy looks into the future 10 times out of 100 clashes. He observed 10 times less than Fujitora and is clueless in 90 clashes.
Do you see why FS user is not better than those who cant look into the future?
B-but who is better between Fujitora and Katakuri?!
The easy advantage in favor of Fujitora from the Luffy match-up is gone, because Katakuri looks into future 100 times in 100 clashes.
Who is better now?! Well, I am going to tell you that Fujitora is still a better user of Observation than Katakuri. Let's see why...
As I mentioned, Future Sight is a very flawed ability and everyone has the power to oppose it.
Thi is particularly problematic with attacks that have fast repetition as we saw Katakuri trying to dodge Snakeman's culverin that follows him.
The FS user constantly needs to re-see the new future because the old one he saw is no longer the one that will happen.
Every intervention carries intent that regular Observation detects and makes the observer aware what's coming even if it is from FS user.
FS also creates a problem because the user stops sensing due to watching something that hasnt yet happened and thus cant carry intent.
The tape FS users watch, has no explanation of the intent, that's why Katakuri doesnt know why Pudding falls on the ground.
That's why he is unaware of Flampe's presence and the intent that her needle carries.
Every attack Katakuri throws at Fujitora carries intent and is picked up, he cannot surprise him.
Once again, it was Luffy who made Katakuri look better than he actually is. It is Luffy who couldnt calm himself down to observe.
Now, most CoO cases are due to active focus, concentrating to detect/sense/watch/read what the opponent will do.
However, we have also seen a different case, passive detection of intent/presence while sleeping, performed by two bandana users.
#sleepdiff #bandanagang
Lastly, we come to the ranking of Observation users among relevant characters with feats. Some other characters can rank higher eventually.
The number one Observation user so far is none other than Purple Tiger - Fujitora Issho. The man who has no eyes relies on it 24/7.
He is constantly detecting Aura with his mind's eye and in battle, he also picks up the intent all the time.
The second best CoO user is Roronoa Zoro. Outrageous? Not at all.
Zoro is a guy who has battle focus second to none, from the moment he landed on rooftop, his focus on Kaido hasnt gone off for a second.
This is obvious by battle data, Zoro simply never gets hit when he is in the focus. His uptime of Observation is miles ahead of Luffy's.
Furthermore, Zoro is the only character so far who has detected inanimate objects that carry no intent.
The third best is Katakuri due to just as high uptime of CoO as Zoro and Fujitora but due to flaws of the FS, he is falling behind them.
The fourth best Observer is Sanji, for the same reason, he is calmer and observes more than Luffy. He does have heated moments and turns into a joke when he shouldnt as well as his feelings detection works only with women and outside of combat so the further advantage of Luffy isnt present...
The fifth best is Luffy, which many will disagree with because >muh advanced CoO...
I have explained why being able to use a more advanced Observation doesnt make you into a better Observer.
Luffy has to work on the uptime of CoO, regardless of whether it's reading the intent or future peeping. Both are too low to rank higher.
If his uptime was higher, he wouldnt necessarily avoid the hits but he would sense things like this and attempt to do something...
Calmness and endless battle focus are key to being a good Observation user.
People like Mihawk can rank above all these 5 mentioned since he is a very calm and calculated combatant known as Clairvoyant.
Whether he will, remains to be seen in the future but he is for sure among the best out there.
TLDR - Uptime wins and basic CoO rules due to flaws of Future Sight.
This should get you more familiar with Observation haki especially if you were one of those who thought that Zoro of all people should improve his CoO... Zoro's Observation is top notch even without abilities like Future Sight, just like Fujitora's is. A good Observer senses things coming and Zoro is simply one of the best in that department.
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