Character Discussion The previous generation had too many contenders for WSS for any of them to be definitively be crowned

#22
Because he can't Utilise it to that point.
Whitebeard had the fruit long before God Valley. But got the title later on in the series.


Because he isn't.
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Not right now at the very least.
Blackbeard pretty much did the same thing that whitebeard has done although more chaotic therefore he even more dangerous. Also the point of being the only human with 2 DF should have some merit.
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Look at how he got the fruit. Not a top tier without it, hasn’t shown anything in the series that he is a top tier to average citizens
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Luffy doesn’t have zoan. People think he has a regular paramecia
You cant separate the fruit from the person, for example luffy cant be nika without his DF.
Also Blackbeard has shown to be a real terror to the average citizens back in marineford where it was shown worldwide to the OP world.
 
#23
Everyone and their grandmom was high level top tier swordsman.

Just to name a few.
Rocks
Roger
Shiki
Ray
Harald.

I think this created a situation where for you to really gain the title you would need to actually defeat a bunch of these guys.

In the present Age there is only Mihawk and Shanks. Shanks without an arm seems washed as a swordsman. Fuji is a decent one too his shtick is mainly raining down extra planetary objects on people. I think it was extremely easy for Mihawk to gain this title since there was a vacuum of power. And it's not just Mihawk, even for WB.

To put it into perspective, after God valley and then later after Roger died, WB was basically the only Old Gen guy left behind. Kaido was still growing, and Big Mo,m while formidable, will always be placed slightly below her male contemporaries. Shiki and Ray then faded away from pirate life and that just left only Shanks and Mihawk (Oden was twerking in Wano) as the only youngish, strong swordsmen. It was only a matter of time till on of them got crowned as the best.
There was only two equals, Rocks and Harald. Others you named weren't on that level yet and beside don't yall put Shiki and Ray below Roger? There wasn't one because none of them had the strength to forge a black blade and be WSS.
 
#26
"The previous generation had too many contenders for WSS for any of them to be definitively be crowned"

Or, get this, or... none of them had the ability to stand out because they simply weren't good enough, which is why they're all black-blade-less.

They couldn't stand out in the "Great Pirate" era

Whereas Mihawk stands at the pinnacle of the Greatest Pirate Era, current day.

And if Prime Mihawk was present in the mere great pirate era, he would be at the throne of the strongest too

:milaugh: Zoro wasn't born too late, he was born in time as per shonen narrative
 
#27
"The previous generation had too many contenders for WSS for any of them to be definitively be crowned"

Or, get this, or... none of them had the ability to stand out because they simply weren't good enough, which is why they're all black-blade-less.

They couldn't stand out in the "Great Pirate" era

Whereas Mihawk stands at the pinnacle of the Greatest Pirate Era, current day.

And if Prime Mihawk was present in the mere great pirate era, he would be at the throne of the strongest too

:milaugh: Zoro wasn't born too late, he was born in time as per shonen narrative
What does a black blade add to make a person stronger than a person that doesnt have it automatically covered?
 
#28
What does a black blade add to make a person stronger than a person that doesnt have it automatically covered?
"automatically covered? "

This lies in your misinterpretation on what a black blade is, a black blade isn't automatically covered in haki, that's why zoro didn't kill monet when he cut her into two.

Temporary black blades are not the same as permanent ones obviously.

It's a feat of mastery meant to show the pinnacle of combat, as Ryuuma forged one over countless battles.

Having said feat of mastery makes you more impressive than those who don't

It's that simple
 
#29
"automatically covered? "

This lies in your misinterpretation on what a black blade is, a black blade isn't automatically covered in haki, that's why zoro didn't kill monet when he cut her into two.

Temporary black blades are not the same as permanent ones obviously.

It's a feat of mastery meant to show the pinnacle of combat, as Ryuuma forged one over countless battles.

Having said feat of mastery makes you more impressive than those who don't

It's that simple
Answer the question, what does it do to make said person stronger?

Because having a black blade just makes your sword rank up in value but we know their are regular swords that are better quality. For example Shushui was part of the 50 skillful blades but eventually made it to the 21 great grade swords by being black.

Also Oda hasn't explain how to forge a black blade. So it might not even be a strenght reason at all.
 
#30
None among the old gen cares about WSS. That evident since Kaido did not think of Mihawk as someone who stands at the top. Not unless your Zoro or Vista. Strength is not determined by how great a swordsman you are.
 
#31
None among the old gen cares about WSS. That evident since Kaido did not think of Mihawk as someone who stands at the top. Not unless your Zoro or Vista. Strength is not determined by how great a swordsman you are.
Kaidos top 5 as what people would like to believe is in shambles with the latest chapter when he actually fought Imu and meet Garp.
Soo the chances of it meaning of those 5 are how far will Luffy become as of a great pirate gain even more weight. With the context of how far Luffy ceiling is and does he have the will to surpass all.

With Imu existance and he/she having swords. Hawkeye fandom better be really afraid because he is back on fraud watch. Lmao
 
#33
No one cares about WSS because oda made those titles up without thinking even 300 chapters ahead
More people cared about WSM because oda had more respect for that character, but in universe it was ever wb because that was his hype title for MF. There is no fucking Budokai tournament for it
 
#34
There are so few top tier swordsmen of this era because Wihawk already crushed them, they're either dead or retired in shame. Lhanks spared himself from this fate by purposefully feeding his arm to a seaking, thereby no longer being worthy of being challenged by Wihawk.
Bro how do you flip flop on your opinions every 2 months??

I thought Mihawk was barely a top tier and weaker than Admirals.
 
#36
No one cares about WSS because oda made those titles up without thinking even 300 chapters ahead
More people cared about WSM because oda had more respect for that character, but in universe it was ever wb because that was his hype title for MF. There is no fucking Budokai tournament for it
This would make sense if Oda didn't mention Mihawk as the WSS again in post-ts and then again via Brannew. We're talking hundreds of chapters later.
 
#37
This would make sense if Oda didn't mention Mihawk as the WSS again in post-ts and then again via Brannew. We're talking hundreds of chapters later.
? How is that an argument, the argument is that Whitebeard was not even WSM pre-ts and now also retroactivly in his prime. Its not like oda revoked that title.
Obviously Mihawk is the WSS currently as he is an active character
How is that an argument to anything?

If you have trouble understanding: I said oda doesnt care for titles like wsm wss wsc and so on in a real matter and they are there to generate hype. Thats why even the character he had the biggest reverence, WB, was never in actuality in any state of point time actually the strongest. The counter argument to this always he was in a period in his prime we never seen.

Your counter: "Well brand new said post-ts he is WSS"
ok :Luffy_Roll: not entertaining the usual painter brainworms
 
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#38
Strength for swordsman is determined by how great a swordsman you are lmfao
At the end of the day Swordsmanship is still just a skill.
Mihawks strength is based on how well he uses his sword. But overall strength is determined by other factors outside of fighting style like Haki for example. Which is a skill that guys like Shanks, Roger and Joyboy excel in.
 
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#39
At the end of the day Swordsmanship is still just a skill.
Mihawks strength is based on how well he uses his sword. But overall strength is determined by other factors outside of fighting style like Haki for example. Which is a skill that guys like Shanks, Roger and Joyboy excel in.
For people who cant read sure.
Rocks swordsmanship by odas own words was his acoc shockwaves.
 
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