Bougya The Rocks Pirates take on the Ninja-Mink-Pirate-Samurai Alliance
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Well:
"I won't hold myself back".
And then:
But more than anything:
And when he does hit him, Luffy doesn't even go KO:
The pre-TS is full on these things.
"I won't hold myself back".
And then:
But more than anything:
And when he does hit him, Luffy doesn't even go KO:
The pre-TS is full on these things.
We know because narrative, and we know because we are trying to put some sense in Oda's nonsense.
However, if tomorrow a random character says "I won't hold back", we would say (rightfully) that character is serious. Even if not absolutely 100%, 90; 80 if we really want to stretch.
Which would still be world-class power level nonsense applied to Luffy surviving/evading Mihawk.
The point is Oda doesn't care: he needed pre-TS Luffy facing, surviving, evading, not going KO, etc., in the face of these dudes, and he didn't, by sheer plot-induced nonsense/strength, if you want.
For the same reason, Mihawk was stalled by Vista or Kuzan by Jaws. Crocodile is another example.
Usually, narrative is the real way to go, in particular regarding the interaction with pre-TS Luffy. Half of the character had haki, for example, but randomly didn't use it against him.
However, if tomorrow a random character says "I won't hold back", we would say (rightfully) that character is serious. Even if not absolutely 100%, 90; 80 if we really want to stretch.
Which would still be world-class power level nonsense applied to Luffy surviving/evading Mihawk.
The point is Oda doesn't care: he needed pre-TS Luffy facing, surviving, evading, not going KO, etc., in the face of these dudes, and he didn't, by sheer plot-induced nonsense/strength, if you want.
For the same reason, Mihawk was stalled by Vista or Kuzan by Jaws. Crocodile is another example.
Usually, narrative is the real way to go, in particular regarding the interaction with pre-TS Luffy. Half of the character had haki, for example, but randomly didn't use it against him.
Okay, but you do realize there's a huge difference between Magellan, who has almost 0 portrayal or narrative or whatever, being compared to Mihawk who's confirmed to be above Oda's golden boy Shanks, right?
We can give Mihawk the benefit of the doubt as we know for a fact that he's above top tiers like Shanks, Issho, Old Ray, etc.
We can't give Magellan the benefit of the doubt right now as he doesn't have that type of portrayal nor does he have any good feats.
We can give Mihawk the benefit of the doubt as we know for a fact that he's above top tiers like Shanks, Issho, Old Ray, etc.
We can't give Magellan the benefit of the doubt right now as he doesn't have that type of portrayal nor does he have any good feats.
"Low diffing him" off screen, and Oda miraculously made it so Ivankov didn't just spam his no touch moves to kill him easily.
We don't know how Shiryu was captured.
Luffy, Croco and Jinbe fleeing from him is no different from Kaido, Big Mom and Primebeard fleeing from Garp. It's not that they can't beat him, it's that they don't have the time to fight him.
We don't know how Shiryu was captured.
Luffy, Croco and Jinbe fleeing from him is no different from Kaido, Big Mom and Primebeard fleeing from Garp. It's not that they can't beat him, it's that they don't have the time to fight him.
So he was suicidal?
Let's be honest. This makes clear Magellan >> Ivankov:
We saw the two were facing off and we know Shiliew feared Magellan too.
They were fleeing for their lives though. If they could beat him at least withput real problems, they would:
They cannot. And this already spokes volumes about Magellan.
Let's be honest. This makes clear Magellan >> Ivankov:
We saw the two were facing off and we know Shiliew feared Magellan too.
They were fleeing for their lives though. If they could beat him at least withput real problems, they would:
They cannot. And this already spokes volumes about Magellan.
So he was suicidal?
Let's be honest. This makes clear Magellan >> Ivankov:
We saw the two were facing off and we know Shiliew feared Magellan too.
They were fleeing for their lives though. If they could beat him at least withput real problems, they would:
They cannot. And this already spokes volumes about Magellan.
Let's be honest. This makes clear Magellan >> Ivankov:
We saw the two were facing off and we know Shiliew feared Magellan too.
They were fleeing for their lives though. If they could beat him at least withput real problems, they would:
They cannot. And this already spokes volumes about Magellan.
Also, you understand that Ace could have gotten his head lopped off at any moment right? Why would they stay behind and fight Magellan knowing that?
Even if they win handily, there's no point in jumping Magellan there especially given how annoying his powers are. Jinbe had no water and Croc can't do well against liquids. They'd win, obviously enough, but at what cost? From their point of view Ace and the others could die at any moment, there's no time to play around and fight random people to preserve their pride.
That was before. His literal role was to buy time and Magellan low diffed him:
If not, than nothing counts. He had one job and Magellan beat him in seconds.
Even by the narrator, who said buying time (not even beating him) didn't work:
Luffy tried the second the thought he had a shot (thansk to wax), but was forced away.
Magellan was the biggest obstacle for them, they fled because they couldn't beat him or because beating him would have been very difficult and long, which again spokes volumes about Magellan.
If not, than nothing counts. He had one job and Magellan beat him in seconds.
Even by the narrator, who said buying time (not even beating him) didn't work:
Luffy tried the second the thought he had a shot (thansk to wax), but was forced away.
Magellan was the biggest obstacle for them, they fled because they couldn't beat him or because beating him would have been very difficult and long, which again spokes volumes about Magellan.
That was before. His literal role was to buy time and Magellan low diffed him:
If not, than nothing counts. He had one job and Magellan beat him in seconds.
Even by the narrator, who said buying time (not even beating him) didn't work:
Luffy tried the second the thought he had a shot (thansk to wax), but was forced away.
Magellan was the biggest obstacle for them, they fled because they couldn't beat him or because beating him would have been very difficult and long, which again spokes volumes about Magellan.
If not, than nothing counts. He had one job and Magellan beat him in seconds.
Even by the narrator, who said buying time (not even beating him) didn't work:
Luffy tried the second the thought he had a shot (thansk to wax), but was forced away.
Magellan was the biggest obstacle for them, they fled because they couldn't beat him or because beating him would have been very difficult and long, which again spokes volumes about Magellan.
His hax makes it so you can't touch him directly. It's not a power level thing.
Jinbe didn't have a sufficient source of water in Impel Down, therefore he would have to try and fight Magellan by punching him directly, which in turn makes him touch the poison, and... You can guess from there.
Same for Croc, his sand doesn't usually work on liquids, so he'd suffer the same fate as Jinbe.
Normally, Magellan would get stomped by people on their level. King or Queen would kill him if they were in their position as they have ways to fight him without touching his poison. Jinbe and Croc didn't have that luxury there.
Magellan, without his poison hax, was getting dropped by G2 and G3 pre ts Luffy and constantly relied on his hax to stop Luffy, Ivankov and everyone else from hitting him. The moment he came across people who could turn his hax off (Blackbeard) he nearly died to them immediately.
I don't call him a hax merchant because I think it's a fun epithet. It's just the truth.
I think you are heavily underselling Magellan feats, even though some things are rather straighforward, like Magellano low diffing Invankov.
I would say we will see, but tbh I don't think we are going to see Magellan again.
However, Just the fact Croco and Jinbe couldn't defeat him in a short time (at the very least), tells everything.
I would say we will see, but tbh I don't think we are going to see Magellan again.
However, Just the fact Croco and Jinbe couldn't defeat him in a short time (at the very least), tells everything.