Future Events The Structure of One Piece's Final Plotline Has Been Clear For Hundreds of Chapters

#1
So, I am making this thread in light of a HUGE revelation that has come from Volume 97's SBS, while also thinking of a few other things on the side.

Anyway, the SBS Q/A via Eten:

"Translated by KAIDOBOBU

Oda: Yes. But rather than saying serialization ends, I would say it’s over because the most interesting part of Luffy’s adventure, the story of what is One Piece exactly? is done at that point. Right now Wano arc is heating, but if Luffy is to leave there safe and sound, it’ll lead to a worldly development , an exciting story no one has ever read, I’ll be drawing the “Biggest War” of OP history. It’ll be very interesting!! And so, I made the announcement to notify the readers and make them realize that “this long story is actually heading towards its end”.
But, right now you should be enjoying the exciting Wano country arc. I’ll draw it with all I’ve got!!"

And here is another version of the same translation by TCB Scan's translator:

D: Odacchi! Is it true that One Piece will end in 5 years? Even if that's the case, a public statement like that is really vexing for the fans!
Many friends of mine who are fans burst into tears with this sudden announcement! I feel like shouting "How could you do this to us!?", but I don't want to stress you out. (P.N.: pari_bentham)


O: By "ending", I mean the juiciest part of Luffy's adventure.
Since that's when the mystery of "what is the One Piece?" is to be revealed.
Right now Wano is heating up, if Luffy is able to leave here in one piece, we'll get to a development that will engulf the entire world, the likes of which no one has read before - the greatest war in One Piece history.
I said what I said so that the reader's hearts would be prepared, since it'll be such a long arc, and one that will really pin things towards the finish line. That being said, I'm really enjoying writing and drawing Wano right now, and am pumped to finishing it!




So key points to be taken here:

- Oda directly avoids saying "Serialization" will end in 5 years.
- However more directly confirms Luffy's journey will end within that timeframe (give or take Oda's usual extensions of plot)
- After Wano, the plot will "lead" to a worldly development. Reading on this indicates that post-Wano will be "setting" up the Final War.

In turn, what is seemingly being suggested is the idea that Luffy's physical journey (to Laugh Tale) will come to an end within 5 or so years. The story of "what is One Piece exactly?", or the story that Oda deems to be the "most interesting part of LUFFY'S adventure" is coming to an end. By this point we will know the world's secrets, and likely most of the major revelations in the story. This also aligns with Oda's progress comments about percentage. He may have been talking specifically about Luffy's journey.

HOWEVER, it doesn't mean the story is over when Luffy's journey ends. This is extremely significant because its actually been mentioned/hinted at multiple times before in the story:

I. Rayleigh's Discussion with Robin:

Firstly, this revelation was hinted by Rayleigh:


This marks the first instance of the Roger pirates finding out everything and not being able to resolve it. In the sense that they had all "moved a little too quickly". This one is straightforward, but the next case is a actually a big one

II. Whitebeards proclamation to Blackbeard:

Even here, Whitebeard makes very straightforward claims that Teach isn't the one who will inherit Roger's will:



If you read the text, it very bluntly says that:

- Teach is not who Roger was "waiting for" or who "inherited" Rogers will
- That the person who will inherit Roger's will, a will that has been passed down even longer prior and bearing "weight of centuries of history, will challenge the world".
- That when that "someone finds THAT treasure (One Piece), the world will be shaken to its core.

This almost assuredly indicates that the person we assume is "that" person, Luffy, will find One Piece first, become PK, and THEN challenge the World Government. This almost perfectly aligns with Oda's current comments in the SBS.

Additionally, here is a big point to mention: Whitebeard himself didn't do anything and even HE knew everything from Roger. This indicates that whoever (ehem, LUFFY) is meant to do something likely needs to know "everything".

Then finally you have:

III. Roger/Oden's flashback:


Without spending too much time on this, it once against insinuates that whomever is meant to "change" the world MUST know about One Piece and virtually all of the mysteries of the world prior.



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So then, what does this say about "structure"? I think Oda, especially during this last SBS, is being ever bit as literal as he's been trying to be in his story. Which basically is:

Luffy must become Pirate King before he is able to change the world (aka, the Final War)


Aka, Luffy's journey will end, he will find One Piece, and we as the reader's will know most of the mysteries/questions when it comes to dealing with One Piece and the Void Century. Essentially learning Joy Boy's story and claiming OP will earn you the PK title.


Tl;dr: Give or take 5 years, Luffy's journey will finish, but One Piece won't end. It will continue dealing with its final conflict for years to come.
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Off topic but throwing this on the side. How I think the remaining structure may go. This part is entirely subjective to the reader, but I'd like to include it here:


- Wano will finish eventually. Kaido and BM will fall (but perhaps BM has more story to be told at Elbaf)
- Luffy and crew will go to Elbaf and/or several more islands/reach the physical end of Grand Line (Lodestar)
- During this time period, Blackbeard and the WG will incite the world shifting conflict in the form of gearing up for War.
- Luffy and crew will head to Laugh Tale. This, by some order, will lead to Luffy vs. the Blackbeard Pirates. I personally think Blackbeard is NOT the Final Antagonist
- Luffy will become PK/Learn True History/Obtain One Piece
- Luffy will "carry centuries of history on his back" and begin the Final War against the WG
- Luffy will defeat both Akainu and Im during and towards the end of the War's climax
- Luffy will defeat Shanks (!?) at the end of the story


Now, understandably, some of you might be thinking "what the hell" about that last point, but I'm actually dead serious. I have mixed reservations about what I believe Shanks to be in One Piece. I don't think he's as "good" as people think. Better yet, I think his character will be revealed to be morally grey.

Lets get a list going of "why" I think this:

- Nearly every point Luffy is mentioned, Shanks gets into a very serious/competitive/almost "evil" or dark looking face (not saying he's actually EVIL, I'm just saying that's how it looks). Either Shanks simply just wants to fight Luffy, or there is something deeper here that Oda has been setting up.

- Shanks was able to stop, full front, a war just by out of pure respect from Sengoku. That has to mean something. It could mean "respect" just because Shanks is possibly not a very violent pirate, sure. But then this last point is what threw me off.

- Shanks has met with the Gorosei, the same people who entirely committed Genocide of the Oharans and call for further "cleansings". This I don't understand. If the point of Roger's journey to finding One Piece to "change" or "save" the world, presumably from the WG, and if Shanks is supposedly Roger's protégé, why on earth would Shanks secretly meet with the very people Luffy is destined to stop? The same people the Revolutionaries want to stop? The same group who erased the person who is allegedly orchestrating Luffy's will?

- Shanks also seems to have been born at the EXACT timeframe of God Valley (39). It almost seems that Roger took a baby from there. Perhaps 2 since Buggy is the same age. Why?

- Shanks is the one named character that is entirely important to the plotline of One Piece that has been here since Chapter 1. His character and passing of the strawhat are entirely central to Luffy's character. Unlike Blackbeard, Akainu or Im, Shanks has been present since the beginning, since Oda already had thought of One Piece's ending....


So I also have another point and that is through the concept of trying to figure out Luffy and Zoro's opponents post-Wano. Lets say this order is true hypothetically:

- Blackbeard (at Laugh Tale)
- Akainu (Beginning/Middle of the Final War at New Marineford)
- Im (Middle/End of the Final War at Mariejois/Destruction of FI)
- Shanks (End of the Final War at God Valley)

So with Zoro:

- Shiryu is a good guess right? Zoro does not seem to be good at observation Haki, might make a great Swordsman battle for Zoro being his Achilles heel.
- Fujitora. Once again, if Luffy faces Akainu, it would be probable that Zoro faces his Swordsman based Admiral?
- Monk Gorosei. If Luffy is destined to fight Im (assuming Im is a combatant), this Gorosei fits the mold to be Zoro's opponent. The man allegedly has Shodai Kitetsu, being the same design as Sandai and Nidai.
- Mihawk. Thats right, being the ONLY character Shanks seems to associate with outside of his own crew, Mihawk may very well be Zoro's opponent here. It fits into the mold that Zoro vs. Mihawk is Zoro's last battle. It fits in to the fact that Mihawk just lost his Shichibukai title. Being that the world is about to go in a very drastic direction, it would make sense if Mihawk allied with Shanks at this moment.


You can also fit this mold into what could also complete Usopp's character, in terms of dealing with his father or surpassing him (since his father is his idol)

Just something to think about....
 
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So, I am making this thread in light of a HUGE revelation that has come from Volume 97's SBS, while also thinking of a few other things on the side.

Anyway, the SBS Q/A via Eten:

"Translated by KAIDOBOBU

Oda: Yes. But rather than saying serialization ends, I would say it’s over because the most interesting part of Luffy’s adventure, the story of what is One Piece exactly? is done at that point. Right now Wano arc is heating, but if Luffy is to leave there safe and sound, it’ll lead to a worldly development , an exciting story no one has ever read, I’ll be drawing the “Biggest War” of OP history. It’ll be very interesting!! And so, I made the announcement to notify the readers and make them realize that “this long story is actually heading towards its end”.
But, right now you should be enjoying the exciting Wano country arc. I’ll draw it with all I’ve got!!"

And here is another version of the same translation by TCB Scan's translator:

D: Odacchi! Is it true that One Piece will end in 5 years? Even if that's the case, a public statement like that is really vexing for the fans!
Many friends of mine who are fans burst into tears with this sudden announcement! I feel like shouting "How could you do this to us!?", but I don't want to stress you out. (P.N.: pari_bentham)


O: By "ending", I mean the juiciest part of Luffy's adventure.
Since that's when the mystery of "what is the One Piece?" is to be revealed.
Right now Wano is heating up, if Luffy is able to leave here in one piece, we'll get to a development that will engulf the entire world, the likes of which no one has read before - the greatest war in One Piece history.
I said what I said so that the reader's hearts would be prepared, since it'll be such a long arc, and one that will really pin things towards the finish line. That being said, I'm really enjoying writing and drawing Wano right now, and am pumped to finishing it!




So key points to be taken here:

- Oda directly avoids saying "Serialization" will end in 5 years.
- However more directly confirms Luffy's journey will end within that timeframe (give or take Oda's usual extensions of plot)
- After Wano, the plot will "lead" to a worldly development. Reading on this indicates that post-Wano will be "setting" up the Final War.

In turn, what is seemingly being suggested is the idea that Luffy's physical journey (to Laugh Tale) will come to an end within 5 or so years. The story of "what is One Piece exactly?", or the story that Oda deems to be the "most interesting part of LUFFY'S adventure" is coming to an end. By this point we will know the world's secrets, and likely most of the major revelations in the story. This also aligns with Oda's progress comments about percentage. He may have been talking specifically about Luffy's journey.

HOWEVER, it doesn't mean the story is over when Luffy's journey ends. This is extremely significant because its actually been mentioned/hinted at multiple times before in the story:

I. Rayleigh's Discussion with Robin:

Firstly, this revelation was hinted by Rayleigh:


This marks the first instance of the Roger pirates finding out everything and not being able to resolve it. In the sense that they had all "moved a little too quickly". This one is straightforward, but the next case is a actually a big one

II. Whitebeards proclamation to Blackbeard:

Even here, Whitebeard makes very straightforward claims that Teach isn't the one who will inherit Roger's will:



If you read the text, it very bluntly says that:

- Teach is not who Roger was "waiting for" or who "inherited" Rogers will
- That the person who will inherit Roger's will, a will that has been passed down even longer prior and bearing "weight of centuries of history, will challenge the world".
- That when that "someone finds THAT treasure (One Piece), the world will be shaken to its core.

This almost assuredly indicates that the person we assume is "that" person, Luffy, will find One Piece first, become PK, and THEN challenge the World Government. This almost perfectly aligns with Oda's current comments in the SBS.

Additionally, here is a big point to mention: Whitebeard himself didn't do anything and even HE knew everything from Roger. This indicates that whoever (ehem, LUFFY) is meant to do something likely needs to know "everything".

Then finally you have:

III. Roger/Oden's flashback:


Without spending too much time on this, it once against insinuates that whomever is meant to "change" the world MUST know about One Piece and virtually all of the mysteries of the world prior.



-------------------------------------------------------------------



So then, what does this say about "structure"? I think Oda, especially during this last SBS, is being ever bit as literal as he's been trying to be in his story. Which basically is:

Luffy must become Pirate King before he is able to change the world (aka, the Final War)


Aka, Luffy's journey will end, he will find One Piece, and we as the reader's will know most of the mysteries/questions when it comes to dealing with One Piece and the Void Century. Essentially learning Joy Boy's story and claiming OP will earn you the PK title.


Tl;dr: Give or take 5 years, Luffy's story will finish, but One Piece won't end. It will continue dealing with its final conflict for years to come.
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Off topic but throwing this on the side. How I think the remaining structure may go. This part is entirely subjective to the reader, but I'd like to include it here:


- Wano will finish eventually. Kaido and BM will fall (but perhaps BM has more story to be told at Elbaf)
- Luffy and crew will go to Elbaf and/or several more islands/reach the physical end of Grand Line (Lodestar)
- During this time period, Blackbeard and the WG will incite the world shifting conflict in the form of gearing up for War.
- Luffy and crew will head to Laugh Tale. This, by some order, will lead to Luffy vs. the Blackbeard Pirates. I personally think Blackbeard is NOT the Final Antagonist
- Luffy will become PK/Learn True History/Obtain One Piece
- Luffy will "carry centuries of history on his back" and begin the Final War against the WG
- Luffy will defeat both Akainu and Im during and towards the end of the War's climax
- Luffy will defeat Shanks (!?) at the end of the story


Now, understandably, some of you might be thinking "what the hell" about that last point, but I'm actually dead serious. I have mixed reservations about what I believe Shanks to be in One Piece. I don't think he's as "good" as people think. Better yet, I think his character will be revealed to be morally grey.

Lets get a list going of "why" I think this:

- Nearly every point Luffy is mentioned, Shanks gets into a very serious/competitive/almost "evil" or dark looking face (not saying he's actually EVIL, I'm just saying that's how it looks). Either Shanks simply just wants to fight Luffy, or there is something deeper here that Oda has been setting up.

- Shanks was able to stop, full front, a war just by out of pure respect from Sengoku. That has to mean something. It could mean "respect" just because Shanks is possibly not a very violent pirate, sure. But then this last point is what threw me off.

- Shanks has met with the Gorosei, the same people who entirely committed Genocide of the Oharans and call for further "cleansings". This I don't understand. If the
point of Roger's journey to finding One Piece to "change" or "save" the world, presumably from the WG, and if Shanks is supposedly Roger's protégé, why on earth would Shanks secretly meet with the very people Luffy is destined to stop? The same people the Revolutionaries want to stop? The same group who erased the person who is allegedly orchestrating Luffy's will?

- Shanks also seems to have been born at the EXACT timeframe of God Valley (39). It almost seems that Roger took a baby from there. Perhaps 2 since Buggy is the same age. Why?

- Shanks is the one named character that is entirely important to the plotline of One Piece. That has been here since Chapter 1. His character and passing of the strawhat are entirely central to Luffy's character. Unlike Blackbeard, Akainu or Im, Shanks has been present since the beginning, since Oda already had thought of One Piece's ending....


So I also have another point and that is through the concept of trying to figure out Luffy and Zoro's opponents post-Wano. Lets say this order is true hypothetically:

- Blackbeard (at Laugh Tale)
- Akainu (Beginning/Middle of the Final War at New Marineford)
- Im (Middle/End of the Final War at Mariejois/Destruction of FI)
- Shanks (End of the Final War at God Valley)

So with Zoro:

- Shiryu is a good guess right? Zoro does not seem to be good at observation Haki, might make a great Swordsman battle for Zoro being his Achilles heel.
- Fujitora. Once again, if Luffy faces Akainu, it would be probable that Zoro faces his Swordsman based Admiral?
- Monk Gorosei. If Luffy is destined to fight Im (assuming Im is a combatant), this Gorosei fits the mold to be Zoro's opponent. The man allegedly has Shodai Kitetsu, being the same design as Sandai and Nidai.
- Mihawk. Thats right, being the ONLY character Shanks seems to associate with outside of his own crew, Mihawk may very well be Zoro's opponent here. It fits into the mold that Zoro vs. Mihawk is Zoro's last battle. It fits in to the fact that Mihawk just lost his Shichibukai title. Being that the world is about to go in a very drastic direction, it would make sense if Mihawk allied with Shanks at this moment.


You can also fit this mold into what could also complete Usopp's character, in terms of dealing with his father or surpassing him (since his father is his idol)

Just something to think about....
Oda's answer suggests the Grand War happens before Luffy is PK which contradicts your point.
 
#4
I like the structure you presented. But, ss many say, I think Elbaf will be Shanks' arc though I don't think his character will end there. The final showdown at God Valley sounds godly. Shanks is definitely a very grey character imo at least. He is literally covered in mystery. I have many theories regarding him but that's for another thread.

I really hope Oda delivers the ending. For me, this is the best story I've ever read and One Piece like for many others is very close to my heart. This may sound very cheezy but sometimes, I get goosebumps when I try to grasp its scope and how big of world Oda has created. The thing is that even after having the most unrealistic characters and settings, this story feels the most 'real' to me. Not without its flaws but being the closest to perfect for me. God, this sounded so cheezy.
 
#5
- Fujitora. Once again, if Luffy faces Akainu, it would be probable that Zoro faces his Swordsman based Admiral?
Overall agree with some minor disagreement but this point is definitively wrong imo. Because if you read the last part of reverie that we've seen, you'll most likely conclude that Fujitora is going on a vendetta and will quit the marines, and just add to this his inner personnality, this is the sole conclusion, and will be on luffy side if he stays alive for the final war.
This means, marines will find another admiral soon enough.
 
#6
Luffy becoming PK and later on fighting the WG has been obvious for years. It's only the Yoncucks stans that refuse to accept it. Seeing Akainu going toe to toe with PK Luffy will kill them, that's why they came up with the BS that Scrabo will defeat him. :vistalaugh:
I sort of align with that view.

Yes, this is called the Yonko arc/saga/plotline as it stands. This probably means it concludes with BM/Kaido being defeated to some extent. In a way this will entirely destroy the concept of a "Yonko". There won't be 4 Emperors anymore. Luffy alone as the "5th" one was already starting to wear the name down.

That being said, I do think Luffy's journey, within the next 5 years, will conclude with a major battle against Blackbeard in order to earn the title of Pirate King. It honestly only makes sense if BB is contesting that with him. If you read Whitebeards dialogue to Blackbeard, it almost seems that way too: "YOU are not the one Roger was waiting for" indicates that someone else (Luffy) is that person. And that person will "bear the weight of centuries of history and challenge the World". This entirely implies that Luffy will defeat his "competitor" (I.e. Blackbeard) to rightfully earn the title to face the world (i.e. the World Government).


To me this is where Luffy's journey functionally ends and the Final War begins, HOWEVER I do think Shanks will be left standing in the end and has a way bigger/more vital role to play in ending the actual manga. Along with Akainu and possibly Im, facing Shanks will encompass key plot points in the final war, but I do think Blackbeard as a whole is being set up to be defeated before this.

I think there is something fundamentally off about Shanks, not to mention of this concept of Rocks/God Valley and Shanks being exactly the same age as the incident. I even think that is where the final conflict/battle against Shanks would take place, after New Marineford/Mariejois/Fishman island (assuming those are the warfronts of the Final War.



tldr: 3 of 4 Yonko will be done before the Final War, but Shanks will be there for the end. Just a feeling I have.
 
#7
Luffy becoming PK and later on fighting the WG has been obvious for years. It's only the Yoncucks stans that refuse to accept it. Seeing Akainu going toe to toe with PK Luffy will kill them, that's why they came up with the BS that Scrabo will defeat him. :vistalaugh:
If the final war is about fighting admirals, this will go smooth, and they will be mid diffed even by zoro.
But this won't happen, mainly because it's not sure whether or not there will be still 3 admirals and one fleet admirals and not that people will leave like fujitora - which is almost certain - or that some will join luffy's side, and due to the fact that akainu not only will be a low tier compared to luffy EOS but also that it will most likely will be sabo who will kill him due to his background and its personification.
 
#8
Oda's answer suggests the Grand War happens before Luffy is PK which contradicts your point.
Nope, he suggests that it is just starting:

We'll get to a development that will engulf the entire world, the likes of which no one has read before - the greatest war in One Piece history.

Remember guys, you can't just propel Luffy organically from one war to the next. You have to understand why the next war is even happening. It requires buildup. It requires a slew of characters coming together to fight.

It took multiple arcs for Marineford's war to even begin. It took multiple arcs for nearly 50 kingdoms to come together and participate at the Reverie.


It WILL take multiple arcs for the Final War to escalate into something. Oda is literally telling us Luffy's journey ends, but the actual mangas story doesn't. Coinciding with the 3 examples I gave, it should be CLEAR that Luffy must find One Piece and get to the point where Roger was before taking on the WG.



Edit: @T.D.A compare this as a final "plotline", not solely an arc. The words are interchangeable in Japanese. Sort of how Punk Hazard to WCI set up Wano, what follows Wano should escalate for a number of years until Luffy becomes PK, only after this point will we see the payoff.

Oda is suggesting the "Grand War" isn't a part of "Luffy's adventure", but after it. However the plotlines for it will be laid out prior. Like how Punk Hazard laid out the beginnings of Wano.
 
#10
Nope, he suggests that it is just starting:

We'll get to a development that will engulf the entire world, the likes of which no one has read before - the greatest war in One Piece history.

Remember guys, you can't just propel Luffy organically from one war to the next. You have to understand why the next war is even happening. It requires buildup. It requires a slew of characters coming together to fight.

It took multiple arcs for Marineford's war to even begin. It took multiple arcs for nearly 50 kingdoms to come together and participate at the Reverie.


It WILL take multiple arcs for the Final War to escalate into something. Oda is literally telling us Luffy's journey ends, but the actual mangas story doesn't. Coinciding with the 3 examples I gave, it should be CLEAR that Luffy must find One Piece and get to the point where Roger was before taking on the WG.
Therefore this war starts before Luffy becomes PK. Luffy becoming PK may well be a part of the story of this grand war which Oda suggests will be quite a long arc. It's not correct to call it a 'Final' war which is a term fans made up.
 
#11
Nope, he suggests that it is just starting:

We'll get to a development that will engulf the entire world, the likes of which no one has read before - the greatest war in One Piece history.

Remember guys, you can't just propel Luffy organically from one war to the next. You have to understand why the next war is even happening. It requires buildup. It requires a slew of characters coming together to fight.

It took multiple arcs for Marineford's war to even begin. It took multiple arcs for nearly 50 kingdoms to come together and participate at the Reverie.


It WILL take multiple arcs for the Final War to escalate into something. Oda is literally telling us Luffy's journey ends, but the actual mangas story doesn't. Coinciding with the 3 examples I gave, it should be CLEAR that Luffy must find One Piece and get to the point where Roger was before taking on the WG.
The thing is i don't see the part after wano to be really linear ie wano then elbal then laugh tale then one piece, but rather circumstancial due to dealing with sabo's issue and the attack on tenryubito where most likely even fujitora took part even indirectly. Not only that but Vivi too is said to be endangered. So everything after wano imo will more likely look like a fight against the clock and not linear as it was for Roger. And during their rescuing, the SH will most likely meet BB and will face not, most likely not on Laugh Tale.
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Oda said the biggest war ever will start after Wano, and it will be very long

I don't see how the current event of Wano can lead to this war, unless this War is the one Kaido is talking about, and Wano will just end with a tragedy and Kaido continue with his plans leading directly to the biggest War, with Yonko, Ancient Weapons, Marines, SNs being involved
think about the reverie arc, and add to this the fact that 2 yonko taken down and some revelations - most likely linked to the Road poneglyth or whatever is on wano - and you'll have your biggest war. But this doesn't mean that it will be directly after Wano ends, it can be installed durably and really start officially after the finding of the OP.Well this is how i see it.
 
#12
Therefore this war starts before Luffy becomes PK. Luffy becoming PK may well be a part of the story of this grand war which Oda suggests will be quite a long arc. It's not correct to call it a 'Final' war which is a term fans made up.
Essentially we agree that the war could start before Laugh Tale, but I personally don't think Luffy will be involved UNTIL his adventure is over. All good to have differing opinions on that.

However, pay attention to the examples I provided in the OP. Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Roger are suggesting that you need to essentially know the True History/Find One Piece (and therefore, become Pirate King) in order to "challenge" the WG, as vague as that is.
 
#13
Essentially we agree that the war could start before Laugh Tale, but I personally don't think Luffy will be involved UNTIL his adventure is over. All good to have differing opinions on that.

However, pay attention to the examples I provided in the OP. Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Roger are suggesting that you need to essentially know the True History/Find One Piece (and therefore, become Pirate King) in order to "challenge" the WG, as vague as that is.
It most definitively already started unofficially with the attack on Mariejoie, but for the SH to take part, i guess it need them to find the OP which will be a race against the clock. What i see is that that they will rescue their friends in mariejoie by infiltrating it as they did in Whole cake island and then will meet against their will BB in their road to escape and have to beat him. Then reach the OP, then officially declaring the war against the world with their allies. It's pretty much similar actually to what they did to Big mom in WCI and now in Wano.This is another reason imo to why Wano is linked to the end's arc/saga
 
#14
Essentially we agree that the war could start before Laugh Tale, but I personally don't think Luffy will be involved UNTIL his adventure is over. All good to have differing opinions on that.

However, pay attention to the examples I provided in the OP. Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Roger are suggesting that you need to essentially know the True History/Find One Piece (and therefore, become Pirate King) in order to "challenge" the WG, as vague as that is.
The Laugh Tale plot is likely intertwined with the war which comes after Wano.
 
#15
The thing is i don't see the part after wano to be really linear ie wano then elbal then laugh tale then one piece, but rather circumstancial due to dealing with sabo's issue and the attack on tenryubito where most likely even fujitora took part even indirectly. Not only that but Vivi too is said to be endangered. So everything after wano imo will more likely look like a fight against the clock and not linear as it was for Roger. And during their rescuing, the SH will most likely meet BB and will face not, most likely not on Laugh Tale.
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think about the reverie arc, and add to this the fact that 2 yonko taken down and some revelations - most likely linked to the Road poneglyth or whatever is on wano - and you'll have your biggest war. But this doesn't mean that it will be directly after Wano ends, it can be installed durably and really start officially after the finding of the OP.Well this is how i see it.
We'll see how the mid Acts and post-Wano plotlines play out first. I personally don't think Luffy will veer from his initial course until the Journey is done. We have to even see if Sabo/Vivi/Hancock are even in distress first, it could all have entirely been red herrings from Oda.


I personally think that, like Rayleigh told Robin, we will "take our time" until we reach the end of the journey. Luffy will reach the end of the New World, and then to Laugh Tale, just as the story has intended. Only then will things propel the series to its actual conclusion.
 
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Oda's answer suggests the Grand War happens before Luffy is PK which contradicts your point.
That argument never made sense though. Not even from the narrative from the story of which we've known for years. Whitebeard said "Once someone finds that Treasure (The One Piece) it will spark a war that will engulf the World in flames." Since day one we've known that once Luffy finds the One Piece, he will become the King of the pirates. So how can that war come before Luffy becomes Pirate King, if finding the One Piece both sparks the war and makes Luffy King of the Pirates?
 
#17
The Laugh Tale plot is likely intertwined with the war which comes after Wano.
See, this I personally doubt and I though this was very clear from Oda's answer. Luffy's "journey" and "what is One Piece?" are not part of the war Oda is also discussing.

I do agree that the War will be setup and possibly even start prior to Luffy becoming PK, but I don't think the Strawhats will be fundamentally involved until after. Just my opinion based on what characters have said in the story.
 
#18
We'll see how the mid Acts and post-Wano plotlines play out first. I personally don't think Luffy will veer from his initial course until the Journey is done. We have to even see if Sabo/Vivi/Hancock are even in distress first, it could all have entirely been red herrings from Oda.


I personally think that, like Rayleigh told Robin, we will "take our time" until we reach the end of the journey. Luffy will reach the end of the New World, and then to Laugh Tale, just as the story has intended. Only then will things propel the series to its actual conclusion.
When, indeed we will see how it turns out. But if really they are in a situation of life and death, then luffy will come no matter what. He already did go against his initial course, and until very recently didn't actually haven't any.
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That argument never made sense though. Not even from the narrative from the story of which we've known for years. Whitebeard said "Once someone finds that Treasure (The One Piece) it will spark a war that will engulf the World in flames." Since day one we've known that once Luffy finds the One Piece, he will become the King of the pirates. So how can that war come before Luffy becomes Pirate King, if finding the One Piece both sparks the war and makes Luffy King of the Pirates?
It's all about how the reverie will end. To be fair, i see an unofficial "biggest war" to be already started and to grow until they find the OP, like it was the case for example during the cold war, where every main force - here mostly revolutionaries, luffy's allies and crew indirecly, and the WG - will enhance itself and fight each other indirectly.
 
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That argument never made sense though. Not even from the narrative from the story of which we've known for years. Whitebeard said "Once someone finds that Treasure (The One Piece) it will spark a war that will engulf the World in flames." Since day one we've known that once Luffy finds the One Piece, he will become the King of the pirates. So how can that war come before Luffy becomes Pirate King, if finding the One Piece both sparks the war and makes Luffy King of the Pirates?
That's not what Whitebeard says though, he first says the WG et al are fearful of when the whole world is engulfed in war, and then when talking about finding One Piece specifically, WB says that day when somebody finds that treasure, the world will turn upside down.
 
#20
Oda said the biggest war ever will start after Wano, and it will be very long
I think he says "Luffy will be propelled into the big war"

As in the way From punk hazard to Wano is a preparation for this Yonkou war with momma and kaido. After wano we start preparing for The final war.

It's kind of like let's say Wano ends in two years. There will be two years left for Luffy to reach Laugh tale. That's the full five years from the original prediction.

But everything after Wano is preparation for the final war. Like even finding one piece is set up for the final war. Which kicks off immediately after luffy finds one piece
 
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