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[Doggo]

Judge and Caesar weren’t full bad guys during their stories

They were. Judge made a surgery on his own pregnant wife, twice, turned his children into mindless war machines.
Ceasar turned children into drug addicts to keep them prisoners and experimented on them.


Just because Judge had a shred of "light" in helping Sanji and the SHs later, and Ceasar had funny gags as Gastino, doesn't change the fact that they were both 100% certified pieces of shit.

Queen had a lot of funny gags as well and he was still a dick.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don’t know if Queen will join

Judge and Caesar weren’t full bad guys during their stories while Queen was a full piece of shit, this is why Judge and Caesar can have this little adventure

I don’t see Queen joining this

But can happen too. Someone like Wapol had an adventure too and was a crappy guy

I don’t see Sanji controlling them too. It would be weird.

If they appear again Egghead can be good but outside of that I don’t see where they fit

Judge and Caesar are still shitty people looking to create WMDs and super soldiers. Just cause they did one decent thing doesn’t redeem them.

 

[RayanOO]

They were. Judge made a surgery on his own pregnant wife, twice, turned his children into mindless war machines.
Ceasar turned children into drug addicts to keep them prisoners and experimented on them.


Just because Judge had a shred of "light" in helping Sanji and the SHs later, and Ceasar had funny gags as Gastino, doesn't change the fact that they were both 100% certified pieces of shit.

Queen had a lot of funny gags as well and he was still a dick.

Yeah but it’s because Judge final moments with Sanji and him breaking down with BM. Especially with the other Germa kids changing (just a little but still)
And Caesar gag moments, him « working » with SH against BM etc
That we can buy them being somewhat allies in the end without it being too weird

While Queen is 100% an enemy and a huge dick.

Would be weird to have him joining somewhat helping in the end

But why not, that can happen too

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah but it’s because Judge final moments with Sanji and him breaking down with BM. Especially with the other Germa kids changing (just a little but still)
And Caesar gag moments, him « working » with SH against BM etc
That we can buy them being somewhat allies in the end without it being too weird

While Queen is 100% an enemy and a huge dick.

Would be weird to have him joining somewhat helping in the end

But why not, that can happen too

Judges final moments with Sanji was him calling him broken and a failure.

 

[Doggo]

Yeah but it’s because Judge final moments with Sanji and him breaking down with BM. Especially with the other Germa kids changing (just a little but still)
And Caesar gag moments, him « working » with SH against BM etc
That we can buy them being somewhat allies in the end without it being too weird

While Queen is 100% an enemy and a huge dick.

Would be weird to have him joining somewhat helping in the end

But why not, that can happen too

The Vinsmoke siblings are victims.
Judge is just scum.

Ceasar had no choice. It was on his best interest that they killed BM, since she was chasing him.

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@RayanOO just because a shitty father like Endeavor had a redemption arc, doesn't mean every shitty father gets one as well.

 

[RayanOO]

The Vinsmoke siblings are victims.
Judge is just scum.

Ceasar had no choice. It was on his best interest that they killed BM, since she was chasing him.

I don’t deny them being scum

but the story was heading for them to be redeemed / or at least wasn’t focusing on their bad side anymore and focused on other thing.

It’s like Caribou : the man is a huge pile of shit yet his whole story is heading for him to be a little bit redeemed, be a comic relief, saving old grandma, becoming a fake revolutionary leader, helping SH in Wano etc.

I think Caribou has more chance to be an ally one day than Queen

Even if he is a piece of shit

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It’s quite certain than Germa will becoming ally one day at least cordial / friendly with Sanji

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don’t deny them being scum

but the story was heading for them to be redeemed / or at least wasn’t focusing on their bad side anymore and focused on other thing.

It’s like Caribou : the man is a huge pile of shit yet his whole story is heading for him to be a little bit redeemed, be a comic relief, saving old grandma, becoming a fake revolutionary leader, helping SH in Wano etc.

I think Caribou has more chance to be an ally one day than Queen

Even if he is a piece of shit

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It’s quite certain than Germa will becoming ally one day at least cordial / friendly with Sanji

Ichiji and Reiju along with Sanjis other siblings will ally with Sanji, but Judge and Caesar nah

 

[RayanOO]

The Vinsmoke siblings are victims.
Judge is just scum.

Ceasar had no choice. It was on his best interest that they killed BM, since she was chasing him.

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@RayanOO just because a shitty father like Endeavor had a redemption arc, doesn't mean every shitty father gets one as well.

Endy best boy 🔥

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Ichiji and Reiju along with Sanjis other siblings will ally with Sanji, but Judge and Caesar nah

Maybe but they won’t be enemies either

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Endy best boy 🔥

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Maybe but they won’t be enemies either

Why not be enemies? They’re still evil scientists

 

[Soleus]

To add to what Rayan is saying, I think Oda is attempting at some measure of "redemption" or at least rapproachment with Judge and Ceasar, as opposed to Queen. Doesn't mean that that we as readers have to agree, though. Oda has definetly pulled this stuff before. Seemingly unredeemable villains entering grey areas in which they display "good" actions and with time rehabilitated in the eyes of at least some readers - in essence just by hanging out with the strawhats. Judge at the end of WCI arc and Caesar post Punk Hazard are definitive examples of such attempts, and this is how they differ from Queen. He was purely "evil", cartoonishly evil, with Oda doubling down on the genocide theme with Queens weapon arsenal, but lacks the post-villain companionship with the strawhats and rapproachment given to the other two. I don't think Oda expects to convince all fans. The "greyness" of the OP world kinda extends to the real world in that sense.

 

[RayanOO]

Why not be enemies? They’re still evil scientists

They can be but we’re past the moment where they are foes to the SH

 

[Sir Yasheen]

They can be but we’re past the moment where they are foes to the SH

Fair. I think Judge will fight Ichiji Niji and Yonji and Reiju will fight CC tbh

 

[Hiragaro]

You fools don’t know what’s coming for Sanji next chapter

 

[Soleus]

You fools don’t know what’s coming for Sanji next chapter

My man your sig really doesn't harmonize with your comments. Come on tell me about that suffering, I wanna hear it.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

My man your sig really doesn't harmonize with your comments. Come on tell me about that suffering, I wanna hear it.

Nice Sanji avi. He looks like he's about to enter a massive instance of road rage

 

[Soleus]

Nice Sanji avi. He looks like he's about to enter a massive instance of road rage

What avi are you referring to?

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Nevermind I thought you said sig, lol. Thanks heh

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Sanji bros.....

 

[Kotone]

Bonney can use her power on Sanji ?
Make him older and at his strongest ?



One more thing Sanji ACOC ?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Bonney can use her power on Sanji ?
Make him older and at his strongest ?



One more thing Sanji ACOC ?

Don't think that how it works imo.

Reverse aging yes but Sanji getting older doesn't change the current strength that he currently has.

And Sanji Adv CoC is a maybe.

 

[Soleus]