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PuckTheGreat

PuckTheGreat

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Julius said:
We need to see Anti Manner Kick Course again, or something likely fr
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100% ^^
That was one of his coolest attacks pre-ts

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Btw how are y'all leaning with regards to who you think Sanji's opponent will be this arc? and whether or not it aligns with who you actually want him to fight.

Reckon there are only two options this arc with regards to individual opponents for him:
- Domi Reversi Dorry or Broggy in a either 1 v 1s or a 2 v 2 with Zoro
- Sommers

Domi Reversi Luffy I think is a potential option for a group fight with all of the SHs kinda like what happened with Oars on Thriller Bark

Anyways group matchup aside, narratively speaking from a sheer feats/portrayal standpoint, I feel like Dorry and Broggy are the better choice, irregardless of how fun it'd be to see the extreme Zoro fanboy crying about it lol
- Either one of them is a 1.8 bil pirate.

- They are giants so their raw strength stats are pretty high even more so since they've been amped up by Imu.

- Their attack and defensive skills as a duo are pretty high with Hakoku and Svalinn and I'd imagine those two skills are incomparable to how they were before with their Domi Reversi buffs.

- They are giants with flight which gives them mobility giants don't ordinarily have. If their speed stats have been amped up as well and they move anything like how Oars did pre-ts then they are gonna be pretty OP.

So that fight has a lot of potential and would make for great viewing.
Not to mention that Sanji defeating a "King" of Elbaf I think would be great for his chances of awakening CoC or at the very least good build up leading towards it.


Then there's Sommers who I'm personally not keen on but could also be an interesting match purely from the standpoint of PoL (Power of Love) getting fleshed out a bit more.

What do y'all think?
 
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Raiden7

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PuckTheGreat said:
100% ^^
That was one of his coolest attacks pre-ts

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A fucking missile at full speed. Unbelievable :stealthblack:

PuckTheGreat said:
Btw how are y'all leaning with regards to who you think Sanji's opponent will be this arc? and whether or not it aligns with who you actually want him to fight.

Reckon there are only two options this arc with regards to individual opponents for him:
- Domi Reversi Dorry or Broggy in a either 1 v 1s or a 2 v 2 with Zoro
- Sommers

Domi Reversi Luffy I think is a potential option for a group fight with all of the SHs kinda like what happened with Oars on Thriller Bark

Anyways group matchup aside, narratively speaking from a sheer feats/portrayal standpoint, I feel like Dorry and Broggy are the better choice, irregardless of how fun it'd be to see the extreme Zoro fanboy crying about it lol
- Either one of them is a 1.8 bil pirate.

- They are giants so their raw strength stats are pretty high even more so since they've been amped up by Imu.

- Their attack and defensive skills as a duo are pretty high with Hakoku and Svalinn and I'd imagine those two skills are incomparable to how they were before with their Domi Reversi buffs.

- They are giants with flight which gives them mobility giants don't ordinarily have. If their speed stats have been amped up as well and they move anything like how Oars did pre-ts then they are gonna be pretty OP.

So that fight has a lot of potential and would make for great viewing.
Not to mention that Sanji defeating a "King" of Elbaf I think would be great for his chances of awakening CoC or at the very least good build up leading towards it.


Then there's Sommers who I'm personally not keen on but could also be an interesting match purely from the standpoint of PoL (Power of Love) getting fleshed out a bit more.

What do y'all think?
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I'm still set on Dori/Brogi. Watch it on how they can get normal human size to fight better :CoolPeace:
 
Rumble

Rumble

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Jackteo said:
You probably won't believe me but I crave Rankyaku more than CoC. At this point almost everyone has accepted Sanji unlocking CoC, Rankyaku is still up for debate :hope:
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You right, I don't believe you, because Sanji awakening CoC will be more kino than you're currently able of imagining. :zehaha:


Maybe ranged attacks will become part of his arsenal when he learns CoC Infusion and/or CoA Emission.
 
Doggo

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
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Jackteo said:
You probably won't believe me but I crave Rankyaku more than CoC. At this point almost everyone has accepted Sanji unlocking CoC, Rankyaku is still up for debate :hope:
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You remember the cheetu vs morel fight where cheetu develops a xbow ability?
Morel calls him stupid for creating an ability that is slower than cheetu himself.
Thats how i feel about rangyaku currently.
 
Rumble

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Doggo said:
You remember the cheetu vs morel fight where cheetu develops a xbow ability?
Morel calls him stupid for creating an ability that is slower than cheetu himself.
Thats how i feel about rangyaku currently.
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I get the logic, but I don't think an attack slower than Sanji is necessarily a bad thing, because that attack can still be fast as fuck, still add needed dimensions to Sanji's game, and be exploited tactically.
 
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kekaro

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Rumble said:
I get the logic, but I don't think an attack slower than Sanji is necessarily a bad thing, because that attack can still be fast as fuck, still add needed dimensions to Sanji's game, and exploited tactically.
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The thing is ranged attack are there for if they are a faster b have better mobility
Sanji has not a problem with both, he is one the fastest character with the best mobility, including air
Like i cant remember a moment at the top of my head post-ts where i would think "yeah this would be totally different if he had a range attack"
Yeah geniuenly more things avaible > less things avaible but oda doesnt write like that
The thing sanji currently lacks to compete with every stat to the biggest toptiers he has really only AP
Sanji has no Endurance problems whatsoever seen on Egghead, he can use his strongest move and full arsenal with no breaks and not being pressed what so ever
Sanji due to his exo can now tank multiple top tier attacks and coming out of it more clean than people that ate non attack at all, seen in Egghead
Sanji can in the air catch up to in the air Kizaru to block intercept his lasers, seen as he protected kuma mid air
Sanji tends to the smartest Strawhat in Combat seen with Kaku


I guess you can make the argument that he would have a huge DC attack which he lacks with something like rankyaku but DC in one piece is 99% aurafarming and not doing anything relevant anyways
 
Rumble

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kekaro said:
The thing is ranged attack are there for if they are a faster b have better mobility
Sanji has not a problem with both, he is one the fastest character with the best mobility, including air
Like i cant remember a moment at the top of my head post-ts where i would think "yeah this would be totally different if he had a range attack"
Yeah geniuenly more things avaible > less things avaible but oda doesnt write like that
The thing sanji currently lacks to compete with every stat to the biggest toptiers he has really only AP
Sanji has no Endurance problems whatsoever seen on Egghead, he can use his strongest move and full arsenal with no breaks and not being pressed what so ever
Sanji due to his exo can now tank multiple top tier attacks and coming out of it more clean than people that ate non attack at all, seen in Egghead
Sanji can in the air catch up to in the air Kizaru to block intercept his lasers, seen as he protected kuma mid air
Sanji tends to the smartest Strawhat in Combat seen with Kaku


I guess you can make the argument that he would have a huge DC attack which he lacks with something like rankyaku but DC in one piece is 99% aurafarming and not doing anything relevant anyways
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I think ranged attacks being faster is a nice-to-have, but not at all a necessity, nor necessarily preferable, depending on the context.

Akainu's DF has devastating long range attacks, but they're not exactly fast. Luffy moves faster than most of his attacks. Kizaru can both attack and move at the speed of light.

I think a ranged attack for Sanji is needed because he has to otherwise physically move to accomplish things, which is more troublesome if there are multiple targets/priorities at once.

It would be much more preferable if Sanji could, for example, take to the sky and wipe out multiple enemy ships to clear a path for the Sunny, crowd control or cut down infrastructure - without moving from his area/position.

Being able to zoom about and fire off ranged attacks from many angles at once allows Sanji FAR greater ability to set up his close quarter attacks, combos and finishers.

Having ranged attacks would also allow Sanji to manipulate the movements and trajectories of his targets, which in turn could allow him to intercept with devastating consequences.

It cannot be understated how greatly ranged attacks, cutting attacks, and ranged cutting attacks especially would expand the dimensions to Sanji's fighting style.

His options in combat would grow immensely.
 
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kekaro

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Rumble said:
I think ranged attacks being faster is a nice-to-have, but not at all a necessity, nor necessarilyp preferable.

Akainu's DF has devastating long range attacks but they're not exactly fast. Luffy moves faster than move of his attacks. Kizaru can both attack and move at the speed of light.

I do think a ranged attack for Sanji is needed because otherwise he has to physically move himself, which is more troublesome if therre are multiple targets/priorities.

It would be much more preferable if Sanji could, for example, take to the sky and wipe out multiple enemy ships at once to clear a path for the Sunny.

Being able to zoom about and fire off ranged attacks from many angles at once allows Sanji FAR greater ability to set up his close quarter attacks, combos and finishers.

Having ranged attacks would also allow Sanji to manipulate the movements and trajectories of his targets, which in turn could allow him to intercept with devastating consequences.

It cannot be understated how greatly ranged attacks, cutting attacks, and ranged cutting attacks especially would expand the dimensions to Sanji's fighting style.

His options in combat would immensely.
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I agree that it would be useful in narrative moments like the ship example you used but than i think the problem i said with that in the past is that Oda just dont wants give slicing attacks so at most it would be a shockwae like attack like Hakuko.
I guess if there is arc oda would do that its now or never i would say
 
Rumble

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kekaro said:
I agree that it would be useful in narrative moments like the ship example you used but than i think the problem i said with that in the past is that Oda just dont wants give slicing attacks so at most it would be a shockwae like attack like Hakuko.
I guess if there is arc oda would do that its now or never i would say
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Logically, if Sanj is able to adapt the mechanics of Rankyaku for original techniques, it follows he would be capable of ranged cutting attacks.

That doesn't mean that would have to be the only type of ranged attacks Sanji could do, nor would that be my preference.


Considering swords are routinely blocked by Haki-clad limbs in this series, I don't think Sanji having cutting attacks would be of any concern.

If anything, Sanji being able to do cutting attacks with his legs would make up for the fact he doesn't use his hands, i.e. blades weapons. Allowing him to cut would have added more dimension to his cooking themed fighting style. Just imagine if he could repeat some of his moves from his fight with Wanze against even more capable opponents.

Imagine if he could coat those cutting attacks with fire and Haki, and superheated fire and electrified plasma when using Ifrit.

Just picture the ranged potential of Spectre for bomb attacks and cutting attacks.



The ranged properties of this move are anime-only, but imagine if Sanji could do a whole list of moves like this in the manga that incorporate various combinations of:
  • Diable Jambe for fire blades and bombs
  • Ifrit Jambe for superheated fire and electrified plasma blades and bombs
  • Hell Memories
  • CoA
  • CoA Emission
  • CoC
  • CoC Infusion
I could keep going for ages, but the point is that ranged attacks, of any nature but cutting attacks especially, would add much needed dimension to Sanji's game. It also allows for more cleaner paths for developing his advanced Armament abilities.
 
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RayanOO

RayanOO

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Rumble said:
Logically, if Sanj is able to adapt the mechanics of Rankyaku for original techniques, it follows he would be capable of ranged cutting attacks.

That doesn't mean that would have to be the only type of ranged attacks Sanji could do, nor would that be my preference.


Considering swords are routinely blocked by Haki-clad limbs in this series, I don't think Sanji having cutting attacks would be of any concern.

If anything, Sanji being able to do cutting attacks with his legs would make up for the fact he doesn't use his hands, i.e. blades weapons. Allowing him to cut would have added more dimension to his cooking themed fighting style. Just imagine if he could repeat some of his moves from his fight with Wanze against even more capable opponents.

Imagine if he could coat those cutting attacks with fire and Haki, and superheated fire and electrified plasma when using Ifrit.

Just picture the ranged potential of Spectre for bomb attacks and cutting attacks.



The ranged properties of this move are anime-only, but imagine if Sanji could do a whole list of moves like this in the manga that incorporate various combinations of:
  • Diable Jambe for fire blades and bombs
  • Ifrit Jambe for superheated fire and electrified plasma blades and bombs
  • Hell Memories
  • CoA
  • CoA Emission
  • CoC
  • CoC Infusion
I could keep going for ages, but the point is that ranged attacks, of any nature but cutting attacks especially, would add much needed dimension to Sanji's game. It also allows for more cleaner paths for developing his advanced Armament abilities.
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This could have been easily explained by Sanji having learnt the « wink » technique from Iva and being able to use ranged moves

Could have been great, but sadly Oda didn’t go with this route at all

Except the recipes Sanji didn’t learn any newkama kempo move it’s a shame
 
Rumble

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RayanOO said:
This could have been easily explained by Sanji having learnt the « wink » technique from Iva and being able to use ranged moves

Could have been great, but sadly Oda didn’t go with this route at all

Except the recipes Sanji didn’t learn any newkama kempo move it’s a shame
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The wink technique mechanics being adapted to work with his eyebrow would be crazy. :kobeha:

I think I'd rather Sanji just rip off Rankyaku though.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it or seeing what I want to see, but believing this to be an objective observation: it seems like Oda has gone out of his way to just pile on feats for Sanji especially since the start of Egghead.

I don't know if that is as a response to some of the discourse on how people perceive Sanji relative to Luffy and Zoro, but whatever the reason: Egghead was especially generous to Sanji with feats.

From sensing Bonney in the water to outpacing and destroying lasers, hurting and dura negging a Seraphim, and generally having good amazing speed feats.








 
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