General & Others They might not solo YC1/2 this arc

#61
Wasn't Law credited with taking down Doffy as well(by newspaper, not Meme). Can't remember exactly.
Luffy was credited with that, based on Cracker saying Luffy beat Doflamingo. But point still stands best combat feats dont result in highest bounty coming out of the arc especially when there's already a solid gap between the bounties.

Mihawk displayed better combat feats than Shanks to the world to be recognized as the WSS. Shanks still has a higher bounty probably.
 
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Jo_Ndule

#64
Oda already made Zoro have help to finish Pica
So this "zoro will solo, not have any help" isn't guaranteed since Zoro himself ask for help in some battles.

If Zoro needed help vs Pica golem , why would it be a shame vs a YC?

We have so many characters for the war, also probably the Navy could join too. And the chance of Luffy defeating Kaido with help is very high. I can see Killer and Zoro taking on King while Sanji with either Apoo/xDrake take on Queen.

Let not forget, both Jack and Kaido battle gonna be teamfights, why Oda should decide to make 1on1 fight for Queen and King then if Jack and Kaido getting beaten in teamfights.

The alliance has many strong characters, also Killer is Zoro "rival" as Kid is Luffy rival. His captain fight together with Luffy against Kaido, so it would make sense if Killer also fight with Zoro together against King.

That is at least my bet for the battles in Onigashima/Wano.
Makes sense to me. Luffy isn't going to beat Kaido entirely by himself, so I'm not sure why Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei would win their fights all by their own either.

I still think they'll do the majority of the work, but they will get help in some form of the other. I think it'll be more like the Cracker fight (Nami as backup but not getting involved in the face to face) than Doflamingo (Law landing serious hits on him, a horde of fodder as backup).
Oda can very well make them have help vs YCs as he wants
 
#65
I think the problem is that if Zoro and Sanji are able to solo King/Queen this arc , it will be hard to make the fights against Blackbeard commanders look like a real challenge for them. That problem could be solved by having Blackbeard and his crew kill the red haired pirates or something very impressive, I guess.
 
#67
I think the problem is that if Zoro and Sanji are able to solo King/Queen this arc , it will be hard to make the fights against Blackbeard commanders look like a real challenge for them. That problem could be solved by having Blackbeard and his crew kill the red haired pirates or something very impressive, I guess.
Just make them stronger. BB will be > WB and Roger, why shouldn't his crew be > theirs?
 

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#70
I think the problem is that if Zoro and Sanji are able to solo King/Queen this arc , it will be hard to make the fights against Blackbeard commanders look like a real challenge for them. That problem could be solved by having Blackbeard and his crew kill the red haired pirates or something very impressive, I guess.
Why shiryu will be a stronger version of oden.
 
#74
Oda can very well end Teach in this saga too
Teach will remain the only Yonko anyway when all 3 fall, he doesnt even have to be above Roger WB kaido.
Just near them will make him Luffy hreattes solo battle.

BM making it past wano arc is 60% doable
Teach making it past Yonko saga is 55% doable
Still haven't refuted anything i said yet. "Oda will do this/that with the plot" you're forcing scenarios without proofs to grant Big Mom a nonsense fighting role. fact is, it's heavily implied Teach will outlive all the Yonko as the main/secondary antagonist of the entire story. "Teach is just a Yonko" when was it even implied that he reached his peak to the point of not further powering up? are we forgetting he's also part of the worst generation while Big Mom was reigning for decades? the other Yonko were driven to their very wit's end because they were in a deadlock along with Whitebeard for years, unable to evolve anymore as proven when Big Mom sought help from Elbaf in order to overpower the other Yonko.

On the contrary, Teach never stopped at a certain point like they did, he worked all the way up to the top and he's still climbing the PK height which Big Mom gave up on without external help. from a low-level whitebeard pirate, to an independent pirate captain, to a Warlord after beating the PK's son, to an extremely powerful new world veteran, to a newborn Yonko after crushing Marco. his growth is in sync with someone like Luffy/Kid/Zoro, after all he's part of the same generation but is a step ahead of his rivals. Him undergoing the Yonko stage doesn't mean he won't be able to reach something HIGHER. In contrast, Teach is 99% implied to consume the strongest Zoan soon fitting the number three theme roaming around him. when he awakens every devil fruit in his possession, there's literally no argument to be made for Roger/WB being above him, that's the simplest logic of Shonen regarding final antagonists.

None of the Yonko is perceived as significant as EoS Teach, therefore, no Yonko would have a bigger antagonistic role than him since He has been established as Luffy's most prominent rival and his biggest pirate enemy for the span of 700 chapters. not only showed the same carefree attitude/believing in fate like the protagonist but also encouraged him to pursue his dream. The parallels/links between him and Rocks D. Xebec (Yonko's leader) are many that's easy for someone to presume they're relatives/Teach's aware of him. and Sengoku said that Rocks was Roger's greatest enemy, Both Luffy/Teach are D. members too.

The order in which they would fall is: Kaido/BM>Shanks>Blackbeard
 
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stealthblack

#78
Sanji and zolo are not taking on yc1 and yc2 before they train beating doflamingo, cracker, katakuri. Much less fuckin kaidou lol
 
#80
Don't know for sanji but zoro is definitely taking part in a fight against someone at least yc2 in onigashima and probably help against kaido.
For sanji on the other hand,i think he will fight a big mom commander as he has unfinished business with them.
Maybe perospero has been promoted sweet commander and sanji fights him.
If not,sanji will fight snack since he can't fight smoothie(unless smoothie is revealed not to be a girl,in that case sanji fights her).
 
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