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Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
@Ratchet Idk it's just sth I have observed when playing with Tris and find that funny lol.


As for Doddsy I just wanna know if he's scum or Indie again. Never encountered Town Doddsy :optimistic:.


My vote and heals are up for grabs again today. First come, first served.
Well naturally, I will ask for the heals.
 

EkkoLoJinx

How far I'll go...
First Disclaimer - This was pre-written over the night phase. I have not, unfortunately, managed to break the record for typed words per minute.

Second Disclaimer - I had read the last 5 pages of the thread before beginning this post, so the quotes taken are informed by the revelations from the end of the day phase. This is why the likes of Pero doesn't feature prominently.

Third Disclaimer - Apologies for the harsh tone taken here at several intervals. It's not personal.
I can assure you there is 0% chance of you sitting on any throne if this is the output you're going to provide. Fluff and worthless commentary does not a good King make.
Where does this even come from? You got the wagon to 6 quite easily, I don't really see why you felt the need to build it so far when there was never really any basis behind. Did you expect Ekko to crack?
Qualify this, please.
At this point, the game was only 5 hours old. And besides, it's not like randomly asking players to vote is driving the game anywhere useful either.
Not really. I suppose yes to the former, actually, but the latter is a reasonable position to hold. People tend to assume that, when they're tagged to vote, they're being asked to do so for a reason. Remember most of these will not have read the game. Asking why seems in line with reason to me, because they simply might just be clueless.
Well, I could have told you that would happen before you even began. Pointlessly piling votes onto a player is, shockingly, pointless. I appreciate the attempt to engage, but it was never going to yield much from the start. Right idea, poor execution.
Let's not sart making sweeping (and inaccurate) statements about what a townie would or would not do.
I mean, it can't really get a lo simpler. It's just hit majority and then have an extra vote afterwards to lock the lynch in. Beyond that you'll need to read to understand the roles in play.

These posts come back to back. First you ask for reads, and then, when you're asked for them back, you qualify them with "well, nothing has really happened". So why are you asking for them in the first place? It feels to me like you originally asked that question for the sake of it. Not scummy, per se, but performative on some level.
...What? The "Watson" is a pretty common archetype to denote the asistant to a detective. According to Knox's 9th, the Watson is actually more of a plot element designed to allow the reader to compete with someone of slightly lower-than-average intelligence (of the readers themselves, not in general), because it's typically unfair to compete with the Detective. I'm very interested in seeing how you came to the conclusion it was a hint rather than an invitation to partner up.
You've mentioned this several times by now. If you're not going to make a case, you can just leave it. It doesn;t need repeating again and again.

You are certainly not getting the throne next.
It remains unqualified, though.
I mean, given that he expressed a town read of Light, you would expect him to defend his town reads, yes?
Ekko, you earlier used the term "FoS". FoS (Finger of Suspicion) is there to cast the idea of suspicion without having any mechanical consequences in the game (like a vote). This position seems strange to come from someone familiar with and actively using the term.
And why is that?
I mean, it's better than just going in agreement with them, but Null is basically no opinion too.
Well we have an opinion, but it's about as vague and useless as it could be. You really might as well be saying the stars told you.
I think that was fairly implicit, yes.
You seem to be entirely uninterested with actually attempting to engage with the game on any level of solving here.
Yes, agreed. Good post.
I can't remember why I quoted this, sorry.
Then start? What you're doing now surely won't be cracking any eggs open here.
So I find it interesting that you omit Drago here, but include Conq specifically, despite him having maybe one post at this point. Why does he deserve an explicit mention, and not to be grouped into the "others didn't really post yet" pile, and yet Drago has none?
I am sure you must have a better process of reading players than just how little they seem to care about the game. This is pretty poor reasoning, especially given the level of conviction you had earlier over Pero.
I don't understand why it being a game would preclude you from engaging with that game?
So why not mention in that list "Null, because I don't know how to read him"? You saw fit to say several players didn't ping you, and naught else, so you could at least provide that much for Drago.
I mean, that has no bearing on this game.
If you're not going to actually establish a reverse volume tell, what is this post doing?
Yeah, this doesn't strike me as genuine. I know you are more sincere than this, Rottkins.
Both of them are just Mafia on easy mode.
Why do you feel the need to defend her on the basis of meta?
No one is going to listen to any legacy you have when you've so far done nothing to give anyone a reason to do so.
You would expect them to reply, yes?
Do yu think he would need to overextend to lynch you here? On the basis of your play to date?
I don't know if I agree that TMI must be the reason, but holistically yes, good post.
Are you planning on actually pushing this lynch at all, or just asking people about it?
Yes, I see that.
Strike 1. Why are you even invested in the outcome here? You offer several posts around Doddsy, and I don't know why.
So in other words, scummy behaviour. Can you explain then why that doesn't translate to a scum read?
You can't just ask people to unvote without giving a better suggestion as to where they should vote instead, especially if you tag them.
So you were planning on wasting the first half of the day anyway?
Give them a reason?
Okay, then instead of being ambivalent around this position, stick to it. If you don't want to be tagged, then you don't need to offer suggestions. I will not aim to impede your wincon Flower, but I will need you to work with me.
Are you planning on elaborating here?
Yes, that's fair. I had the same impression in my skim through.
Strike 2. Any roles that can discern this are few and far between, so anyone who comes forward answering this risks exposing themselves needlessly. I'm going to need you to start thinking these comments through more before you post them.
Then let's hear a better option?
Yes, if you want to play like a literal ape, carry on. Claiming is a part of Mafia, I haven't read a single quality post from you up to this point, or even really an attempt to play the game. You've earned your position.
Again, you can't just demand people vote without giving a reason? If someone reads this post and decides to sheep, then what? How does that help anyone?
I'm not sure it even really matters, to be honest. Just do whatever you feel like for now.
Yes, agreed. Alas, we're dealing with... well, I won't be mean.
If Zolo insists on only posting that, then it's very much within my interests that he's at least pressured into claiming. Otherwise how will I ever read him? Guess?
I feel like you're just parroting here.

So, talk me through this please. You seem to be implying that Ekko could be scum with Pero and not voting to save him. Can you explain, then, why Ekko doesn't just dip from the thread and not post, instead of post and make it overt that he wants to take the lynch away from Pero? I don't really feel like you've thought this out at all.
I mean, I guess compromise is good, but the fact you seem to not even mention that you're compromising by voting your town read here is alarming to me.
Yes, how very glib. If you'd claimed when you were first pushed to L-1 it could have all been avoided.
Yes, good post.
You are still a town vote.
Well then you could have done more to push that.

I've typed this all up between 1-2 am and I'm getting tired and my fingers are beginning to get sore, so the following reads list will be without qualification.

Flowa - Indie
Ekko - Town
Yelan - Scum
Pero - Town
Conq - Scum
Nana - Null/Town
Reborn - Null/Town
Doddsy - Null/Scum
hime - Scum
Dragomir - Town
Lord Melkor - Null/Scum
Xlaw - Null/Scum
Zolo - Scum
QueenEmilia - Null
Rottkins - Null/Scum
Light - Town
Lanji - Null/Scum
does any of this need immediate response? i didnt read the whole thing

welcome to the game

disagree with the hime read btw. shes most likely town.

and reborn im null/scum on him probably

rest i more or less on board with
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
does any of this need immediate response? i didnt read the whole thing

welcome to the game

disagree with the hime read btw. shes most likely town.

and reborn im null/scum on him probably

rest i more or less on board with
I came out of my quote wall with the impression that Hime was the Princess, actually.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
And no, given my slot was a 0 poster consider it more a baseline to work from. It doesn't require any pressing response, though reading it is probably worth if only to begin to get some sort of read on me.
 

Yuelyn

𝒞𝓇𝒾𝓂𝓈𝑜𝓃 𝑅𝒶𝒾𝓃 𝒮𝑜𝓊𝑔𝒽𝓉 𝐹𝓁𝑜𝓌𝑒𝓇
First Disclaimer - This was pre-written over the night phase. I have not, unfortunately, managed to break the record for typed words per minute.

Second Disclaimer - I had read the last 5 pages of the thread before beginning this post, so the quotes taken are informed by the revelations from the end of the day phase. This is why the likes of Pero doesn't feature prominently.

Third Disclaimer - Apologies for the harsh tone taken here at several intervals. It's not personal.
I can assure you there is 0% chance of you sitting on any throne if this is the output you're going to provide. Fluff and worthless commentary does not a good King make.
Where does this even come from? You got the wagon to 6 quite easily, I don't really see why you felt the need to build it so far when there was never really any basis behind. Did you expect Ekko to crack?
Qualify this, please.
At this point, the game was only 5 hours old. And besides, it's not like randomly asking players to vote is driving the game anywhere useful either.
Not really. I suppose yes to the former, actually, but the latter is a reasonable position to hold. People tend to assume that, when they're tagged to vote, they're being asked to do so for a reason. Remember most of these will not have read the game. Asking why seems in line with reason to me, because they simply might just be clueless.
Well, I could have told you that would happen before you even began. Pointlessly piling votes onto a player is, shockingly, pointless. I appreciate the attempt to engage, but it was never going to yield much from the start. Right idea, poor execution.
Let's not sart making sweeping (and inaccurate) statements about what a townie would or would not do.
I mean, it can't really get a lo simpler. It's just hit majority and then have an extra vote afterwards to lock the lynch in. Beyond that you'll need to read to understand the roles in play.

These posts come back to back. First you ask for reads, and then, when you're asked for them back, you qualify them with "well, nothing has really happened". So why are you asking for them in the first place? It feels to me like you originally asked that question for the sake of it. Not scummy, per se, but performative on some level.
...What? The "Watson" is a pretty common archetype to denote the asistant to a detective. According to Knox's 9th, the Watson is actually more of a plot element designed to allow the reader to compete with someone of slightly lower-than-average intelligence (of the readers themselves, not in general), because it's typically unfair to compete with the Detective. I'm very interested in seeing how you came to the conclusion it was a hint rather than an invitation to partner up.
You've mentioned this several times by now. If you're not going to make a case, you can just leave it. It doesn;t need repeating again and again.

You are certainly not getting the throne next.
It remains unqualified, though.
I mean, given that he expressed a town read of Light, you would expect him to defend his town reads, yes?
Ekko, you earlier used the term "FoS". FoS (Finger of Suspicion) is there to cast the idea of suspicion without having any mechanical consequences in the game (like a vote). This position seems strange to come from someone familiar with and actively using the term.
And why is that?
I mean, it's better than just going in agreement with them, but Null is basically no opinion too.
Well we have an opinion, but it's about as vague and useless as it could be. You really might as well be saying the stars told you.
I think that was fairly implicit, yes.
You seem to be entirely uninterested with actually attempting to engage with the game on any level of solving here.
Yes, agreed. Good post.
I can't remember why I quoted this, sorry.
Then start? What you're doing now surely won't be cracking any eggs open here.
So I find it interesting that you omit Drago here, but include Conq specifically, despite him having maybe one post at this point. Why does he deserve an explicit mention, and not to be grouped into the "others didn't really post yet" pile, and yet Drago has none?
I am sure you must have a better process of reading players than just how little they seem to care about the game. This is pretty poor reasoning, especially given the level of conviction you had earlier over Pero.
I don't understand why it being a game would preclude you from engaging with that game?
So why not mention in that list "Null, because I don't know how to read him"? You saw fit to say several players didn't ping you, and naught else, so you could at least provide that much for Drago.
I mean, that has no bearing on this game.
If you're not going to actually establish a reverse volume tell, what is this post doing?
Yeah, this doesn't strike me as genuine. I know you are more sincere than this, Rottkins.
Both of them are just Mafia on easy mode.
Why do you feel the need to defend her on the basis of meta?
No one is going to listen to any legacy you have when you've so far done nothing to give anyone a reason to do so.
You would expect them to reply, yes?
Do yu think he would need to overextend to lynch you here? On the basis of your play to date?
I don't know if I agree that TMI must be the reason, but holistically yes, good post.
Are you planning on actually pushing this lynch at all, or just asking people about it?
Yes, I see that.
Strike 1. Why are you even invested in the outcome here? You offer several posts around Doddsy, and I don't know why.
So in other words, scummy behaviour. Can you explain then why that doesn't translate to a scum read?
You can't just ask people to unvote without giving a better suggestion as to where they should vote instead, especially if you tag them.
So you were planning on wasting the first half of the day anyway?
Give them a reason?
Okay, then instead of being ambivalent around this position, stick to it. If you don't want to be tagged, then you don't need to offer suggestions. I will not aim to impede your wincon Flower, but I will need you to work with me.
Are you planning on elaborating here?
Yes, that's fair. I had the same impression in my skim through.
Strike 2. Any roles that can discern this are few and far between, so anyone who comes forward answering this risks exposing themselves needlessly. I'm going to need you to start thinking these comments through more before you post them.
Then let's hear a better option?
Yes, if you want to play like a literal ape, carry on. Claiming is a part of Mafia, I haven't read a single quality post from you up to this point, or even really an attempt to play the game. You've earned your position.
Again, you can't just demand people vote without giving a reason? If someone reads this post and decides to sheep, then what? How does that help anyone?
I'm not sure it even really matters, to be honest. Just do whatever you feel like for now.
Yes, agreed. Alas, we're dealing with... well, I won't be mean.
If Zolo insists on only posting that, then it's very much within my interests that he's at least pressured into claiming. Otherwise how will I ever read him? Guess?
I feel like you're just parroting here.

So, talk me through this please. You seem to be implying that Ekko could be scum with Pero and not voting to save him. Can you explain, then, why Ekko doesn't just dip from the thread and not post, instead of post and make it overt that he wants to take the lynch away from Pero? I don't really feel like you've thought this out at all.
I mean, I guess compromise is good, but the fact you seem to not even mention that you're compromising by voting your town read here is alarming to me.
Yes, how very glib. If you'd claimed when you were first pushed to L-1 it could have all been avoided.
Yes, good post.
You are still a town vote.
Well then you could have done more to push that.

I've typed this all up between 1-2 am and I'm getting tired and my fingers are beginning to get sore, so the following reads list will be without qualification.

Flowa - Indie
Ekko - Town
Yelan - Scum
Pero - Town
Conq - Scum
Nana - Null/Town
Reborn - Null/Town
Doddsy - Null/Scum
hime - Scum
Dragomir - Town
Lord Melkor - Null/Scum
Xlaw - Null/Scum
Zolo - Scum
QueenEmilia - Null
Rottkins - Null/Scum
Light - Town
Lanji - Null/Scum
Because I remember him posting when I was around. Not sure why it matters that I left Drago out.
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
Because I remember him posting when I was around. Not sure why it matters that I left Drago out.
Well, it matters because it appears to be ambivalent with your treatment of other slots. I'm not sure why Drago doesn't even get a passing mention, but Conq does, even when Conq, by rights, should fit into the sweeping term you gave to the rest. It's inconsistent, and I'd like an explanation.
Was what me?
Why did you label her as scum in that case?
When I made those reads I hadn't really stewed on it. It was only upon reflection I could see a desire to become King, and married that with her lack of interest in scum hunting.
 

Peroroncino

🅷🅰🅻🅰 🅼🅰🅳🆁🅸🅳
First Disclaimer - This was pre-written over the night phase. I have not, unfortunately, managed to break the record for typed words per minute.

Second Disclaimer - I had read the last 5 pages of the thread before beginning this post, so the quotes taken are informed by the revelations from the end of the day phase. This is why the likes of Pero doesn't feature prominently.

Third Disclaimer - Apologies for the harsh tone taken here at several intervals. It's not personal.
I can assure you there is 0% chance of you sitting on any throne if this is the output you're going to provide. Fluff and worthless commentary does not a good King make.
Where does this even come from? You got the wagon to 6 quite easily, I don't really see why you felt the need to build it so far when there was never really any basis behind. Did you expect Ekko to crack?
Qualify this, please.
At this point, the game was only 5 hours old. And besides, it's not like randomly asking players to vote is driving the game anywhere useful either.
Not really. I suppose yes to the former, actually, but the latter is a reasonable position to hold. People tend to assume that, when they're tagged to vote, they're being asked to do so for a reason. Remember most of these will not have read the game. Asking why seems in line with reason to me, because they simply might just be clueless.
Well, I could have told you that would happen before you even began. Pointlessly piling votes onto a player is, shockingly, pointless. I appreciate the attempt to engage, but it was never going to yield much from the start. Right idea, poor execution.
Let's not sart making sweeping (and inaccurate) statements about what a townie would or would not do.
I mean, it can't really get a lo simpler. It's just hit majority and then have an extra vote afterwards to lock the lynch in. Beyond that you'll need to read to understand the roles in play.

These posts come back to back. First you ask for reads, and then, when you're asked for them back, you qualify them with "well, nothing has really happened". So why are you asking for them in the first place? It feels to me like you originally asked that question for the sake of it. Not scummy, per se, but performative on some level.
...What? The "Watson" is a pretty common archetype to denote the asistant to a detective. According to Knox's 9th, the Watson is actually more of a plot element designed to allow the reader to compete with someone of slightly lower-than-average intelligence (of the readers themselves, not in general), because it's typically unfair to compete with the Detective. I'm very interested in seeing how you came to the conclusion it was a hint rather than an invitation to partner up.
You've mentioned this several times by now. If you're not going to make a case, you can just leave it. It doesn;t need repeating again and again.

You are certainly not getting the throne next.
It remains unqualified, though.
I mean, given that he expressed a town read of Light, you would expect him to defend his town reads, yes?
Ekko, you earlier used the term "FoS". FoS (Finger of Suspicion) is there to cast the idea of suspicion without having any mechanical consequences in the game (like a vote). This position seems strange to come from someone familiar with and actively using the term.
And why is that?
I mean, it's better than just going in agreement with them, but Null is basically no opinion too.
Well we have an opinion, but it's about as vague and useless as it could be. You really might as well be saying the stars told you.
I think that was fairly implicit, yes.
You seem to be entirely uninterested with actually attempting to engage with the game on any level of solving here.
Yes, agreed. Good post.
I can't remember why I quoted this, sorry.
Then start? What you're doing now surely won't be cracking any eggs open here.
So I find it interesting that you omit Drago here, but include Conq specifically, despite him having maybe one post at this point. Why does he deserve an explicit mention, and not to be grouped into the "others didn't really post yet" pile, and yet Drago has none?
I am sure you must have a better process of reading players than just how little they seem to care about the game. This is pretty poor reasoning, especially given the level of conviction you had earlier over Pero.
I don't understand why it being a game would preclude you from engaging with that game?
So why not mention in that list "Null, because I don't know how to read him"? You saw fit to say several players didn't ping you, and naught else, so you could at least provide that much for Drago.
I mean, that has no bearing on this game.
If you're not going to actually establish a reverse volume tell, what is this post doing?
Yeah, this doesn't strike me as genuine. I know you are more sincere than this, Rottkins.
Both of them are just Mafia on easy mode.
Why do you feel the need to defend her on the basis of meta?
No one is going to listen to any legacy you have when you've so far done nothing to give anyone a reason to do so.
You would expect them to reply, yes?
Do yu think he would need to overextend to lynch you here? On the basis of your play to date?
I don't know if I agree that TMI must be the reason, but holistically yes, good post.
Are you planning on actually pushing this lynch at all, or just asking people about it?
Yes, I see that.
Strike 1. Why are you even invested in the outcome here? You offer several posts around Doddsy, and I don't know why.
So in other words, scummy behaviour. Can you explain then why that doesn't translate to a scum read?
You can't just ask people to unvote without giving a better suggestion as to where they should vote instead, especially if you tag them.
So you were planning on wasting the first half of the day anyway?
Give them a reason?
Okay, then instead of being ambivalent around this position, stick to it. If you don't want to be tagged, then you don't need to offer suggestions. I will not aim to impede your wincon Flower, but I will need you to work with me.
Are you planning on elaborating here?
Yes, that's fair. I had the same impression in my skim through.
Strike 2. Any roles that can discern this are few and far between, so anyone who comes forward answering this risks exposing themselves needlessly. I'm going to need you to start thinking these comments through more before you post them.
Then let's hear a better option?
Yes, if you want to play like a literal ape, carry on. Claiming is a part of Mafia, I haven't read a single quality post from you up to this point, or even really an attempt to play the game. You've earned your position.
Again, you can't just demand people vote without giving a reason? If someone reads this post and decides to sheep, then what? How does that help anyone?
I'm not sure it even really matters, to be honest. Just do whatever you feel like for now.
Yes, agreed. Alas, we're dealing with... well, I won't be mean.
If Zolo insists on only posting that, then it's very much within my interests that he's at least pressured into claiming. Otherwise how will I ever read him? Guess?
I feel like you're just parroting here.

So, talk me through this please. You seem to be implying that Ekko could be scum with Pero and not voting to save him. Can you explain, then, why Ekko doesn't just dip from the thread and not post, instead of post and make it overt that he wants to take the lynch away from Pero? I don't really feel like you've thought this out at all.
I mean, I guess compromise is good, but the fact you seem to not even mention that you're compromising by voting your town read here is alarming to me.
Yes, how very glib. If you'd claimed when you were first pushed to L-1 it could have all been avoided.
Yes, good post.
You are still a town vote.
Well then you could have done more to push that.

I've typed this all up between 1-2 am and I'm getting tired and my fingers are beginning to get sore, so the following reads list will be without qualification.

Flowa - Indie
Ekko - Town
Yelan - Scum
Pero - Town
Conq - Scum
Nana - Null/Town
Reborn - Null/Town
Doddsy - Null/Scum
hime - Scum
Dragomir - Town
Lord Melkor - Null/Scum
Xlaw - Null/Scum
Zolo - Scum
QueenEmilia - Null
Rottkins - Null/Scum
Light - Town
Lanji - Null/Scum
disagree on hime and reborn
 

EkkoLoJinx

How far I'll go...
You don't need to concern yourself with my slot. If I don't catch scum today, I will almost certainly catch them tomorrow, and if we're in Day 4 and I haven't caught any I am either bad or scum.
it has nothing to do with ur slot actually. just smth u said earlier suggested maayyybeee its u

actually forget it. ill circle bk to it later

thats reassuring. u seem very confident.. but im afraid given the nature of the game u could get culted even if u start as town

i dont anticipate u r playing this with mentality to last long. we can still clean sweep this like last one
 

Ratchet

The End and the Beginning
disagree on hime and reborn
With respect, after your play Fay 1 I'm not really inclined to put much stock in anything you have to say. You are, of course, free to provide some reasoning for why you read them as you do.
thats reassuring. u seem very confident.. but im afraid given the nature of the game u could get culted even if u start as town
Indubitably. And I do mean indubitably.
i dont anticipate u r playing this with mentality to last long. we can still clean sweep this like last one
Well, that's a given. I half expected to find myself dead N1.
 
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