General & Others Timeskip was USELESS

#41
Timeskip was really useless. Things didn't change much. Fodders in new world can know basics of haki. All the important stuff Luffy has learnt was from his opponents and Udon prisoner. Rayleigh was a shit teacher. Infact Oda dealt timeskip bad.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#44
Timeskip was really useless. Things didn't change much. Fodders in new world can know basics of haki. All the important stuff Luffy has learnt was from his opponents and Udon prisoner. Rayleigh was a shit teacher. Infact Oda dealt timeskip bad.
Anyone can learn but that would not have helped them defeating Monster Hody and the other evil fishmen had they encountered him.
 
#46
My logic is laid out like this.. @Human D Luffy

katakuri isn't arguably the strongest YC1 in yonko crew..

Defeating him is a feat but directly jumping from his fresh yet raw development in that fight with some raw powerups here and there consequently (in wano) to a whooping a Yonko is absurdly BS LMAO ... he didn't even fight a low - mid admiral to a extreme diff while developing further as preemptive preparation to fight a Yonko.. 1v1 in hopes of pushing the likes of Kaido over a mid diff like rn, What he could have done is learn Acoa against an admiral.. and hone it to a better extent than he has rn..and entering wano he could have enhanced it further.

he really jumped the gun thinking he could beat Kaido 1v1 .. and that resulted in him getting knocked out multiple times.. but with consequences we saw his absurd development that covered up for his deprived fight with someone directly 1 or 2 tiers over YC1's (an admiral basically) but his Acoa is still not that honed but instead he has grasped Acoc...pretty late into the fight which ended up the way it has.

If luffy fought an admiral preemptively and had lessons with Hyogoro he would have grasped Acoc earlier in his fight with Kaido.. and hone it from ground up to the point where kaido is getting pushed to and extreme diff.


but oda took a very linear yet.. a decisive..path where its no longer incremental.. its do or die and introspect and reasses, luffy will have to recover for some chapters and come back... with presumably 5th gear..
that would cover up for his weariness.. and a sole time frame to bring kaido down.
 
#48
Before and After timeskip, all i see during time is jimbe jimbe jimbe . OMG I am really sick of him.

If timeskip was made for haki basics learning,

Could you please tell me , what has haki improvement been for Monster Trio ?

Zoro got COC.

Sanji did not any little improvements.

Luffy is trying to learn ryou haki usage.

Postime skip has been 4 5 arc . That is problem. We always see useless character hype and fight .

The most disappointed event is when sanji carry luffy , he did not do anything. all of things was handled his siblings. Every time he saw the enemy , he shocked. This is simple sample. Where is basic education. Before timeskip , sanji was more stronger .d.dd.d

Luffy was almost dying when he fight with Doflamingo and Katakuri. It is okay. Where is the haki enhancement ? have somebody seen ?

Again he is taking class for ryou.

Zoro is hanging out himself and learning everything. He will be king of pirates :)))
 
#49
Before and After timeskip, all i see during time is jimbe jimbe jimbe . OMG I am really sick of him.

If timeskip was made for haki basics learning,

Could you please tell me , what has haki improvement been for Monster Trio ?

Zoro got COC.

Sanji did not any little improvements.

Luffy is trying to learn ryou haki usage.

Postime skip has been 4 5 arc . That is problem. We always see useless character hype and fight .

The most disappointed event is when sanji carry luffy , he did not do anything. all of things was handled his siblings. Every time he saw the enemy , he shocked. This is simple sample. Where is basic education. Before timeskip , sanji was more stronger .d.dd.d

Luffy was almost dying when he fight with Doflamingo and Katakuri. It is okay. Where is the haki enhancement ? have somebody seen ?

Again he is taking class for ryou.

Zoro is hanging out himself and learning everything. He will be king of pirates :)))
😐Did you read the katakuri fight?
 
#51
Because Luffy between FMI and Wano got several times stronger. The same can't be said for Kidd who is beyond even WCI Boundman
Kid is beyond WCI Boundman? Lol he's not hurting shit though. The only thing we know is that he beat a sweet commander with a lower bounty than Cracker. He lost to Shanks and was humiliated by Kaido. He was about to ally with Hawkins and Apoo, powerful characters, but likely not close enough to help him beat an emperor. There's really no reason to hype Kid's strength post timeskip
 
#52
I agree. Kid overestimated. Kid devil fruit so common as well as just physical. BM does not take any damage even if she is at base. Most of people reaaly believe Kid vs BM. Just laugh. After falling 10000m falling, Kaido made 4 5 supernovas his slaves. Law devil fruit is more useful than Kid. What is Kid power and Haki ?
Fn Lucci
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#53
Yes I concur with the general feeling that Kid is most likely not striking down Big Mom by himself. Luffy v BM was perpetually portrayed for over a decade, it would be extensively sad if Oda chose to negate that or still to better put it don't lend it enough credit. And Law is there too with Kidd.
 
#54
No matter hoe many supernovaare there. Remember Law vs Dofilamingo. Law dıd not make anything against Dof alone. Kid just physical character. Will you compare Kid and BM strengh. Forget about it. Luffy is excellent great user. Kidd and Law huh ? Actually, what woould oda think about these matchups ? I do not understand.
Finalbeta
 
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Herrera95

#57
its lucky that the charaters that Kid lost to are people who dont kill other pirates straight away, its lucky that akainu came before BB did anything bad to bonny, its easy to survive new world with the backing of a yonko like drake,apoo,bege and law being a warlord gets you some perks and wow what when you get try to directly attack a yonko with only your base crew you dont even see the yonko but with allies like luffy has you can crash a wendy and get the respect of the 2nd in comand.
Law and Scabbards only be alive and do their life goal because of the strawhat they get new allies because they have the abilities to help something that the SH if they skip training for those 2 years wouldnt have and all the fights that the straw hats they wouldnt survive for only a minute or less especially the monster trio would be rag dolled by their oppents, zoro would had no way of fighting pica and takeaway the lak the abilty of haki and other new moves they learnt it more they wouldnt have the physical abilty to be a threat to slow and to weak.
Omg so much non sense.
Kid lost to character that don't kill other pirates. What about Luffy King of Thousand Defeats? He ever got murdered? In fact we could argue that Crocodile killed him once or twice. Magellan too. Aokiji... This is OP people are not dying. This is not lucky to face pirates that don't kill other people but lucky to be in a manga that author itself doesn't kill people, and when he "does" he bring them back from death(I can explain better this part if you didn't understood).
Akainu and Bonney. Have you even read that part? BB is the one who called Marines to arrest Bonney in exchange of a Naval Ship and then Akainu was the one reading to his location. There is nothing to do with lucky. BB wasn't doing anything to her because he wanted to delivery her to marines since she doesn't want to marry him.
Have you forgot that Law was the first to help Strawhat? Not only at Marineford but Punk Hazard too.
My point is that Strawhats could have tougher fights at Fishmen Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa so they would have power ups each arc instead of no/low/mid diffing those 3 arcs. Look at Zoro, he literally no diffed Fishmen opponent, Monet at Punk Hazard and Pica at Dressrosa. He could have more difficult fights an still winning anyway without those 2 years. And everybody would be at Wano the same way with that 2 years timeskip. You only improve with difficult fights, so Zoro had no improvment at all since timeskip until Wano.
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Kid is beyond WCI Boundman? Lol he's not hurting shit though. The only thing we know is that he beat a sweet commander with a lower bounty than Cracker. He lost to Shanks and was humiliated by Kaido. He was about to ally with Hawkins and Apoo, powerful characters, but likely not close enough to help him beat an emperor. There's really no reason to hype Kid's strength post timeskip
Where is said he beat a Sweet Commander with Lower Bounty than Cracker? That is pretty much Snack.
I don't remember that saying. He could have defeated even Katakuri. And he stole something from BM territory. That is Roger's feat.
 
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#58
Omg so much non sense.
Kid lost to character that don't kill other pirates. What about Luffy King of Thousand Defeats? He ever got murdered? In fact we could argue that Crocodile killed him once or twice. Magellan too. Aokiji... This is OP people are not dying. This is not lucky to face pirates that don't kill other people but lucky to be in a manga that author itself doesn't kill people, and when he "does" he bring them back from death(I can explain better this part if you didn't understood).
Akainu and Bonney. Have you even read that part? BB is the one who called Marines to arrest Bonney in exchange of a Naval Ship and then Akainu was the one reading to his location. There is nothing to do with lucky. BB wasn't doing anything to her because he wanted to delivery her to marines since she doesn't want to marry him.
Have you forgot that Law was the first to help Strawhat? Not only at Marineford but Punk Hazard too.
My point is that Strawhats could have tougher fights at Fishmen Island, Punk Hazard, Dressrosa so they would have power ups each arc instead of no/low/mid diffing those 3 arcs. Look at Zoro, he literally no diffed Fishmen opponent, Monet at Punk Hazard and Pica at Dressrosa. He could have more difficult fights an still winning anyway without those 2 years. And everybody would be at Wano the same way with that 2 years timeskip. You only improve with difficult fights, so Zoro had no improvment at all since timeskip until Wano.
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Where is said he beat a Sweet Commander with Lower Bounty than Cracker? That is pretty much Snack.
I don't remember that saying. He could have defeated even Katakuri. And he stole something from BM territory. That is Roger's feat.
Who of the supernovas had a high ranking marine logia user (smoker) who followed them to the new world just to capture, them having tough fights wouldn't add up too the power ups they got from 2 years of training luffy only needed one jet pistol to destroy a Pacifista but pre ts the whole crew be needed to take down pacifista something for sanji and zoro could destroy a Pacifista by themself, zoro had has zero chance against pica if he skipped the ts training or are you saying that can get from cutting buildings to cutting a mountain in half from zoro doing his normal training and tough fights that is without the ts that is stupid, yes Agree I would liked zoro had a difficult fight pre wano but why can't we have timeskip and and difficult fights his only one who had it easy pre wano everyone else has had some difficulties since the timeskip.
 
#60
I think Oda relies too much on PIS from Luffy to keep the arcs going, but that has always been the case.

He has also done weird retcons around second levels of haki, leading to awkward scale backs of strength and situations where someone like the Boa fodder sister having more advanced armament than pre Udon Luffy or current Zoro. Also strange scenarios where someone with future sight is an untouchable monster even to something like G4, but also Luffy with future sight can get surprised by Apoo or Ulti if the plot demands it, turning future sight into an early warning system for a select few big attacks rather than a ridiculously broken universal ability.
 
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