Speculations To ZKK deniers, when will Enma turn black?

[zzShinichi]

It makes the most sense that Zoro turns Enma Black in the land of Wano where the sword god Ryuma turned his Shusui black, and where Oden failed to turn his blade black.
it doesn't make sense that Zoro turns Enma Black in some random arc later where no Wano Citizens will bear witness to the birth of a blackblade from their own origin.
It's like knowing Luffy is Nika in Wano arc but the fruit won't be awakened till Elbalf.

 

[Shasha23]

In the King fight, zoro had a scene of him valuing each sword, and each named sword called out to him, so if swords have a will of their own, then named sword desire a goal. Emna - Kill Kaido/most lethal, Sandai - users death, Wado- beat the WSS. I predict devil fruit awakening and turning a sword black will have something in common, imbue acoc haki into each sword, listening, conquering the sword?

I dount this very much, turning a blade into a black blade should be something much more complicated than that or Roger and Shanks would have already done it
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It makes the most sense that Zoro turns Enma Black in the land of Wano where the sword god Ryuma turned his Shusui black, and where Oden failed to turn his blade black.
it doesn't make sense that Zoro turns Enma Black in some random arc later where no Wano Citizens will bear witness to the birth of a blackblade from their own origin.
It's like knowing Luffy is Nika in Wano arc but the fruit won't be awakened till Elbalf.

It makes sense and all but how though, it shouldn be easy or others would have done it by now

 

[JoNdule]

I'd like to point out the parallel between Zoro and Luffy's powerup this arc
Luffy PU: Internal Armanent Haki -> Advanced Conqueror Haki -> Awakening (which turns him WHITE)
While Zoro's PU has been
Enma (which technically is a Internal Armanent Haki PU) -> Advanced Conqueror Haki -> Black blades (which turns his blades....BLACK)
Sun and Moon indeed

Enma isnt internal haki PU
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Btw, why should it Enmas goal to kill Kaido? Just because his previous weilder failed at it?

Nowhere in hell it is even said Enma needs to kill Kaido

 

[zzShinichi]

I dount this very much, turning a blade into a black blade should be something much more complicated than that or Roger and Shanks would have already done it
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It makes sense and all but how though, it shouldn be easy or others would have done it by now

Honestly i don't know. We don't even know HOW one even awakens his fruit despite that Luffy/Kid/Law's fruits are awakened.
But thematically it just makes more sense that Zoro turns his Enma black in Wano.

 

[Shasha23]

Honestly i don't know. We don't even know HOW one even awakens his fruit despite that Luffy/Kid/Law's fruits are awakened.
But thematically it just makes more sense that Zoro turns his Enma black in Wano.

Yeah it would be poetic for Zoro to turn Enma black but it wouldnt make sense since people far stronger than Zoro with better haki control and who really cared about their blades couldnt do it, for me making a black blade should be something far harder than this

 

[zzShinichi]

Enma isnt internal haki PU
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Nowhere in hell it is even said Enma needs to kill Kaido

Oh but it's an armanent haki upgrade, just like Luffy's.
Armanent -> Conqueror -> Awakening
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[hedera__helix]

Btw, why should it Enmas goal to kill Kaido? Just because his previous weilder failed at it?

No shit? It's been stated in the manga multiple times that Enma contains Oden's will...

 

[Doggo]

He's turning all 3 black at the same time. Turning them one at a time is dumb.
Zoro is a 3-sword style user. Which means all 3 swords are necessary for his fighting style. They are all pivotal pieces of his.
Even if Enma had to suck the CoC out of him, all 3 swords ended up having the black lightning. They are not separate things. They are pieces of a whole.

 

[M944]

Your theory is shit
It means Oden could never turn Enma black
He was the first owner if the sword so no inherited will to fulfill

And what the Fuck Oden gave the sword to Hiyori so no inherited will in fact he was waiting for Joyboy to beat Kaido
you think he's stupid enough to let hiyori fight Kaido ?

It also means Ame no habakiri will never turn black no matters how much Momo tries

 

[Pantheos]

No shit? It's been stated in the manga multiple times that Enma contains Oden's will...

And Odens will is not really to "defeat Kaido", it was to open Wanos borders. So even if its the will of Oden, it wouldnt be "killing Kaido", since even for Oden, this was only a step further to his original goal and if Kaido had left silently, Oden would have been fine with anyway. So it doesnt make alot of sense if "killing Kaido" is what it takes to fulfill Enmas (i.e. Odens) will/goal, since the goal ("Open Wano") is still not fulfilled with it.

 

[M944]

That's how you justify ZKK ?
You made a theory (about black blades) to Say ZKK (A theory will happen)

So basically ZKK will happen because for you Enma must be used to Kill Kaido in order to turn black
At this point it's just faith lol

 

[zzShinichi]

And Odens will is not really to "defeat Kaido", it was to open Wanos borders. So even if its the will of Oden, it wouldnt be "killing Kaido", since even for Oden, this was only a step further to his original goal and if Kaido had left silently, Oden would have been fine with anyway. So it doesnt make alot of sense if "killing Kaido" is what it takes to fulfill Enmas (i.e. Odens) will/goal, since the goal ("Open Wano") is still not fulfilled with it.

The last time Oden wielded Enma in combat, he wanted to cut Kaido's neck, he failed.

 

[Pantheos]

The last time Oden wielded Enma in combat, he wanted to cut Kaido's neck, he failed.

So saying he wants to do something (while in battle) is way more important as a goal than something he is aiming for his whole damn life? Okaaaay, far stretch in my opinion, but if you think so.

 

[HA001]

And Odens will is not really to "defeat Kaido", it was to open Wanos borders. So even if its the will of Oden, it wouldnt be "killing Kaido", since even for Oden, this was only a step further to his original goal and if Kaido had left silently, Oden would have been fine with anyway. So it doesnt make alot of sense if "killing Kaido" is what it takes to fulfill Enmas (i.e. Odens) will/goal, since the goal ("Open Wano") is still not fulfilled with it.

 

[zzShinichi]

So saying he wants to do something (while in battle) is way more important as a goal than something he is aiming for his whole damn life? Okaaaay, far stretch in my opinion, but if you think so.

Yeah, why not. Why can't Oden have multiple purposes
He left opening Wano's borders to his vassals
He left "cutting Kaido's neck" to his swords
Simple.

 

[HA001]

Yeah, why not. Why can't Oden have multiple purposes
He left opening Wano's borders to his vassals
He left "cutting Kaido's neck" to his swords
Simple.

He also had given his swords away prior to his execution and leaving the dream to open wano to the scabbards.

 

[hedera__helix]

And Odens will is not really to "defeat Kaido", it was to open Wanos borders. So even if its the will of Oden, it wouldnt be "killing Kaido", since even for Oden, this was only a step further to his original goal and if Kaido had left silently, Oden would have been fine with anyway. So it doesnt make alot of sense if "killing Kaido" is what it takes to fulfill Enmas (i.e. Odens) will/goal, since the goal ("Open Wano") is still not fulfilled with it.

Oden wanted Kaido's head bud

 

[Pantheos]

Yeah, why not. Why can't Oden have multiple purposes
He left opening Wano's borders to his vassals
He left "cutting Kaido's neck" to his swords
Simple.

To far stretched in my opinion. Smells like grasping at straws... but if you think so. I just stated my opinion to it.

 

[JoNdule]

The last time Oden wielded Enma in combat, he wanted to cut Kaido's neck, he failed.

The last time Oden held enma , he told Kaido " don't comeback again" before getting beat

Same thing Luffy tells Kaido , he wants ti kick him out of wano for good

 

[BleakAsh]

why do you want it to turn black after killing someone with an awful amount of melanin content in em ....a bit too sus much?

besides nothing the mystical fox guy suggest- oh yea Onimaru right? , nothing he suggested meant that turning a black blade requires a feat or killing a dragon

rather he said Ryuma "Forged" the blade black through his countless battles... and the word Forged was emboldened and i underline countless because it gives you an angle of persistent, arduous and constant effort, not a feat to look from to formulate the creation of BbB.. nothing alludes to what you claim.. and for people to derive "GRim reAPER HaKi InFuSion MaKe BB" (exaggeration for gest) or "DrGoN Slay RyUmA LeGacY BB"
so i dont see any connections or the narrative requirement for there to be a BB through zkk.. hell zkk through BB premise doesn't even coincide with Ryuma lore.. coz if it did.. then Ryuma's blade would have turned black after slaying the dragon ... but it didn't.. you can come and say "oh that's just a conditional thing it doesn't have to follow the same route"...ok it doesn't have to but it still contradicts to what Onimaru says lads... and the guy was companion to none other than Ushimaruna.. how does he know about black blades then? and then again slaying someone prominent for BB the idea itself is lame

Another thing

if wishes it is then we'd never know what sandai ever yearned for, for zoro to fulfill it and hence potentially turning it into a black blade, because there is basically 0 background to the sword expect for its rank among the great blades.

Soo doesn't your premise fall short here?
because if that was the case we'd have a prior legacy and need to each blade zoro has attained if it ever were to turn into a black blade.. or are you alluding to the fact that zoro will only have 2 black blades.. and would require another blade with a niche of its own to become black?..

Black blade just seem like another pretext justifying Zkk but again there are just so many holes we can count in the theories you all bring up..

Zkk almost seems like something if it happens it happens but anything but in accordance to this desperation you all put forward.. this would be ONE HELL OF A COINCIDENCE if zoro just in general happens to be the one killing him ... nothing is impossible until it is..
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It makes the most sense that Zoro turns Enma Black in the land of Wano where the sword god Ryuma turned his Shusui black,

it begs the question then... Ryuma didn't turn his blade black after slaying the dragon and give the argument for the Ryuma parallel... this black blade theory seems disjointed