Speculations To ZKK deniers, when will Enma turn black?

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Killing kaido isn't a part of odens dream
Opening wano is bigger than just kaido or even oden himself
Oden knew even if it wasn't him that kaido was going to be defeated in a 20 year timespan

Oden did have multiple massive dreams integral to him
1. Going out to sea to adventure and be free
2. Have wano open up

Killing kaido isnt

Luffy also has 2 main dreams
1. Become the pirate king aka the freest man and just have fun and adventure
2. Whatever he and roger said

To accomplish his dream luffy is going to have to fight and defeat yonko. Defeating yonko isn't his dream
I would say killing Kaido was his final goal in life because he realised he needed it to open Wano. Even if he knew that in the future wano will be saved doesnt change the fact he wanted to end Kaido in his time regardless of the knowledge he had of it happening in the future.
If anything he knew he was going to fail because it was set in stone to happen in the future but did it anyways because he couldnt handle watching his people suffer.

It is like saying Luffy's dream is not to find the One Piece but to become pirate king one was necessary for the other.
 
Thread is specifically about what will make Enma black tho. :milaugh:
Yes and people are saying itll turn black because if its own dream/will whatever you want to call it
If that's the case fine but it isn't odens

I would say killing Kaido was his final goal in life because he realised needed to to open Wano. Even if he knew that in the future wano will be saved doesnt change the fact he wanted to end Kaido in his time regardless of the knowledge he had of it happening in the future.
If anything he knew he was going to fail because i was set in stone to happen in the future but did it anyways because he couldnt handle watching his people suffer.

It is like saying Luffy's dream is not to find the One Piece but to become pirate king one was necessary for the other.
Luffy can't become pirate king without finding the one piece. Finding the one piece is what makes you pirate king

Wano can open its borders without oden
Wano can open its borders without killing kaido
Wano opening is odens dream and is what everyone is trying to do in his place
Killing kaido wasn't his dream

If luffy died he cant become pirate king. No one can become pirate king for him


If zoro dies he also can't become wss and no one else can become it for him
If mihawk is defeated by another swordsman zoro can still become wss
 
Yes and people are saying itll turn black because if its own dream/will whatever you want to call it
If that's the case fine but it isn't odens


Luffy can't become pirate king without finding the one piece. Finding the one piece is what makes you pirate king

Wano can open its borders without oden
Wano can open its borders without killing kaido
Wano opening is odens dream and is what everyone is trying to do in his place
Killing kaido wasn't his dream

If luffy died he cant become pirate king. No one can become pirate king for him


If zoro dies he also can't become wss and no one else can become it for him
If mihawk is defeated by another swordsman zoro can still become wss
But I'm saying in his time when he was alive and still had enma killing Kaido would have been the only way.
 
But it inherited the will from Oden and if it turns black by killing Kaido, another thing you were wrong about...
I mean, considering your track record in Wano, you must be a natural. :saden:
That would still mean enmas "dream" isn't the same as odens
But I'm saying in his time when he was alive and still had enma killing Kaido would have been the only way.
If enma is "alive" enough to understand oden and his dreams and aspirations while he held it over all those years
It likely knows what oden knows

And it was aware of what went on with kaido 20 years ago it's likely aware of what's going on now. And how everyone left it up to luffy its current wielder included
 
That would still mean enmas "dream" isn't the same as odens

If enma is "alive" enough to understand oden and his dreams and aspirations while he held it over all those years
It likely knows what oden knows

And it was aware of what went on with kaido 20 years ago it's likely aware of what's going on now. And how everyone left it up to luffy its current wielder included
Enma is not completely sentient from what has been shown and at the end of the day it is a weapon that interprets the world through violence. thats why it acts up in situations of violence.

I am not saying it cannot be revealed in the future to be completely alive but even in the situation it is alive it has not been shown to have a passive personality. it would probably still want to go after Kaido and probably has a personal grudge aswell.

on a unrelated note can somebody pick a random one piece character? I want to make fan art and idk who to do.
 
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we don't know how you can turn a sword to BB so it could be some spiritual bullshit (connecting / conquering sword will) or some haki related thing

i saw some comment about what gyukimaru said i don't think he now much about BB other than legend that wano citizens know about it if some one can explain it its probably tenguyama hitetsu that is a black smith

i just hope its not some lame ass process for turning a blade to BB and it will just become harder and black if its just that legit its most useless pu
honestly at this point i don't have much hope to see proper execution for BB plot line
 
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show me the panel
[automerge]1652833405[/automerge]

he is already the monster samurai
he scarred him


the killing is actually pretty much highlighted there

i could have let u kill me
u dont even have enough power to open the old scar
notice how the ' even ' thing is highlighted here
so u can take this as 3 levels

killing
scar
shallow blows

the scabbards didnt even reach the AP needed to scar or reopen the scar so killing is far - fetched for them .
 
the killing is actually pretty much highlighted there

i could have let u kill me
u dont even have enough power to open the old scar
notice how the ' even ' thing is highlighted here
so u can take this as 3 levels

killing
scar
shallow blows

the scabbards didnt even reach the AP needed to scar or reopen the scar so killing is far - fetched for them .
that would be correct.
 
show me the panel
[automerge]1652833405[/automerge]

he is already the monster samurai
he scarred him


the killing is actually pretty much highlighted there

i could have let u kill me
u dont even have enough power to open the old scar
notice how the ' even ' thing is highlighted here
so u can take this as 3 levels

killing
scar
shallow blows

the scabbards didnt even reach the AP needed to scar or reopen the scar so killing is far - fetched for them .
Yeah, I don't think there's any way for Zoro to have already fulfilled the role of being the "monster samurai."

Kaido didn't just talk about a monster samurai, he talked about a monster samurai like Oden

During the King fight, Zoro implied that he was still not on Oden's level (although this was before he got ACoC)

Even now I don't think he is as strong as Oden yet. I think he'll leave Wano being on that level and being that monster samurai for the people of Wano to look at as their next legendary warrior
 
Yeah, I don't think there's any way for Zoro to have already fulfilled the role of being the "monster samurai."

Kaido didn't just talk about a monster samurai, he talked about a monster samurai like Oden

During the King fight, Zoro implied that he was still not on Oden's level (although this was before he got ACoC)

Even now I don't think he is as strong as Oden yet. I think he'll leave Wano being on that level and being that monster samurai for the people of Wano to look at as their next legendary warrior
he isnt on that level
but the way zenox put it is exactly right . scarring kaido doesnt confirm he is the monster samurai.


I think expecting zoro to be as strong as oden coming out of wano is nearly impossible.
 
he isnt on that level
but the way zenox put it is exactly right . scarring kaido doesnt confirm he is the monster samurai.


I think expecting zoro to be as strong as oden coming out of wano is nearly impossible.
I said he is not on that level, yes

Why is it nearly impossible? Current Zoro is at a level where he can mid diff the YC1's we've encountered so far

If he gets another power-up before the end of Wano, that will boost him quite close to Yonko level
 
I said he is not on that level, yes

Why is it nearly impossible? Current Zoro is at a level where he can mid diff the YC1's we've encountered so far

If he gets another power-up before the end of Wano, that will boost him quite close to Yonko level
zoro isnt going to be an emperor level pirate coming out of wano

oden is one
 
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