Role Madness Too Many Doctors (Game Thread)

[Fujishiro]

 

[MangoSenpai]

Hello, I am Polar Bears artifical inanmiate personal assistant, THE DONNA. He is hard at work, but rest assured that he will be on top of things. He has requested that I get updates while he is away. So please provide me some update posts and I will make sure he gets them.

Flower is going through photosynthesis again, Kekko is checking if his votes are al dente, we got a handful of AFKs, couple lurkers, and then the stray lambs of town looking for their way

 

[Ratchet]

It's very odd, and quite a risky move for Flower to gamble her position so openly like that.

I mean, the gamble here would be she expects us not to call her bluff and to think her self voting is clearing because of it. Not that odd. Risky? Sure.

 

[Ratchet]

Hello, I am Polar Bears artifical inanmiate personal assistant, THE DONNA. He is hard at work, but rest assured that he will be on top of things. He has requested that I get updates while he is away. So please provide me some update posts and I will make sure he gets them.

BASED
Donna is BASED

 

[Ratchet]

Realistically we're going to have to do something about the waifs and coasters of the mafia world. Maybe we purge them all.

 

[Guillo]

Day 1 Vote Count 1.5

Ekkolojinx (3): AlwaysMind, Yo Tan Wah, Ratchet
Mango (1): Ekkolojinx
Flower (1): Flower

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Day 1 will end: May 29th of 2025, 3PM EST (7pm GMT).
The player with the most votes will die at the end of the day.
If there is a tie, one will be eliminated at random.
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Quote of the Day
"Healthy positivity means making space for both reality and hope".

 

[Ratchet]

"Healthy positivity means making space for both reality and hope".

@Flower

 

[Flower]

The Ratchet scum case:

I'm the best player here.

Simply put, the idea of everyone targeting a player is a pipe dream. It won't happen, and even if most do, there will be enough going off shoot or inactive that no one is fully exposed by it. But let's say that they are. Once the Watcher is outed, all attempts at enforcing co-operation are moot.

Seems to have been skipped in consideration - who is deciding who we target? I have a solution to this, it's a bit funny actually, but I want to see what the ones making this plan think. Because I think we would agree this is the single most important part of the whole plan.

I do think co-operation is going to be helpful on some level. But you need to be able to accommodate people going off the beaten path so to speak. Or, like I alluded to in Flaw #2, you insert some consequence for whomever decides the target.

Here, he argues mostly that the biggest flaw in my plan is that not everyone will be on board. It‘s not a bad argument per se, but continue reading why this is outing actually.

Flower buddying with Ekko straight away is also weird, and logically her case on hime was poor. I don't just disagree with it. The notion that scum would contest a plan that, quite frankly, doesn't really guarantee anything, all because they're scum, doesn't hold up - scum are not the ones eager to draw attention to themselves that way. Contention like hime's pretty much always comes from town, and her way of working into that read wasnt very good. Also treating my slot exactly the same as Ekko which is bad.

Here he shades my read on Hime. Needless to say Hime won’t be aligned with him if he‘s scum because Ratchet 1) would be more likely to support a scum read on her to distance as scum mates with Hime and 2) it sounds more like he‘s trying to win her favour as opposed to a genuine take. He also ignores the entire premise of why our push on her started, which was Hime arguing on the basis of not knowing that the faction kill is mandatory. She even conceded that my plan makes more sense in that lense thus showing that she understands why we pushed her over this and my read on her also improved a little over this since it really wasn’t in the opening post.

Is this a real thought Flower? You think every player is going to follow a plan because you can see no issues with it. Is that really how you believe it will go down?

Here he argues again that the main issue with my plan is that not everyone will be on board.

Actually don't mind these reads, though I disagree. The Yo Tan read is worthwhile, think your hime read is pretty poor (not saying you have to read her town, but your reasoning for her to be scum amounts to her having a belief and arguing in favour of it which is already a townie trait when scum are going to be looking to play safe, and then you've also completely failed to consider whether her mindset ever made sense under the assumption that she had no idea mafia had to skip an action to kill).

Again Town spewing Hime and shading me when it was long cleared up.

Did you read my posts? Let me help you out. Your plan might be sound in principle. It's not perfect in that the targets need to be good, but I have an ammendment that might help a bit with that which you need to give some thought to before I tell you it. But anyway. I'll use simple sentences from here.

Plan good.
People no listen.
People do own thing.
Too many do own thing
Plan no good.

You can't base the whole game strategy over an ideal plan unless you are sure you have everyone on board. That means you need to ensure you have full co-operation from everyone today. Simply saying that your plan is perfect doesn't help with that. You also need to come up with a process for selecting the target, because if you don't have one, that again everyone agrees to, your plan will not work. Is that clear enough?

Again with the everyone needs to be on board issue.

Hime's original suggestion was to treat the game as Vanilla, which is fine if you accept a slow game. It's not going to lose the game, at any rate.

Again buddying Hime.

Inactive/don't read/don't agree with the target/don't like being told what to do/feel they should be fine because they think others will not follow - I mean take your pick. Let's get to brass tacks. How are you going to select a target Flower?

Eh, he didn't seem to really agree with it after I told him about it, so who can say.



This was "the meat of the suspicion" was it Ekko? Your plan requires even more explicit co-operation than Flower's latest one. And the only way you enforce it is with the watcher, who has a 1 in 5 chance of catching the mafia who goes off schedule anyway.

Surely you have the capacity to do better than this? Have you even answered my question about how you select a target? Are you even reading lol

Chat is this real AtE or fake AtE?

Nothing but shade at Ekko and me.

Anyway because @Flower needs the help, I have a perfect solution to her plan's flaw, that being how we nominate a target.

My solution is KINGMAKER.

That's right. Every day, we nominate one person to choose who we all pile on tonight. If they die and flip town over the night, we lynch the King the day after, and nominate the next one. And so forth. Until we reach a point in the game where it's not tenable.

This encourages scum to consider bussing and presents a fair shake for all, which makes it more agreeable for people to follow than just some random people deciding. For day 1, we either lynch an inactive or we no lynch, I need to work out the numbers around that if it's worthwhile.

You said the meat of the suspicion was her disagreeing with the first plan, when you initially said it was NAI lol. Seems like you can't decide what you find suspicious.

And here comes the Kingmaker plan which may fix the issue of selecting a target, but the above clearly shows that he considered the main issue with my plan to be that not everyone will be on board. Which isn’t solved by playing Kingmaker either. Another thing is that Ratchet saw a Kingmaker Lynch system being exploited by a scum team in Favs, when Purple Mafia used it to their advantage. Since that Favs came up recently in the Overlord game I‘m sure he remembers that and how it destroyed both Town and the other scum team. It‘s allowing for scum to have needless thread control. Given that he was Town and on the receiving end of that system I don’t think he‘d come up with that as Town here knowing how disastrous it can be when abused by scum. Not to mention he considers himself the best player here and so far hasn’t produced a single direction other than Ekko (who I currently believe is Town). Given the zero amount of defense for Ekko from anyone and the general appetite to lynch him from many sides I currently don’t believe he‘s scum since he seems alone in the thread. I can’t reasonably find team mates for him either atm. So this direction seems awful from my current pov.

Welcome to my Ted talk.

 

[MangoSenpai]

Realistically we're going to have to do something about the waifs and coasters of the mafia world. Maybe we purge them all.

I say we perform one too many surgeries on some of the LHFs, Red Night is first on the list

 

[Alwaysmind]

That's impossible my friend for i am town

Don’t lower yourself, you are a doctor.

wait…

Are you?

was that a tacit acknowledgement that you are a quack?

 

[Alwaysmind]

That's impossible my friend for i am town

Don’t lower yourself, you are a doctor.

wait…

Are you?

was that a tacit acknowledgement that you are a quack?

 

[Alwaysmind]

Double post….

 

[Yoho]

Don’t lower yourself, you are a doctor.

wait…

Are you?

was that a tacit acknowledgement that you are a quack?

I can be quite quacky but I am a town quack

 

[Polar Bear]

@Flower what was your "plan"?

 

[Flower]

@Flower what was your "plan"?

We pick 1 player to target at night, everyone on the same player, via a vote alongside the lynch.
Watcher watches the target.
Target gets killed.
Scum has to target the same player so they also appear in the Watcher result.
Thus preventing them from killing anyone else or using their abilities for info or blocks.
Cuz if they stray the Watcher will see them not visit the target and then it outs them.
And since the kill is mandatory it also forces them to kill the same target. And if the target is scum they have to kill their mates.

 

[Ratchet]

Which isn’t solved by playing Kingmaker either.

How many times have I explained this?

Another thing is that Ratchet saw a Kingmaker Lynch system being exploited by a scum team in Favs, when Purple Mafia used it to their advantage. Since that Favs came up recently in the Overlord game I‘m sure he remembers that and how it destroyed both Town and the other scum team. It‘s allowing for scum to have needless thread control. Given that he was Town and on the receiving end of that system I don’t think he‘d come up with that as Town here knowing how disastrous it can be when abused by scum.

Like what? How are these two things even remotely connected?

In terms of directions, eh, I'm fine with my current one. Let's see if Ekko does more, can always find someone else if needed. I've outlined why I suspect Ekko which Flower hasn't even tried to touch upon.

 

[Flower]

I also intended to fake slip as Watcher right before EoD to make the scum team feel safe and get them to stray because they‘d think they have to kill me and can then target who they want.

 

[Fujishiro]

The Ratchet scum case:






Here, he argues mostly that the biggest flaw in my plan is that not everyone will be on board. It‘s not a bad argument per se, but continue reading why this is outing actually.

Here he shades my read on Hime. Needless to say Hime won’t be aligned with him if he‘s scum because Ratchet 1) would be more likely to support a scum read on her to distance as scum mates with Hime and 2) it sounds more like he‘s trying to win her favour as opposed to a genuine take. He also ignores the entire premise of why our push on her started, which was Hime arguing on the basis of not knowing that the faction kill is mandatory. She even conceded that my plan makes more sense in that lense thus showing that she understands why we pushed her over this and my read on her also improved a little over this since it really wasn’t in the opening post.

Here he argues again that the main issue with my plan is that not everyone will be on board.

Again Town spewing Hime and shading me when it was long cleared up.

Again with the everyone needs to be on board issue.

Again buddying Hime.




Nothing but shade at Ekko and me.


And here comes the Kingmaker plan which may fix the issue of selecting a target, but the above clearly shows that he considered the main issue with my plan to be that not everyone will be on board. Which isn’t solved by playing Kingmaker either. Another thing is that Ratchet saw a Kingmaker Lynch system being exploited by a scum team in Favs, when Purple Mafia used it to their advantage. Since that Favs came up recently in the Overlord game I‘m sure he remembers that and how it destroyed both Town and the other scum team. It‘s allowing for scum to have needless thread control. Given that he was Town and on the receiving end of that system I don’t think he‘d come up with that as Town here knowing how disastrous it can be when abused by scum. Not to mention he considers himself the best player here and so far hasn’t produced a single direction other than Ekko (who I currently believe is Town). Given the zero amount of defense for Ekko from anyone and the general appetite to lynch him from many sides I currently don’t believe he‘s scum since he seems alone in the thread. I can’t reasonably find team mates for him either atm. So this direction seems awful from my current pov.

Welcome to my Ted talk.

I diagnose you with a severe case of wall of textitis.

 

[Flower]

How many times have I explained this?
Like what? How are these two things even remotely connected?

In terms of directions, eh, I'm fine with my current one. Let's see if Ekko does more, can always find someone else if needed. I've outlined why I suspect Ekko which Flower hasn't even tried to touch upon.

Okay. Nice not addressing my points.

 

[Flower]

Literally everyone and their dog want to lynch Ekko. Who are his team mates even.