Top 50 strongest characters alive 2022 Poll Round 3 #2

Choose the 8 strongest characters of your choice!


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#61
Hard countering doesn’t mean being stronger

You can have a great match up against someone while still being weaker overall

Zoro can beat Sabo maybe but it doesn’t mean Zoro > Sabo in the grand scheme of things

Why I put Sano high :

- his title of emperor of flames : mirroring Luffy own Yonko status
- being Luffy bro so insane potential, in the same category as Zoro
- he has a great role incoming

For now I put him higher than Z
Still makes one win the fight much more likely though, and there's really nothing Sabo can throw at Zoro which he hasn't dealt with already.

What nerfed Zoro vs WSC is one of the best feats, don't remember Sabo doing something to ppl weaker than the WSC and who were holding back

Zoro would be all that and more if he was in Sabo's position to be fair

Sabo will need way better haki and awakening or ACoC to have a case to be considered above Zoro
 
#66
He is fighting Shiryu's boss because that's the only way he can look good.
He's fighting Shiryu's boss because that boss knows his commanders would get negged by Law.
he would already be dead before he realizes that Shiryu is even fighting him...
Pure headcanon.
Law is same Law as DR. Bigger and stronger attacks dont help him vs Doffy who bullies him in CQC.
Awakening didnt solve his weakest points.
Yeah no.

Law got a ton of new attacks. He has more control of his fruit. More stamina. And most importantly, Haki upgrades. Doffy would get fucked. Same for Shiryu.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#67
Absolutely not.
Blackbeard is sloppy, it is a well know fact.
Pre TS Luffy smacked him head on. Law looking good against such guy is hardly praise worthy.
Shiryu would off Law before he even realizes what happened because Shiryu isnt sloppy guy like BB. He is blood thirsty killer.

Yeah no.

Law got a ton of new attacks. He has more control of his fruit. More stamina. And most importantly, Haki upgrades. Doffy would get fucked. Same for Shiryu.
And new attacks didnt solve his biggest weakness - mediocre CQC skills.
More control over fruit and more stamina didnt either. What Haki upgrades?
lol at Doffy getting fucked... Dont even dare to dream about Shiryu being beaten by Law.
That is never going to be an option.
 
#68
Absolutely not.
Blackbeard is sloppy, it is a well know fact.
Pre TS Luffy smacked him head on. Law looking good against such guy is hardly praise worthy.
Law had BB's commander asking BB if he wanted to run lol. We'll see how Law vs BB goes.
Shiryu would off Law before he even realizes what happened because Shiryu isnt sloppy guy like BB. He is blood thirsty killer.
Shiry would have to catch Law off guard first. In a 1v1, that ain't happening. The Clear Clear fruit isn't even proven to counter COO. He could sneak and try if it is. But in op, nobody dies from a single attack. And the moment Law notices him, he's done.



And new attacks didnt solve his biggest weakness - mediocre CQC skills.
More control over fruit and more stamina didnt either. What Haki upgrades?
lol at Doffy getting fucked... Dont even dare to dream about Shiryu being beaten by Law.
That is never going to be an option.
Shambles is more than enough to disorient shiryu. Shiryu ain't yonko tier for it to not work.

Then we have counter shock, injection shot, gamma knife etc etc that he can spam at this point and they all deal internal damage.

Curtain was able to take on an advcoc blow from kaido. Kaido himself praised Law.

He's also a pretty good Swrodsman.

Law can use Kroom and extend his sword to catch Shiryu off guard too. A single Shocke wille would be devastating to shiryu. Not to mention Puncture wille.

And Law arguably has better haki so far. He can negate DF powers using haki. We've only seen stuff like that from Kaido and BM.


On the other hand, Shiryu has done nothing aside from stabbing Magellan in the back. He hasn't proven anything. Until he shows some feats, Law beats him comfortably.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#69
Law had BB's commander asking BB if he wanted to run lol. We'll see how Law vs BB goes.
Lafitte asking if they want to retreat affects Shiryu exactly... how? :milaugh:

Shiry would have to catch Law off guard first. In a 1v1, that ain't happening. The Clear Clear fruit isn't even proven to counter COO. He could sneak and try if it is. But in op, nobody dies from a single attack. And the moment Law notices him, he's done.
Why would Shiryu need to catch Law off guard, lol? Is Law that good that he cannot be beaten when he is on guard? lmao
What are Law's CoO feats?

>Shiryu is done when Law notices him
>Nobody dies in OP from a single attack
Make up your mind. :milaugh:
Freaking Vergo was speed-blitzing Law head on, imagine what Shiryu can do who seems to have similar move to Zoro's Iai...

Shambles is more than enough to disorient shiryu. Shiryu ain't yonko tier for it to not work.

Then we have counter shock, injection shot, gamma knife etc etc that he can spam at this point and they all deal internal damage.

Curtain was able to take on an advcoc blow from kaido. Kaido himself praised Law.

He's also a pretty good Swrodsman.

Law can use Kroom and extend his sword to catch Shiryu off guard too. A single Shocke wille would be devastating to shiryu. Not to mention Puncture wille.

And Law arguably has better haki so far. He can negate DF powers using haki. We've only seen stuff like that from Kaido and BM.


On the other hand, Shiryu has done nothing aside from stabbing Magellan in the back. He hasn't proven anything. Until he shows some feats, Law beats him comfortably.
As much as Shambles messed up with Doffy - it didnt... And you dont know if Shiryu can use Haki to stop Law's hax...
If Law with mediocre haki feats can stop DFs, a swordsman of Shiryu's caliber can do so as well.

How will he land a clean hit on Shiryu with Counter Shock, Injection Shot and Gamma Knife? Just like he landed on Doffy? He didnt...
Once again, he doesnt have Kidd to create openings for him and Shiryu isnt sloppy like Blackbeard is.

Let's not say that Law is a good swordsman while talking about caliber like Shiryu, lol.

Law extending his sword is same as someone shooting a bullet at Shiryu and catching him off guard and bullet is way faster. In short, it wont catch Shiryu in million years... You do understand that Puncture Wille has long prep time? Shiryu will kill him 10 times before he fires that off. Law having a better haki than swordsman of Shiryu's caliber is the best joke of the year and the year just started. Freaking Scabbards are masters in Haki compared to Law... Law's haki is the same, he now only knows that haki can be used to negate DFs...

While Shiryu hasnt done much, his equal in pre-TS did, negged Blackbeard and his crew in an instant...
Until Dragon shows some feats, Law beats him comfortably? This is becoming ridiculous... :kriwhat:
 
#72
Lafitte asking if they want to retreat affects Shiryu exactly... how? :milaugh:
Because Lafitte is asking BB, the guy shiryu is under, whether he want to run away. Because Law is that strong.

Why would Shiryu need to catch Law off guard, lol? Is Law that good that he cannot be beaten when he is on guard? lmao
What are Law's CoO feats?

>Shiryu is done when Law notices him
>Nobody dies in OP from a single attack
Make up your mind. :milaugh:
Freaking Vergo was speed-blitzing Law head on, imagine what Shiryu can do who seems to have similar move to Zoro's Iai...
Because all Shiryu has going for him is his clear clear fruit. Shiryu is a underhanded fighter. And Law has pretty good coo that is boosted by his fruit.

Shiryu is done because the same trick wont work twice. You think Shiryu has yonko level dura?

Also as i said, You're trying to downplay Law from the past. Law has changed too much. Vergo had the advantage because he had LAw's damn heart lol. The moment he got it back, vergo went pieces.
As much as Shambles messed up with Doffy - it didnt... And you dont know if Shiryu can use Haki to stop Law's hax...
If Law with mediocre haki feats can stop DFs, a swordsman of Shiryu's caliber can do so as well.

How will he land a clean hit on Shiryu with Counter Shock, Injection Shot and Gamma Knife? Just like he landed on Doffy? He didnt...
Once again, he doesnt have Kidd to create openings for him and Shiryu isnt sloppy like Blackbeard is.

Let's not say that Law is a good swordsman while talking about caliber like Shiryu, lol.

Law extending his sword is same as someone shooting a bullet at Shiryu and catching him off guard and bullet is way faster. In short, it wont catch Shiryu in million years... You do understand that Puncture Wille has long prep time? Shiryu will kill him 10 times before he fires that off. Law having a better haki than swordsman of Shiryu's caliber is the best joke of the year and the year just started. Freaking Scabbards are masters in Haki compared to Law... Law's haki is the same, he now only knows that haki can be used to negate DFs...

While Shiryu hasnt done much, his equal in pre-TS did, negged Blackbeard and his crew in an instant...
Until Dragon shows some feats, Law beats him comfortably? This is becoming ridiculous... :kriwhat:
Shambles messed doffy up lol. Luffy and Law got free shots in because of shambles.

As i said, Shiryu hasn't shown anything. You're wanking him based on headcanon and agenda. I'm basing it on feats and portrayal.
Shiryu hasn't even shown haki lmao.

Against shiryu, law isn't restricted like he was with BM. So he doesn't need someone else.

What is this not sloppy thing? Just because Shiryu back stabbed magellan, all of a sudden he can one shot anyone?

Where did Shiryu show haki, let alone above law's?

You think shiryu would have joined a weaker character than himself? BB was above him pre skip. Magellan had hax =/= shiryu can neg the entire BB pirates lol.

And Dragon had portrayal above Law. Shiryu doesn't. He is a YC. Law was instrumental in defeating a Yonko. They're on two levels.





If shiryu shows SOMETHING, ANYTHING, then talk. I don't mind being wrong. But imo, what Law will show in his fight against BB will put him near the top. We will see i guess.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#73
Because Lafitte is asking BB, the guy shiryu is under, whether he want to run away. Because Law is that strong.
Law is that strong that he lasted until Blackbeard used a first named move with Yami no Mi... :saden:
Do you remember what Shiryu's equal from pre-TS did to Blackbeard and Lafitte?

Because all Shiryu has going for him is his clear clear fruit. Shiryu is a underhanded fighter. And Law has pretty good coo that is boosted by his fruit.

Shiryu is done because the same trick wont work twice. You think Shiryu has yonko level dura?

Also as i said, You're trying to downplay Law from the past. Law has changed too much. Vergo had the advantage because he had LAw's damn heart lol. The moment he got it back, vergo went pieces.
You do know that Shiryu was a top tier swordsman BEFORE he ate a Devil fruit?
Was he an underhanded fighter before he ate Clear no Mi? lol
You totally confused what Shiryu is like...

Name some of those Law's "good CoO" moments that are boosted by his fruit.
Was Doffy done because the "same trick wont work twice"? And there are no tricks on Shiryu.
Shiryu's durability is same as Shanks', Mihawk's, Rayleigh's... Normal human durability of top-tier caliber.

I am not downplaying Law, you are trying to paint him in a better picture than he actually is.
He got Awakening, a thing that absolutely does nothing for his mediocre CQC.
Law held his heart in his hands when Vergo speed-blitzed him head-on, lol.
Vergo went to pieces because of his own overconfidence, trying to face tank attacks.

Shambles messed doffy up lol. Luffy and Law got free shots in because of shambles.

As i said, Shiryu hasn't shown anything. You're wanking him based on headcanon and agenda. I'm basing it on feats and portrayal.
Shiryu hasn't even shown haki lmao.

Against shiryu, law isn't restricted like he was with BM. So he doesn't need someone else.

What is this not sloppy thing? Just because Shiryu back stabbed magellan, all of a sudden he can one shot anyone?

Where did Shiryu show haki, let alone above law's?

You think shiryu would have joined a weaker character than himself? BB was above him pre skip. Magellan had hax =/= shiryu can neg the entire BB pirates lol.

And Dragon had portrayal above Law. Shiryu doesn't. He is a YC. Law was instrumental in defeating a Yonko. They're on two levels.





If shiryu shows SOMETHING, ANYTHING, then talk. I don't mind being wrong. But imo, what Law will show in his fight against BB will put him near the top. We will see i guess.
And do you expect Luffy to be present in the fight vs Shiryu so he can Shamble himself or Luffy to land attacks? lol
Why didnt he get free shots with Shambles when he faced Doffy 1vs1? Shiryu's equal has shown plenty and Shiryu's even stronger now.
He is more hopeless vs Shiryu than vs Big Mom where he had all the free shots he could wish for. No free shots vs Shiryu.

Sloppy thing is people like Blackbeard and Big Mom, the people who get smacked in the face by everyone.
Considering that Zoro one-shot the toughest being in the world, you can bet your ass that Shiryu can one-shot Law.
Shiryu never had a chance to showcase Haki, just like Dragon didnt. Doesnt mean they dont have any.

Yes, Shiryu joined a weaker guy than himself, just like Zoro did.
Magellan is also quite sloppy and yet negged Blackbeard and his crew. Imagine what speedster like Shiryu can do with even higher lethality... Katakuri, Oden, Rayleigh and Beckman are YCs too, it doesnt stop them from being stronger than Law. Yall need to get this thing outta your head that YCs are below Law by default, lol.

All I can tell you is that Zoro's opponents are on another level, just like King's toughness was on another level compared to WSC's.
Shiryu doesnt need to talk, his future job is to keep King of Hell occupied. It's a job only selected few can hope to do.
If Law survives Black Hole, it will be an achievement... As long as he is facing sloppy people, you need to lower your expectations.
 
#74
Law is that strong that he lasted until Blackbeard used a first named move with Yami no Mi... :saden:
Do you remember what Shiryu's equal from pre-TS did to Blackbeard and Lafitte?
"shiryu's equal". That is dubious at best lol. Shiryu was in a cell. I doubt he went inside willingly. He had to have been put there by Magellen. And Magellan had confidence that he could detain shiryu again if he went rogue. Magellan has broken hax. Shiryu can't match that. Him being more violent and cruel while magellan was more reasonable was probably the reason the prisoners thought they were relative.

You do know that Shiryu was a top tier swordsman BEFORE he ate a Devil fruit?
Was he an underhanded fighter before he ate Clear no Mi? lol
You totally confused what Shiryu is like...

Name some of those Law's "good CoO" moments that are boosted by his fruit.
Was Doffy done because the "same trick wont work twice"? And there are no tricks on Shiryu.
Shiryu's durability is same as Shanks', Mihawk's, Rayleigh's... Normal human durability of top-tier caliber.

I am not downplaying Law, you are trying to paint him in a better picture than he actually is.
He got Awakening, a thing that absolutely does nothing for his mediocre CQC.
Law held his heart in his hands when Vergo speed-blitzed him head-on, lol.
Vergo went to pieces because of his own overconfidence, trying to face tank attacks.
Law teleported from roof top right to sanji's shoulder. That's a pretty good coo feat.

As i said many times, the Law that fought Doffy =/= current Law.

Lol. Shiryu doesn't have the same dura as them lol. They have superior haki that boosts theirs. Shiryu doesn't.

And i'm not downplaying shiryu when he hasn't shown anything at all.

You say cqc. What does shiryu have going for him more than Law? Him being a swordsman? Law is also a good swordsman lol.

Nah. The moment Law got his heart back, Vergo haki'd up and got negged lmao. Go read it again.

And do you expect Luffy to be present in the fight vs Shiryu so he can Shamble himself or Luffy to land attacks? lol
Why didnt he get free shots with Shambles when he faced Doffy 1vs1? Shiryu's equal has shown plenty and Shiryu's even stronger now.
He is more hopeless vs Shiryu than vs Big Mom where he had all the free shots he could wish for. No free shots vs Shiryu.

Sloppy thing is people like Blackbeard and Big Mom, the people who get smacked in the face by everyone.
Considering that Zoro one-shot the toughest being in the world, you can bet your ass that Shiryu can one-shot Law.
Shiryu never had a chance to showcase Haki, just like Dragon didnt. Doesnt mean they dont have any.
Shambles is absolutely useful against guys like shiryu lol. Doffy knew the op op no mi. Shiryu doesn't. He doesn't have the mobility of doffy either. Law can dodge and teleport himself and shiryu. So he will have a hard time tagging law.


You're scaling shiryu to zoro lol. That's the problem. For all you know, shiryu could be a tricky opponent who challenges zoro's coo.

Zoro didn't oneshot king in his "invincible" form lol. King went mega retard and threw away his advantage.

Yes, Shiryu joined a weaker guy than himself, just like Zoro did.
Magellan is also quite sloppy and yet negged Blackbeard and his crew. Imagine what speedster like Shiryu can do with even higher lethality... Katakuri, Oden, Rayleigh and Beckman are YCs too, it doesnt stop them from being stronger than Law. Yall need to get this thing outta your head that YCs are below Law by default, lol.

All I can tell you is that Zoro's opponents are on another level, just like King's toughness was on another level compared to WSC's.
Shiryu doesnt need to talk, his future job is to keep King of Hell occupied. It's a job only selected few can hope to do.
If Law survives Black Hole, it will be an achievement... As long as he is facing sloppy people, you need to lower your expectations.
And here's where your zoro fanboyism come's forth fully.
Luffy wasn't weaker than Zoro when he joined, and he sure as hell ain't now.

Where did you get speedster shiryu from lol?

Magellan isn't sloppy when he's actually trying. Against Luffy, and against the BBP he was trying and he got it done.

Law clears Kata lol. Oden too arguably. Beckman we haven't seen enough.

Law is above yc because he defeated a yonko lol. That's simple portrayal. Not my fault if you can't understand.

King had a gimmick, and he had to throw it away for zoro to win. Shiryu's gimmick seems like it will be to test zoro's coo.

BB ain't gonna be sloppy from now on. If Law gets low diffed, then i will admit i was wrong :kayneshrug:
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#76
"shiryu's equal". That is dubious at best lol. Shiryu was in a cell. I doubt he went inside willingly. He had to have been put there by Magellen. And Magellan had confidence that he could detain shiryu again if he went rogue. Magellan has broken hax. Shiryu can't match that. Him being more violent and cruel while magellan was more reasonable was probably the reason the prisoners thought they were relative.
Whenever a manga statement is against your headcanon, you start doubting it... lol
Manga fact is that he was Magellan's equal who was considered even more dangerous than Magellan.
And then he powered up by eating a DF so now, he is Magellan's superior.
Manga says that Shiryu could match it all and thus his equal.


Law teleported from roof top right to sanji's shoulder. That's a pretty good coo feat.

As i said many times, the Law that fought Doffy =/= current Law.

Lol. Shiryu doesn't have the same dura as them lol. They have superior haki that boosts theirs. Shiryu doesn't.

And i'm not downplaying shiryu when he hasn't shown anything at all.

You say cqc. What does shiryu have going for him more than Law? Him being a swordsman? Law is also a good swordsman lol.

Nah. The moment Law got his heart back, Vergo haki'd up and got negged lmao. Go read it again.
Dont be silly, lmao. Are Lawbros that desperate to call that thing a CoO feat because he got nothing better? :milaugh:
Yeah, current Law got stronger attacks. Stronger attacks=/=better CQC.
What do you know about Shiryu's haki, lol? Imagine a top-tier swordsman with Saijo O Wazamono having shit haki...
Dragon hasnt shown anything, Imu hasnt shown anything, just like Shiryu... Doesn't mean they are weaker than Law because of it.

Law is actually quite a bad swordsman, we saw his CQC against Smoker and Doffy. Inferior to both.
Inferior to Vergo's as well. What has Law actually achieved with his CQC against Doffy?
And if you ask why Shiryu is better at CQC - because swordsmen have to be that good, they cannot allow themselves to be hit.
And Law gets hit way too often, head on.

Shambles is absolutely useful against guys like shiryu lol. Doffy knew the op op no mi. Shiryu doesn't. He doesn't have the mobility of doffy either. Law can dodge and teleport himself and shiryu. So he will have a hard time tagging law.


You're scaling shiryu to zoro lol. That's the problem. For all you know, shiryu could be a tricky opponent who challenges zoro's coo.

Zoro didn't oneshot king in his "invincible" form lol. King went mega retard and threw away his advantage.
How will he Shamble him? With what target? Do you know how it works? Can he even Shamble him if Shiryu uses haki to oppose it?
Shiryu doesnt have Doffy's mobility? lol You keep forgetting that we are in end game already and that Zoro's opponents are in league of their own, lol... Even the WSC was out-toughed by Zoro's opponent. And you think top tier swordsman of Shiryu's caliber is not mobile enough to do what Doffy did in CQC... lol
Seems like you want Law to play running away with Shambles while it might not even work considering Shiryu's haki...
Actually, Shiryu might be something else entirely, a guy who needs a specific technique to be targetted.
Even outside of invincible mode, King is still the toughest guy around, tanking aCoC slashes with his face.
And Zoro didnt only one-shot him, he also one-shotted his Hardening clad sword and his ultimate huge magma dragon, all with same attack.

And here's where your zoro fanboyism come's forth fully.
Luffy wasn't weaker than Zoro when he joined, and he sure as hell ain't now.

Where did you get speedster shiryu from lol?

Magellan isn't sloppy when he's actually trying. Against Luffy, and against the BBP he was trying and he got it done.

Law clears Kata lol. Oden too arguably. Beckman we haven't seen enough.

Law is above yc because he defeated a yonko lol. That's simple portrayal. Not my fault if you can't understand.

King had a gimmick, and he had to throw it away for zoro to win. Shiryu's gimmick seems like it will be to test zoro's coo.

BB ain't gonna be sloppy from now on. If Law gets low diffed, then i will admit i was wrong :kayneshrug:
There is no fanboyism. You saw with your own eyes overwhelming difference in power between Luffy and Zoro during roofpiece when both faced the same guy. Zoro has never been weaker than Luffy, yall need to accept that fact.
You didnt know that Shiryu pulled the same move Zoro does when he does Draw and ReSheath speed-blitz moves? Now you know.

He may not be sloppy compared to sloppy guys like Big Mom and Blackbeard but compared to Shiryu, he is sloppy for sure.
How will Law clear a guy who sees his every move and can morph around his attacks? Katakuri is better at CQC than Doffy, lol.
Law clears Oden? The guy on same level as Shanks, Rocks, Roger and Whitebeard? Shiet man, we must be speaking about different Law... If Beckman is Moon to Shanks's Sun and a capable sniper, good luck to Law, lol.

Law isnt above YCs because he didnt defeat a Yonko. It was a bomb who defeated a Yonko after Law AND Kidd ganged up on a Yonko.
3vs1 versus a sloppy Yonko with free hits and still failing to take her out will never make Law above YCs. At least not above YC1s.

King doesnt have a gimmick. He trades toughness for speed because without speed he couldnt do anything vs Zoro.
Shiryu's gimmick will probably be an ability to test his CoA, not his CoO because Zoro's CoO is already good enough to detect him, even if he clears his aura and physical form. It is CoA technique that is required to cut nothing, which is something Law doesnt have...

Blackbeard is always sloppy. He will simply sap Law's DF powers away and that might as well be the end of Law - he achieved nothing.
Blackbeard will fight Luffy, who happens to be one of the sloppiest guys around, especially in Looney Tunes gear.
There are levels to this and yall simply dont notice it but Roof Piece proved it to you all who the absolute Power is - Zoro.
 
#78
This is great hype

We're powerscaling epithets now? Sabo is stronger because he's the flame Emperor! Flames that the King of Hell, the God of the underworld (not strong enough epithet) specifically counters, we're powerscaling epithets but we can't give Zoro his due because being the God of something like hell sounds too important!
Btw where are Law and Kidd's kingly/godly epithets? :risiup:
 
#79
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We're powerscaling epithets now? Sabo is stronger because he's the flame Emperor! Flames that the King of Hell, the God of the underworld (not strong enough epithet) specifically counters, we're powerscaling epithets but we can't give Zoro his due because being the God of something like hell sounds too important!
Btw where are Law and Kidd's kingly/godly epithets? :risiup:
they don't need cringe epithets
they got bounties comparable to yonkos
 
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