Episode Discussion Toyotaro interview reveals that Broly, Bills, Whis, and Grand Priest are stronger than current Goku with iS.

#81
It does or should we believe a random fan somewhere in the world or someone who working with Toyo, is the editor?
If he was wrong Toyo would deny it, with isn´t the case.
Means it is a fact:
Broly,Whis,Beerus and GP are above Jiren.
Uchida : Broly > Goku

Toyo : Granolah Vegeta and Goku are the top 3 mortals in u7

Yea who shoud we believe? I wonder
 
#82
Uchida : Broly > Goku

Toyo : Granolah Vegeta and Goku are the top 3 mortals in u7

Yea who shoud we believe? I wonder
For you:
So let's address the elephant in the room. During an interview that was posted just today, Victory Uchida (a V-Jump editor) and Toyo sat down to discuss the latest developments of the DB manga. One particularly juicy bit of info PL nerds will love is this:

"Goku may have seemed perfect by the end of the Moro arc, but he still has plenty of room to grow: why, there’s Whis, Beerus, Broly, and the Grand Priest!"

Now I'll be honest and get out of the way the fact that Toyo himself does not mention Broly, Victory Uchida does. HOWEVER, Toyo was having a hard time coming up with specific people (reminds you of someone), and Victory Uchida brought up Broly alongside the likes of Whis, Beerus, and the Grand Priest among the people Goku needs to grow to surpass.

I want to bring attention to a particular facet of the interview. Throughout the exchange, Toyo mentions MULTIPLE times that Granola is the number 1 in the universe. Uchida also says the following: "That feeling that THIS is a fight with the strongest in the universe really comes through. It's so cool." Yet a moment before, he still acknowledged Broly as being among the guys above Goku.

So right there, Uchida ALSO acknowledges Granola as the strongest in the universe. Additionally, Toyo also mentions that the fight is between "The number 1, number 2, and number 3" strongest in the universe. Obviously referring to Granola and Goku+Vegeta (dunno who's stronger).

So they keep calling Granola the strongest despite blatantly admitting guys like Whis, Beerus, Grand Priest, and Broly are at the very least number 2 (they never call them stronger than Granola but it's obvious they are). This is very contradictory and confusing. They never specify among mortals either. It's like we're supposed to know a specific subset of people is excluded. But Toyo also dropped this gem: "That's why in the first half of volume 16, we showed there's a level of perfection beyond perfect." This evidently refers to the parts Whis owned UI Goku, and Beerus stomped Vegeta because prior to that, Toyo said Goku had become pretty much perfect by the end of the Moro arc.

Justice Uchida also says: "Yeah we had a hard time understanding what "strongest in the universe meant" Echoing what many of us thought.

If this weren't enough, they took the interview a step further by INCLUDING an image of Broly alongside the people stronger than Goku.

What does this all mean? It's as I have been saying from the beginning. Broly has reached that level of strength "beyond perfect (which only the gods did)", which is why they don't include him (or it could be Toyo forgot about him, who knows?) and whenever Toyo says "strongest in the universe" which he says several times, it excludes these people with that sort of strength (and all of them except Broly are gods). Now for my Beerus fans out there, Whis does the exact same thing when Goku asks him if he knows of anyone stronger and Whis answers not SPECIFICALLY despite Beerus sitting right there. I'd like to point out that during this exchange, they were talking about the strongest "warrior", there was no statement "excluding the gods". It was strongest warrior, period. Just like with the interview, it's assumed the strongest excludes the gods at the very least but Broly was acknowledged as having obtained strength on Beerus' level or above. Why go out of their way to repeatedly mention him when he's no longer relevant? He's not joining the fray, so who cares?


Of course, you can always go the route of "The V-Jump editor sitting with the writer doesn't know what he's talking about!", but then I'd be forced to dig up your post history and find all those times you used official statements from unknown sources as a crutch in debates. I seldom acknowledge anything outside of words from people with authority, but when you have a movie, a novel, and a promotional poster putting Broly alongside Beerus, then to top it all of you got an editor sitting with Toyo who doesn't bother saying otherwise, it becomes REALLY hard to deny the obvious.

So, why not mention Broly by name? I simply don't think it would make any sort of practical sense. Broly doesn't actively fight and isn't involved in the story. Additionally, it would just be dumb that every time they bring up the strongest in the universe, they'd have to mention Broly. It's clear where Broly is meant to be in terms of strength in the story, and they don't need to repeat it over and over again. Of course, we all know what it means for the likes of Gogeta.


Nothing has changed and there has been no retcons. Simply consider Broly excluded whenever they have this discussion about the strongest in the universe because those with that fabled "beyond perfect" strength (gods for the most part) are ignored. Maybe Broly can't tap into his strength anymore. Maybe he became a dad and stopped training. Beerus and Broly are tied to the hip until it's explicitly said otherwise.

To end this, if there were still any doubters Beerus>Goku has been confirmed (not that it wasn't obvious).

Juub out.
If that is not enough for you:

Beerus,Whis,GP and Broly>>Jiren
 
#83
Did you like quote a nonsensical headcanon from the most biased Broly fanboy on this website?

Toyotaro said the top 3 are Goku/Vegeta and Granola, no Broly in sight.

Jiren >>>>> Broly

Granola >>>>> Broly

Goku and Vegeta >>>>> Broly.

Lmao posting a promotional scan like it means anything when actual GUIDE BOOK for Toyo's manga says Jiren is stronger than ALL HAKAISHINS and not "maybe stronger than Beerus" like Broly.
 
#85
He explain it far better then you.
Broly,Whis,Beerus and GP are the highest based on the editor, like it or not.
If he was wrong, Toyo would deny his answer did he do?
The editor is full of CRAP. Toyo is not going to start an argument in an interview.
Toyo denied it when he refused to name Broly and only said "Beerus,Whis,GP".
The editor literally CONTRADICTS what Toyo said about the 3 strongest mortals in U7.
 
#88
Toyo denied it when he refused to name Broly and only said "Beerus,Whis,GP".
It was the opposite, Toyo mentioned Beerus,Whis,GP and then Uchida put Broly into the stage, which Toyo didn´t denied.
Why it would be a big deal, Uchida know more then you did.
You basically try to deny the statement of Uchida, someone who work together with Toyo.
Wtf why we should believe you more? You basically agrue against the official manga.
That is like to disagree with Oda and his editors. If the statement was wrong, Toyo would deny it with isn´t the case.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#90
I'll try to keep it simple

FEEEZA,CELL,BROLY,MORO = DEFEATED,SURPASSED.

JIREN,BEERUS = UNDEFEATED, DID NOT LOSE IN A FIGHT, WERE NOT SURPASSED.

In the 1st case they're all weaker than the next villain

In the 2nd they're not
All 12 gods fought without restraint in the manga's little show of power, whoever restrained himself would be erased, GOKU witnessed all this, when he arrived in Broly's film: You can be stronger than BEEURUS. LOL

I have a friend who's a Beeurus fanboy and I'm a Broly fanboy, it was so ugly in the debates that we came up with an agreement not to mention either character.

Although GOGETTA AND VEGETTO are stronger than ALL THE GODS if they merge now.
Post automatically merged:

"The more he fights, the stronger he gets!! The fearsome monster Broly!!!

Broly fights one fight after another in this latest movie!!
Aside from Goku and Vegeta, it looks like he's going to show his fangs against Frieza too!! more, he gets stronger every time he fights. He undergoes a super-fast transcendent evolution that truly personifies the Saiyans!!

The blazing flames of battle
The Saiyan Instincts Alarm Clocks!!!

"History's Strongest Enemy" appears in the first DBS movie —Broly shakes the world !!

What? Vegeta becomes Super Saiyan God!!

Although it appeared in the manga Dragon Ball Super designed by Toyotaro-sensei, this is its first appearance in the anime !! Keep your eyes open as Vegeta transforms into "Red and Blue"."

Saikyo Jump's editorial office tells readers: "Frankly, the enemy Goku and company are facing in this film is the strongest. Those who believe Goku will win can lose confidence, so be careful." They also ask, "Destructive power greater than a God of Destruction?!"
"they say he's the strongest character in the DB"
"I've never seen such an incredible opponent... S-so strong! Defeated by the strongest of them all, Broly."

The exact ones used to describe Broly here are 「史上 最強」, which literally translates to "the mightiest in history" words, or rather the strongest of all time. One more article that confirms Broly is stronger than Jiren (and solidifies his superiority over Beerus even more).

Awesome... Extraordinary destructive power to shake the world... The blood of the warrior race is boiling!
World premiere says Broly is strongest 3 times.


"Gah...magnificent...what magnificent power!" (Freeza)

It was without doubt, there was no being who could beat this Broly. That was clear after the beating he had just received. To Frieza, he represented a powerful weapon. "

NOVEL
:
"Besides, these are Senzu Beans. Eat two! Eat one of them when you're in trouble or feel like you're about to die. It can't cure disease, but it will heal all your wounds and replenish your energy."

While Cheelay was listening, she gave Goku a suspicious look.

"What are you doing?"

"Nothing. I just want him to have a good life."

Cheelay and Lemo raise their eyebrows and exclaim in unison, "Huh?"

Goku placed his hand on Broly's shoulder.

"I was pretty confident in my own strength, but then the stronger Broly showed up. And besides, he's Saiyan, just like me. He's probably even stronger than Beerus. And Beerus is a god!"


Toyotaro thinks Broly is the strongest:
"The strongest enemy invades Earth!"

Broly suffered ZENKAI after the fight against GOGETA how strong this monster is...
It took GOGETA BLUE to beat him, and the guy doesn't even have 10% of the GOKU and VEGETA training.

He beat GOKU AND VEGETA FULL POWER in 1v2 combat, GOKU and VEGETA post-tournament.

It was also said that GOGETA and BROLY's fight was the highest level of power shown so far, they created dimensions in the punch.

to remind you again that Vegetto and Gogeta surpassed Bills!

V-JUMP 2020 - ( )

In the new edition of V-Jump, on the part of Vegito, it is said that the power of Vegetto Blue (Saga Black) rivals that of Bills!

Great, there is indeed confirmation that Vegetto rivals Bills.

Then there's the information from the September 2018 issue of Saikyo Jump, which says that Broly has a power BEYOND a God of Destruction, and even says that this opponent (Broly) is the strongest opponent of all.

SAIKYO JUMP - ( )

We know that, the Gogeta from the movie was much stronger than the Vegetto from the Black Saga, in addition, using the SSJ, he had to go to BLUE to finish BROLY which we say Broly is at least at the level of GOGETA GOD RED .

Gogeta managed to overcome Broly after a vast fight in which he had the advantage,

The Fusion that comes later will always be stronger, if Vegetto from the Black Saga compared to Bills, then Gogeta, being more powerful, is much stronger than Bills, and if Vegetto appears again, he will be stronger than Bills too.

And yes, Broly's Movie is also valid for the manga!

In the extra pages of Volume 11 of the Super manga, Goku talks about Broly to Merus, and says that they merged to defeat Broly, so the movie is "canonical" for the manga.

Extra pages Volume 11 - ( )

They will have to conform, a long time ago, not only Bills, but all Hakaishins were outdone.


The introduction to the Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is:
"Blue Vegito
Transformed into Blue after merging with the Potara, giving rise to a power that rivals that of Bills."
For the first time, we have a claim that in fact, Vegetto's Power in the Trunks of the Future Saga compares to Bills.
DRAGON BALL is full of contradictions. This SAGA they're doing is a total contradiction to what's been said and done, but being the strongest in dragon ball is too generic, these statements.

In the novel, it is said that Frieza's blows can surprise Broly or even force him to dodge, and when defeated by Broly, Frieza thinks to himself that no one in life would ever be able to defeat him.
And Frieza saw Jiren fight, hehehe and also watched Goku with full IS.​

 
#91
K I got it


Jiren never lost to UI Goku in the manga which is what this thread is about.

Jiren was undefeated the whole ToP and had Vegeta claim they couldn't put a dent on him.

Toyo ratio'd your space Tarzan, Granola,Goku,Vegeta 1st 2nd and 3rd strongest in U7
Anime Jiren also never lost to UI Goku, MUI Goku destroyed the former. Also, this thread literally deals about an interview which confirms Broly > Goku. Take it like you want, your opinion is irrelevant.

How does that matter when they couldn't defeat him in ToP when they're currently still way stronger than him? Also, if Jiren never fought MUI Goku, how can you be sure that MUI Goku can't beat Jiren? Both the anime and the manga are canon sources - and as long as the manga doesn't contradict MUI Goku's feats to Jiren, there's no reason to argue otherwise.

His editor literally put Broly alongside Beerus and Co who are stronger than Goku, yet Toyo never denied it. Should we rather believe the gibberish of a random stranger or Toyo's editor?
 
#93
Having more power than a God of Destruction should be specified which one as we are using the same logic here for Jiren here he's only stronger than the God of Destruction of his universe.

Broly and Beerus could be more comparable as Vegetto Blue the quote you posted says his power rivals that of Beerus. Same logic could be for Gogeta no @ODIAK D.TSEGNORTS
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#94
Cap

Whis says he has surpassed the STATE OF HAKAISHIN LVL STRENGTH not just Belmod


Vados an ANGEL can't comprehend his power


The GUIDEBOOK for Toyo's manga says Jiren>Hakaishins

Be it anime or manga : Jiren >>> Bwoly
Are you not going to try to answer what I marked you fearful?
Are you forcing a loser like Jiren?

On the same pedestal as Broly? HAHAHAHA, broly was called 3 times strongest in a world premiere. He was mentioned as being the most powerful enemy goku has ever faced.

Frieza said that there was no one capable of beating Broly and Frieza participated in the power tournament and saw goku with IS and jiren.

Also, JIREN's Hyper that he is superior to a god is small, he battled vermoud, who was not a god of destruction before.


To tell the truth he didn't even lose, he gave up the fight and wasn't even a god of destruction. HAHAHAHA!!! it's JUST a pathetic rumor that JIREN is stronger than a god of destruction based on a fight he had with vermoud who wasn't even a god.
 
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#95
The editor is full of CRAP. Toyo is not going to start an argument in an interview.
Toyo denied it when he refused to name Broly and only said "Beerus,Whis,GP".
The editor literally CONTRADICTS what Toyo said about the 3 strongest mortals in U7.
Exactly my thought LMAO. If Toyo thought that Broly belongs to the stronger guys he would either mentioned by HIMSELF (which he didn‘t) or he would’ve confirmed it, while mentioning Broly in that fraction (AFTER the INTERVIEWER mentioned him) It‘s clearly confirmed by Toyo, that Vegeta, Granolah and Goku are the 3 strongest in their Universe (if we ignore the superior Beerus, Whis and GP (which is a multiverse person)
 
#96
The editor is full of CRAP. Toyo is not going to start an argument in an interview.
Toyo denied it when he refused to name Broly and only said "Beerus,Whis,GP".
The editor literally CONTRADICTS what Toyo said about the 3 strongest mortals in U7.
He should have done denied it then. That doesn't confirm the opposite either. It's what we have now, unless he confirms otherwise at some point in the manga to disprove that interview.
 
#97
@Extravlad
This is fake ass weak broly version and look what she did back then:
Against Golden Freeza:



Against other fighters(including Vegeta and Toppo).







And this girl is far far far far behind the real Broly.

And here Goku Ultra I vs Jiren:



















You boy get clapped hard by a weaker Goku version who use firsttime UI, the one who fought Moro was even far stronger yet based on the editor he is not on the lvl like Broly,Beerus and co.

It take Gogeta while stronger Goku,Vegeta and Freeza couldn´t do anything to broly.
Look this team effort:

Broly would fuck up all 4 together and eat them alive.
What is pls UI for him when it take Gogeta to face him?
Broly portrayal is clearly above Jiren, why taking your word when we have the editor who confirm us that Broly stand above the rest like Jiren and co?
 
#98
@Extravlad
This is fake ass weak broly version and look what she did back then:
Against Golden Freeza:



Against other fighters(including Vegeta and Toppo).







And this girl is far far far far behind the real Broly.

And here Goku Ultra I vs Jiren:



















You boy get clapped hard by a weaker Goku version who use firsttime UI, the one who fought Moro was even far stronger yet based on the editor he is not on the lvl like Broly,Beerus and co.

It take Gogeta while stronger Goku,Vegeta and Freeza couldn´t do anything to broly.
Look this team effort:

Broly would fuck up all 4 together and eat them alive.
What is pls UI for him when it take Gogeta to face him?
Broly portrayal is clearly above Jiren, why taking your word when we have the editor who confirm us that Broly stand above the rest like Jiren and co?
That's how you crumble headcanons apart.

MUI Goku destroyed Jiren way harder than the anime. He seriously used the manga version in which Jiren looks even worse lol.
 
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