Character Discussion Trafalgar Law and Eustass Kid will both come back stronger in the story

[Monkey D Theories]

You can just read wci and know she was nerfed, also used conquer coating when she did combo attack with kaido
sucks, but at least she didn't get her strongest attack blew off

If you are claiming she was nerfed in every arc she was featured in, then she’s just canonically not as strong as you think.

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it's hilarious people thinking we are gonna waste time on Kid's training arc when he had one in Udon sharing with MC and it did fuck all

It's final saga with a month in universe time till EoS. Kid is not gonna become relevant

Kid doesn’t need a training arc. Oda just off screens side character power ups.

Like how did Law get awakening when we know he didn’t have it in dressrosa?

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Coz the final war is going to happen soon. If the final war happens after 2 years then I can see kid/law being top tiers

That’s not how haki works tho. You literally get massive haki boosts by getting your ass beat.

Luffy:

beat by Kata —-> awakens FS
Beat by Kaido —-> awakens ACoC

If Kid and Law come back at all, they are assured to have stronger, likely advanced haki.

 

[zorovsanji]

Yes it does make sense for them to grow as fast as them lmao you are LEGIT not reading and understanding my arguments. We have evidence from the manga that they HAVE gotten stronger thourought the new world WILL get a lot stronger again because of Oden's prediction The straw hats wont be the only relevent young pirates in the future. they are still young your arguments are terrible you say oda agrees with you yet your arguments are not based on a single panel of the manga only your empty agenda driven words this is insane. Your logic is that they dont have adv haki rn this directly contradicts your claim that they have reached their peak since they could get it in the future what you saying doesnt even remotly make sense.

Then why oda didn't give them adcoc instead? Coz it's just not realistic and it won't be realistic again if they suddenly become top tier during the final war. Wano sales has been suffering coz oda has been nerfing opponents just to accommodate law/kid. Will oda repeat the same mistake again? We will see. Him one shotting kid is a step in the right direction. As others have said, kid/law needs time skip to make it realistic.

 

[NAMELESS]

Anybody that thinks they are done havent understood how Oda writes this manga yet.He always recycles popular characters,so they must be coming back in some way.

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If you are claiming she was nerfed in every arc she was featured in, then she’s just canonically not as strong as you think.

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Kid doesn’t need a training arc. Oda just off screens side character power ups.

Like how did Law get awakening when we know he didn’t have it in dressrosa?

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That’s not how haki works tho. You literally get massive haki boosts by getting your ass beat.

Luffy:

beat by Kata —-> awakens FS
Beat by Kaido —-> awakens ACoC

If Kid and Law come back at all, they are assured to have stronger, likely advanced haki.

he can just draw one panel of them mentioning they have been training hardcore ever since taking Ls from yonko.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Then why oda didn't give them adcoc instead? Coz it's just not realistic and it won't be realistic again if they suddenly become top tier during the final war. Wano sales has been suffering coz oda has been nerfing opponents just to accommodate law/kid. Will oda repeat the same mistake again? We will see. Him one shotting kid is a step in the right direction. As others have said, kid/law needs time skip to make it realistic.

"Wano sales has been suffering coz oda has been nerfing opponents just to accommodate law/kid. " I really dont think you know what you talking about lmao you are just saying whatever rn.

Also whether you a random believes that its realistic that they will get stronger (even though we LIterally saw them all get stronger during the wano arc) or not is irrelavant. Oda provided statements and fatcs in the manga that it will happen. Its on you to acknowldge it or denying it because their recent defeat blinded you.

 

[zorovsanji]

"Wano sales has been suffering coz oda has been nerfing opponents just to accommodate law/kid. " I really dont think you know what you talking about lmao you are just saying whatever rn.

Also whether you a random believes that its realistic that they will get stronger (even though we LIterally saw them all get stronger during the wano arc) or not is irrelavant. Oda provided statements and fatcs in the manga that it will happen. Its on you to acknowldge it or denying it because their recent defeat blinded you.

Side chars don't have the same growth rate as the MCs so only the MCs can be yonkos after TS. It's unrealistic for kid/law to be as strong as Luffy in the final arc. Their limit is yc1 which they are right now.

 

[kurwa]

Yes he will. You guys talk about the final war like its going to happen in the next arc or something there is more time than yall think there will be plenty of time it most likely will be the final arc in one piece. and we have the oden prediction meaning no matter how much you guys whine about how they are irrelevant because they lost it will still just happen because oda alreasdy laid the ground for it

Law, Kid and fucking Killer's irrelevant ass did not strike down Kaido, it was strawhats. (Luffy vs Kaido, and strawhats his crew)
Law and Kid stroke down Big Mom and Killer did nothing.

Just like Toki's prophecy about 9 scabbards was wrong about 9 of them killing Orochi when it was just denjiro and barely did anything relevant in the war:

Law will for sure return. Oda admitted he was too popular and retconned him into a D, so he has some chance of opposing WG, but not 100% because there are D's like Garp who help out WG.

But Kid and Killer are irrelevant.
Oda had narrator literally use the word "destroyed" for their defeat unlike with Law.
They have no reason to come and start fighting WG for no reason. Their 1 thing was just finding the one piece.

 

[GoldDiamond]

then she’s just canonically not as strong as you think.

What she did in wci was canonically in the manga though, her using coating with kaido and in a dory/brogy which requires equal outputs and then not doing it after just means she was nerfed, though if she's not strong as you think why do you rank kid, law so high??

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Law, Kid and fucking Killer's irrelevant ass did not strike down Kaido, it was strawhats. (Luffy vs Kaido, and strawhats his crew)
Law and Kid stroke down Big Mom and Killer did nothing.

Just like Toki's prophecy about 9 scabbards was wrong about 9 of them killing Orochi when it was just denjiro and barely did anything relevant in the war:

Law will for sure return. Oda admitted he was too popular and retconned him into a D, so he has some chance of opposing WG, but not 100% because there are D's like Garp who help out WG.

But Kid and Killer are irrelevant.
Oda had narrator literally use the word "destroyed" for their defeat unlike with Law.
They have no reason to come and start fighting WG for no reason. Their 1 thing was just finding the one piece.

Kid and Law were part of the alliance that took down kaido Kid and law were in fact intrumental because if they didnt take down big mom obv kaido would not have lost too. They took down someone just as important as him. Odens prediction about being kaido got taken out is factual as of today and the example you used does not invalidate his prediction. AT ALL

Kid and Law WERE the most relevant in the fight that took down kaido right below luffy whether you like it or not

Also concerning your concern about kid being "destroyed" so he cant come back id let you know that the straw hats were "completely destroyed" back in sabaody

"they have noo reason to fight the wg" Lol all the anserws are literally in the manga. You just need to read.

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What she did in wci was canonically in the manga though, her using coating with kaido and in a dory/brogy which requires equal outputs and then not doing it after just means she was nerfed, though if she's not strong as you think why do you rank kid, law so high??

where did you get that kaido and big mom used coating in hakai?

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Side chars don't have the same growth rate as the MCs so only the MCs can be yonkos after TS. It's unrealistic for kid/law to be as strong as Luffy in the final arc. Their limi
t is yc1 which they are right now.

They literally do lmao thats literally what happened in wano what are you talking about. I might have agreed with you if you meant luffy aka the protagonist only but you tried to swoop in his crew aka everyone in his crew. Which is a blatant. You telling me franky grows faster than Kid and law? lol be serious

Shanks: dont underestimate how fast these youngsters grow
zorovsanji: No Shanks is talking about the mcs even though he is about to fight Kid
This is probably how you read that panel

 

[Monkey D Theories]

What she did in wci was canonically in the manga though, her using coating with kaido and in a dory/brogy which requires equal outputs and then not doing it after just means she was nerfed, though if she's not strong as you think why do you rank kid, law so high??

She used CoC against Kid’s damned punk. It’s in both the anime and manga.

Also I only rank Kid and Law as YC1s. Not nearly as high as other people do.

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But Kid and Killer are irrelevant.
Oda had narrator literally use the word "destroyed" for their defeat unlike with Law.

That’s fake tension.

Loda literally does this shit every arc. Kid and Killer “died” in the same way as Sabo.

 

[zorovsanji]

Kid and Law were part of the alliance that took down kaido Kid and law were in fact intrumental because if they didnt take down big mom obv kaido would not have lost too. They took down someone just as important as him. Odens prediction about being kaido got taken out is factual as of today and the example you used does not invalidate his prediction. AT ALL

Kid and Law WERE the most relevant in the fight that took down kaido right below luffy whether you like it or not

Also concerning your concern about kid being "destroyed" so he cant come back id let you know that the straw hats were "completely destroyed" back in sabaody

"they have noo reason to fight the wg" Lol all the anserws are literally in the manga. You just need to read.

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where did you get that kaido and big mom used coating in hakai?

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They literally do lmao thats literally what happened in wano what are you talking about. I might have agreed with you if you meant luffy aka the protagonist only but you tried to swoop in his crew aka everyone in his crew. Which is a blatant. You telling me franky grows faster than Kid and law? lol be serious

Shanks: dont underestimate how fast these youngsters grow
zorovsanji: No Shanks is talking about the mcs even though he is about to fight Kid
This is probably how you read that panel

Law/kid won't be stronger than Sanji in the final war. I think mid trio also will be stronger than them

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Great more time to waste on Kid

Look at the bright side, he is going to get clowned again because he is a fodder, and we're going to have fun coming back to this kind of thread

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Law/kid won't be stronger than Sanji in the final war. I think mid trio also will be stronger than them

Alright buddy lmao stay you are free to believe in your delusions

 

[kurwa]

Kid and Law were part of the alliance that took down kaido

Everyone was part of the alliance that took down Kaido

Kid and law were in fact intrumental because if they didnt take down big mom obv kaido would not have lost too

That's stupid and has nothing to do with Kaido

Everyone had to win their fights

They took down someone just as important as him

calm down, it's just big mom

even Queen one shotted her

Odens prediction about being kaido got taken out is factual as of today and the example you used does not invalidate his prediction. AT ALL

Except Luffy the one who took down Kaido not them, so it's not factual at all
You think Killer took down Kaido?

Here's a question for you, you think Killer's fodder ass is gonna be one of the most important figures in the final war?

Kid and Law WERE the most relevant in the fight that took down kaido right below luffy whether you like it or not

literally says right there- Big Mom

Also concerning your concern about kid being "destroyed" so he cant come back id let you know that the straw hats were "completely destroyed" back in sabaody

And they did not come back for 2 years.
And those are the MAIN CHARACTERS, not a fodder ass characters who were just used as plot device for road poneglyps for the rest yonko

"they have noo reason to fight the wg" Lol all the anserws are literally in the manga. You just need to read.

What's the answer here?
Kid is gonna appear out of nowhere and start fighting WG like a hero because they are "bad"?

 

[zorovsanji]

Alright buddy lmao stay you are free to believe in your delusions

We'll see who's correct. As of now kid got one shotted

 

[Monkey D Theories]

We'll see who's correct. As of now kid got one shotted

so did Luffy against kaido (multiple times)

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Everyone was part of the alliance that took down Kaido

That's stupid and has nothing to do with Kaido

Everyone had to win their fights

calm down, it's just big mom

even Queen one shotted her

Except Luffy the one who took down Kaido not them, so it's not factual at all
You think Killer took down Kaido?

Here's a question for you, you think Killer's fodder ass is gonna be one of the most important figures in the final war?

literally says right there- Big Mom

And they did not come back for 2 years.
And those are the MAIN CHARACTERS, not a fodder ass characters who were just used as plot device for road poneglyps for the rest yonko

What's the answer here?
Kid is gonna appear out of nowhere and start fighting WG like a hero because they are "bad"?

"calm down its just big mom" none other than an emperor of the sea someon of kaidos status. They took down someone just as important as Kaido in that arc making their relevance in wano only second to luffys lol the level of disingenuousness is disgusting you guys would do anything to discredit people.

"Except Luffy the one who took down Kaido not them, so it's not factual at all
You think Killer took down Kaido?"
This is so stupid on so many levels. They HELPED in taking him down without big mom (who is just as troublesome as kaido) being defeated luffy would have been 2v1ed at the end of the raid and would have lost once again their relevance was second to luffys you can deny it if you want so yes my dude they did help take down kaido. killer will be relevant too because he is literally the first mate of someone who had a huge role in onigashima he just doesnt have to be yonko or admiral level or some shit.

Law and Kill WILL be relevant in the final war because they are young and have a lot of room to grow especially after losing(this is basic shonen rule btw people strive to get stronger after losing especially strong willed people like kid who has yet to unlock acoc). You want them out of the picture so bad that you forget such basic things the straw hats will not be by themselves agaisnt all the top tiers in the wg they simply wont win. Just like how they would not have won in wano if kid and law didnt take down big mom. Put your hate aside and you would understand that

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We'll see who's correct. As of now kid got one shotted

Its funny how Kid literally does the same thing luffy does but gets 100000x more hates lmao. You guys will be speechless when he reaches his prime with mastered acoc and mastered devil fruit

 

[Luffy is the mc]

so did Luffy against kaido (multiple times)

Only once actually. That was before Udon. Post Wano Luffy is not one shotable

 

[The White Crane]

Law, Kid and fucking Killer's irrelevant ass did not strike down Kaido, it was strawhats. (Luffy vs Kaido, and strawhats his crew)
Law and Kid stroke down Big Mom and Killer did nothing.

Just like Toki's prophecy about 9 scabbards was wrong about 9 of them killing Orochi when it was just denjiro and barely did anything relevant in the war:

Law will for sure return. Oda admitted he was too popular and retconned him into a D, so he has some chance of opposing WG, but not 100% because there are D's like Garp who help out WG.

But Kid and Killer are irrelevant.
Oda had narrator literally use the word "destroyed" for their defeat unlike with Law.
They have no reason to come and start fighting WG for no reason. Their 1 thing was just finding the one piece.

 

[park_min young]

That's why BM has to be nerfed, not using adcoc, just so the 2 could beat them. So 2 Luffy is capable of beating that BM. Once they faced a non nerfed yonko, they got one shotted.

Who got 1 shotted again?

Spoiler

”Shall we go back to the ship commodore?”
Law was legit hyped up as worthy of his 3 bill like twice or thrice in the entire battle.

Also Law‘s haki is above average for high-tiers, he has shown how to counter df hax shortly after seeing it once lol. Only top-tiers (Kaido and BM) were shown capable of negating df hax aside from Law. Kid has also shown growth, getting one shotted isn’t a big deal in the grand scheme of things. If anything, Kid will learn from this and will get haki powerups after getting humiliated like that. Top-tiers are also susceptible to getting one shotted lol, Oden is implied that he would have two shotted Kaido when given clean hits. Shanks has at least comparable damage output to Oden if not much higher, it won’t be surprising that he can 1 shot someone on his level let alone a growing Kidd, someone who’s not top-tier yet.

 

[kurwa]

calm down its just big mom" none other than an emperor of the sea someon of kaidos status

Exactly, status not strength

and we know yonko status is a joke since even a literal clown can become one

This is so stupid on so many levels. They HELPED in taking him down without big mom

Again, stop it

that has nothing to do with taking down kaido
Kaido. It’s like saying that Nami took down kaido because she took down ulti
Did the prophecy mention that?

killer will be relevant too because he is literally the first mate of someone who had a huge role in onigashima he just doesnt have to be yonko or admiral level or some shit.

So Bepo is gonna be one of the key figures just because he’s law’s first mate?

Killer alone proves your prophecy is bullshit with just few questions:
You think Killer will be more important/relevant than Sanji in the final war?
You think Killer will be more important/relevant than Yamato in the final war?
You think Killer will be more important/relevant than Marco in the final war?