Character Discussion Trafalgar Law and Eustass Kid will both come back stronger in the story
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"They are too weak even if they return" Damn... I made this thread for nothing... Here I will repeat myself just for you. No they are not too weak they just managed to defeat a yonko. aka the second most impressive feat in wano. they just lost to shanks and blackbeard How can you say in good faith that they are too weak even if they return when one arc later and one of them told us not to underestimate how fast the new generation grows....
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You got me fucked up if you think zoro without koh and law can genuinely defeat her. Also the difference is that law and kid got back up after getting koed. Zoro did not and he said that enma would KILL him if the fight kept dragging. Kid and Law were about to start fighting kaido in 1043 even if they knew they had 0 chance they obv wouldnt have lasted long though. They fought from chapter 1015 until 1040 while zoro's fight was from 1023 to 1035. Please do not be biased bro.
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"They are too weak even if they return" Damn... I made this thread for nothing... Here I will repeat myself just for you. No they are not too weak they just managed to defeat a yonko. aka the second most impressive feat in wano. they just lost to shanks and blackbeard How can you say in good faith that they are too weak even if they return when one arc later and one of them told us not to underestimate how fast the new generation grows....
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You got me fucked up if you think zoro without koh and law can genuinely defeat her. Also the difference is that law and kid got back up after getting koed. Zoro did not and he said that enma would KILL him if the fight kept dragging. Kid and Law were about to start fighting kaido in 1043 even if they knew they had 0 chance they obv wouldnt have lasted long though. They fought from chapter 1015 until 1040 while zoro's fight was from 1023 to 1035. Please do not be biased bro.
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Zoro low diffs midd and law
Wait why would you say that if kid and law were in the same arc as zoro they would play a bigger role, fight stronger opponents yet be weaker than him I dont get it?
Idk how you missed that but Law did try to run away, reread chapter 1063.
As for Kid, once again I dont know how you missed that but he is just like luffy personality wise he is not backing down from a fight and running away no matter how bad the odds are. In chapter 1076 Shanks had Rockstar deliver an ultimatum to Kid. "Hand over your poneglyph and leave or we are fighting". Knowing his personality Kid was not going to just hand over his poneglyph nor was he going to run away because it was not an option and its not his mindset. one thing I agree on though is that Kid probably got cocky after his fight against big mom
The letter says that the pirates leading the next generation will be coming to take down Kaido. But obviously after seeing how stacked the wg's side is they will also involved in their defeat that's pretty obvious in my eyes
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Idk how you missed that but Law did try to run away, reread chapter 1063.
As for Kid, once again I dont know how you missed that but he is just like luffy personality wise he is not backing down from a fight and running away no matter how bad the odds are. In chapter 1076 Shanks had Rockstar deliver an ultimatum to Kid. "Hand over your poneglyph and leave or we are fighting". Knowing his personality Kid was not going to just hand over his poneglyph nor was he going to run away because it was not an option and its not his mindset. one thing I agree on though is that Kid probably got cocky after his fight against big mom
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The letter says that the pirates leading the next generation will be coming to take down Kaido. But obviously after seeing how stacked the wg's side is they will also involved in their defeat that's pretty obvious in my eyes
Kyros beat Diamante while Lanji beat nobody in Dressrosa, but Kyros obviously is not stronger than the Cook.
Marco beat nobody in Wano while Inu beat Jack, but we can all agree Inu is not stronger than Marco.
I have no doubt that Zoro would have been able to beat Big Mom or Kaido, but Wano proves that Lolda did not consider Zoro to be an important enough character to write this scenario.
I have no more reason to believe Zoro will be more important for the story than Kidd or Law, but I also have no more reason to believe Zoro will be weaker than Kidd or Law.
Problem is Kid's character is built around him going for the one piece and becoming PK.
Law on the other hand has never been portrayed to want to go after the throne. He built his life around taking down Doffy and uncovering what the will of D entails. I think Law will come back in some capacity in the final war. He has to. His story is nearly identical to that of Robin. If there are two characters who have a personal vendetta with the world government and celestial dragons it's Law and Robin.
Law on the other hand has never been portrayed to want to go after the throne. He built his life around taking down Doffy and uncovering what the will of D entails. I think Law will come back in some capacity in the final war. He has to. His story is nearly identical to that of Robin. If there are two characters who have a personal vendetta with the world government and celestial dragons it's Law and Robin.
I'm not the one who is being biased. Zoro took a lot more damage than Kidd throughout the rooftop battle because he actually contributed to something.
If he started a fight with Kidd's damage vs Onigashima Big Meme and had Law by his side, then Zoro and Law would win no doubt about that.
If he started a fight with Kidd's damage vs Onigashima Big Meme and had Law by his side, then Zoro and Law would win no doubt about that.
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Because they are too weak, that simple.
I was saying that the whole time that both of them suck and I called it that both will be trashed when they have to pull their weights in 1vs1. And what happened? Exactly what I said would happen. And I repeat, they will remain too weak even if they return.
Dont confuse situations where they can look ok with them being strong. As long as they are staying away from Haki and with mediocre CQC skills, they will remain weak. I dont see Haki benefiting the combat style of either of them and their CQC will never change.
Give them another fat blob like Meme and allow them 2vs1 and they will look strong again even though they are too weak.
I was saying that the whole time that both of them suck and I called it that both will be trashed when they have to pull their weights in 1vs1. And what happened? Exactly what I said would happen. And I repeat, they will remain too weak even if they return.
Dont confuse situations where they can look ok with them being strong. As long as they are staying away from Haki and with mediocre CQC skills, they will remain weak. I dont see Haki benefiting the combat style of either of them and their CQC will never change.
Give them another fat blob like Meme and allow them 2vs1 and they will look strong again even though they are too weak.
They will come back to help luffy against imu. The fight will be very difficult and many people will attack the strawhats and the grand fleet we will have a point were we will think that the strawhats wanna lose but then in a epic double page we gonna see kidd and law how they will enter the battlefield to fight the marines too. We will have gag moments between the trio worstgen captains
You are wrong though lmao them losing to bb and shanks does not make them trash if thats the case then 99% of the verse is trash for losing to literally the top 1% of the world that is absolutely a brain dead take
Especially since they are still young and WILL absolutely get stronger that is a fact I just think that you hate them and got excited to call them trash after losing against top tiers. Will you also call shanks trash when he eventually loses to blackbeard? And shanks unlike kid and law wont get much stronger anymore since he is in his prime and they arent.
And we also know that they will be one of the main figures of the final war so there is no doubt about them getting a lot stronger for the war.
Especially since they are still young and WILL absolutely get stronger that is a fact I just think that you hate them and got excited to call them trash after losing against top tiers. Will you also call shanks trash when he eventually loses to blackbeard? And shanks unlike kid and law wont get much stronger anymore since he is in his prime and they arent.
And we also know that they will be one of the main figures of the final war so there is no doubt about them getting a lot stronger for the war.
You are wrong though lmao them losing to bb and shanks does not make them trash if thats the case then 99% of the verse is trash for losing to literally the top 1% of the world that is absolutely a brain dead take
Especially since they are still young and WILL absolutely get stronger that is a fact I just think that you hate them and got excited to call them trash after losing against top tiers. Will you also call shanks trash when he eventually loses to blackbeard? And shanks unlike kid and law wont get much stronger anymore since he is in his prime and they arent.
And we also know that they will be one of the main figures of the final war so there is no doubt about them getting a lot stronger for the war.
Especially since they are still young and WILL absolutely get stronger that is a fact I just think that you hate them and got excited to call them trash after losing against top tiers. Will you also call shanks trash when he eventually loses to blackbeard? And shanks unlike kid and law wont get much stronger anymore since he is in his prime and they arent.
And we also know that they will be one of the main figures of the final war so there is no doubt about them getting a lot stronger for the war.
Or at least in their ballpark... So, indeed, if they cant grow strong enough to face the top 1%, they will remain too weak.
And I indeed predict that they will not go from being humiliated to being able to stand their ground.
"I predict that they will not go from being humiliated to being able to stand their ground" Lmao it just looks like you hate them it takes 3 secs to understand that what you said made no sense. YES they absolutely will get a lot stronger they are still young and have a lot of room to grow. kid went from being no diffed by the red hair crew to beating big mon 2v1. now he lost to shanks he will get stronger again and its obvious because he can still get acoc. as for Law we have literally seen him getting MUCH stronger after the events of dressrosa he is leaps and bound above his dressrosa counterpart just like luffy zoro and sanji why are you so adamant about them not getting stronger did seeing them lose agaisnt the 0.1% of the one peace verse fry your brain? They are young they both WILL get stronger.
And finally we know for a fact that they will be in the final war. part of the main figures in fact so they absolutely will get a lot stronger, its really not a stretch to think so the evidence are literally in front of you
And finally we know for a fact that they will be in the final war. part of the main figures in fact so they absolutely will get a lot stronger, its really not a stretch to think so the evidence are literally in front of you
kid and law wont defeat bb and shanks that has never been my point and i never even said they would. you ignore everything else i said because i was right. If i use your logic zoro should not have gotten stronger because he got defeated by post ts lucci the yetti cool brothers and kaido on the roof and will never get to fight these opponents again. this makes no sense at all lol
Your point is that Law and Kidd will be relevant in end game, a stage where people like Shanks and Blackbeard are left and right... lol
You are wrong, they are incapable of being strong enough to face people like that.
If you used my logic, you wouldnt think what you think. Zoro cant help neither Law nor Kidd but they could learn a thing or two from him.
You are wrong, they are incapable of being strong enough to face people like that.
If you used my logic, you wouldnt think what you think. Zoro cant help neither Law nor Kidd but they could learn a thing or two from him.
Law will eventually come back for sure, probably really soon. Otherwise Oda could just have made BB trash him like Shanks did with Kidd and gave them the same exact portrayal. But it probably was to draw a different between current BB and Shanks. And of course he will be somewhat someway stronger yet Law "saga", the yonko saga, is done, his major role ended. Now they are running for the OP and the players are Luffy, BB and Shanks. Kidd and Law have been thrown out of the race. So he will still do something, fight in the final war, appear here and there but that is it. At least proven otherwise.
Kidd got destroyed, it seems his whole "dream" is shattered. Oda was for once so "decisive" to even have his ship erased and the last we have seen of Kidd and his crew is hin falling on the ocean floor. Oda couldn't have made it more clear, but it is still Oda we are talking about so it is to tread this carefully. Anyway either he is done with the story and we will never see him again, really difficult tbh, or he will have some role like appearing in the final war or something like that, way more Oda style, or he comes back but has some sort of growing as a character realizing how stupid he was. But I think that when Luffy and co get to Elbaf Kidd will almost for sure reappear and have sone role in that arc, I just hope he doesn't become the new Law aka non official SHs for an arc or 2. But It wouldn't make much sense since now Luffy has to play with BB and Shanks and have Kidd there derp around with the SHs wouldn't make sense.
Kidd got destroyed, it seems his whole "dream" is shattered. Oda was for once so "decisive" to even have his ship erased and the last we have seen of Kidd and his crew is hin falling on the ocean floor. Oda couldn't have made it more clear, but it is still Oda we are talking about so it is to tread this carefully. Anyway either he is done with the story and we will never see him again, really difficult tbh, or he will have some role like appearing in the final war or something like that, way more Oda style, or he comes back but has some sort of growing as a character realizing how stupid he was. But I think that when Luffy and co get to Elbaf Kidd will almost for sure reappear and have sone role in that arc, I just hope he doesn't become the new Law aka non official SHs for an arc or 2. But It wouldn't make much sense since now Luffy has to play with BB and Shanks and have Kidd there derp around with the SHs wouldn't make sense.
I presented you countless evidence from the manga about why they will come back stronger and all you got to say is " No they are weak they are incapable of being strong enough" with absolutely zero evidence but your opinions, like a hater are you expecting luffy zoro and sanji to be the only young pirates to grow and get stronger because you said so? You think they will take all the wg top tiers by themselves? this makes 0 sense im sorry you are just mindlessly hating on them
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