General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

Hunger is Luffys weakness so in that case yes.

And we're not the ones blaming Zolos collapse on his hunger, you are, so your saying kid Sanjis willpower of 80 days > Zolos of barely 7
There is no blame. Its a manga fact. The panel clearly shows the reason he fainted when it doesn't point to his wound but his stomach. Anything outside of that is you being a troll.
 
Why did Oda have Zolo endure an injury conveniently before panning to his stomach, and then showing the next day that Zolo's injury caused him immense pain? Him being hungry contributed but obviously it was the injury that triggered it.



No he didn't lol? Puncture wounds >>> slashes, they go further and hit vital areas and Zolo's wound against Killer required more prolonged treatment.



OK I said UNGUARDED wounds, Thriller Bark doesn't count because he prepared himself first. Obviously he is able to endure far more when he is prepared than when he is caught off-guard.

Against Killer, he was completely unprepared hence it triggering him getting knocked out.
I never said injury played no part, but the poison/hunger did too. He didn't get knock out right away. He literally blitzed Killer. He got knock out after Stomach messed up.
 
Most people fail to understand how much energy you burn in a fight compared to just walking around or even sitting around.

Sanji sitting under a tree doing nothing while he was starving to death doesn't mean he never passed out at all during that time.
Sanji didn't pass after so many days because plot demanded so in order to increase the emotional impact.

Zoro passed after just a few days and a fight because plot demanded so in order to put him under Hiyori's help.

Overanalyzing this is ridiculous for both sides, whether Sanji fans or Zoro fans. This isn't a matter of power scaling.
 
Most people fail to understand how much energy you burn in a fight compared to just walking around or even sitting around.

Sanji sitting under a tree doing nothing while he was starving to death doesn't mean he never passed out at all during that time.
Exactly and to add to what you’re saying kid Sanji was drinking water

Zoro has no access to water or food (he had a small amount of water at the village and I believe that was a day before his fight with Kamazou)
 

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What your basically saying here is it's a coincidence that Zolo's hunger only kicked in right as he got injured.
It most likely didn't kick in right after, it was kicking in the entire time logically. But the injury overall played a small part most likely and I explained you why by highlighting the TB example once again.
 
He wasnt even fighting for that long though, during his fight with Killer he only clashed for a few panels before taking the injury. The fight realistically probably lasted no more than 2-5 minutes before he got injured.
First, Zoro has been fighting since you arrived. Just because the manga doesn't show in front all the time doesn't mean you didn't happen. The databook tells us. His battle with Killer was just one if many battles.

We don't know how long Zoro and Killer fought it could have been 5 minutes or 30. The manga doesn't say.
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Sanji didn't pass after so many days because plot demanded so in order to increase the emotional impact.

Zoro passed after just a few days and a fight because plot demanded so in order to put him under Hiyori's help.

Overanalyzing this is ridiculous for both sides, whether Sanji fans or Zoro fans. This isn't a matter of power scaling.
We don't know that. He was shown to be weak, on the ground multiple times. His vision was going bad.

 
Bruh … people can’t read the manga clearly it’s show cased Zoro suffered from hunger.
Perhaps you can't read the manga, because that "hunger" only affected him after he got hit with a nasty injury.

Coincidence?
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It most likely didn't kick in right after, it was kicking in the entire time logically. But the injury overall played a small part most likely and I explained you why by highlighting the TB example once again.
No proof it was kicking in the entire time he had 0 issue clashing with Killer and the fodder individually, literally the only time the hunger is confirmed to come into play is only after he gets injured.

The TB is not valid because Zolo was prepared to endure that, whereas he was not prepared to take Killer's attack.

It was a 1-shot, Killer feigned and so did Zolo. Both were injured and both collapsed. Isn't rlly different from when Luffy faints after finishing Lucci, for example.
 
Perhaps you can't read the manga, because that "hunger" only affected him after he got hit with a nasty injury.

Coincidence?
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No proof it was kicking in the entire time he had 0 issue clashing with Killer and the fodder individually, literally the only time the hunger is confirmed to come into play is only after he gets injured.

The TB is not valid because Zolo was prepared to endure that, whereas he was not prepared to take Killer's attack.

It was a 1-shot, Killer feigned and so did Zolo. Both were injured and both collapsed. Isn't rlly different from when Luffy faints after finishing Lucci, for example.
Oh … is that how hunger works ?

So to understand someone’s hungry they need to be heavily hit first gotcha 👌 thanks for clarifying that.
 
First, Zoro has been fighting since you arrived. Just because the manga doesn't show in front all the time doesn't mean you didn't happen. The databook tells us. His battle with Killer was just one if many battles.
His fight against Killer was presumably his first fight since he was last fed by Yasui fed him.


We don't know how long Zoro and Killer fought it could have been 5 minutes or 30. The manga doesn't say.
In the manga, they only clashed 3 times. Unless you think each of those clashes lasted 10 minutes each...?


We don't know that. He was shown to be weak, on the ground multiple times. His vision was going bad.
Sanji's vision doesn't go bad until 25 days in, which still is far more impressive than Zolo not even going a week without food.

Anyways, I imagine Sanji went to sleep during those 75 days of 0 food 0 water, but I can't see how he would have gone unconscious and woke up.
It's already very rare for people to wake up after prolonged unconsciousness, and if they do they usually suffer brain damage, tumors, etc. and must be fed through a tube to wake up.
Sanji would have no means of eating or drinking while he is in a coma and would far more likely die or suffer brain damage if he does manage to wake up
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So to understand someone’s hungry they need to be heavily hit first gotcha 👌 thanks for clarifying that.
That's the thing, we didn't see the hunger affect his movements or combat whatsoever until after he was hit heavily thus we can assume it was him being heavily hit that triggered him going unconscious, even if hunger was the reason.
 
That's the thing, we didn't see the hunger affect his movements or combat whatsoever until after he was hit heavily thus we can assume it was him being heavily hit that triggered him going unconscious, even if hunger was the reason
Well let’s just use simple deduction and we can come to a conclusion.

A:) Has Zoro taken worse damage than what Killer landed on him ?

B:) Luffy told Zoro all the animals in the region are poisonous so he can’t eat anything (including the water)

C:) We understand the same day Luffy arrived is the same day he gets knocked out by Kaido

D:) Databooks confirm Zoro has been wandering Wano and has been fighting constantly

E:) Since Luffy arrived in Wano to the fight with Kamazou roughly 7-8 days has passed : meaning Zoro has been wandering + fighting with no food or water for that duration
 

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Perhaps you can't read the manga, because that "hunger" only affected him after he got hit with a nasty injury.

Coincidence?
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No proof it was kicking in the entire time he had 0 issue clashing with Killer and the fodder individually, literally the only time the hunger is confirmed to come into play is only after he gets injured.

The TB is not valid because Zolo was prepared to endure that, whereas he was not prepared to take Killer's attack.

It was a 1-shot, Killer feigned and so did Zolo. Both were injured and both collapsed. Isn't rlly different from when Luffy faints after finishing Lucci, for example.
It's most likely the only feasible explanation because he proved how much blood he can lose without going unconscious back in Thriller Bark. Basically the reason why he fell unconsciously has to be mostly related to his hunger and hunger probably didn't kick in immediately but was a process.
 
A:) Has Zoro taken worse damage than what Killer landed on him ?
He has, against Mihawk and Kuma. But both those times, even if he didn't fall unconscious, it doesn't really matter since the damage each of them did to him respectively, was far greater and lasted far longer from arc-to-arc with Mihawk actually scarring Zolo.


B:) Luffy told Zoro all the animals in the region are poisonous so he can’t eat anything (including the water)
Yes, that was part of the joke was that Zolo ate a bunch of poisonous food and didn't get sick outside of mild stomach ache.

The fact that Zolo didn't even know he was poisoned to begin with shows how little affect it had on him, let alone 9 days later which by that point should have been filtered out.


C:) We understand the same day Luffy arrived is the same day he gets knocked out by Kaido
Yes


D:) Databooks confirm Zoro has been wandering Wano and has been fighting constantly
Also yes


E:) Since Luffy arrived in Wano to the fight with Kamazou roughly 7-8 days has passed : meaning Zoro has been wandering + fighting with no food or water for that duration
So Zolo's been fighting fodder for a week with 0 food 0 water, still doesn't compare to child Sanji going 75 days with 0 food 0 water.

So by blaming Zolo's unconsciousness solely, or even majority on hunger your basically saying he is too weak to endure a mere week of no food no water in a world like One Piece where a child can endure over 10x as much.
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It's most likely the only feasible explanation because he proved how much blood he can lose without going unconscious back in Thriller Bark. Basically the reason why he fell unconsciously has to be mostly related to his hunger and hunger probably didn't kick in immediately but was a process.
Not a good comparison once again Thriller Bark he was physically and mentally prepared to take in Luffy's pain, he even had a sample of it before doing it. Kuma even warned him what would happen before he did it.

Against Killer, it came in a much faster and more unexpected succession. He had 0 time to prepare physically nor mentally. Had he been prepared he very likely would have been able to endure it much better.

Not only that, but it's also a bad example because Thriller Bark left him wounded over an arc later in Sabaody, where he could barely fight the Pacifista without losing blood and becoming exhausted.

Compared to this? Sure he fell unconscious but he recovered less than a week later.
 
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So Zolo's been fighting fodder for a week with 0 food 0 water, still doesn't compare to child Sanji going 75 days with 0 food 0 water.

So by blaming Zolo's unconsciousness solely, or even majority on hunger your basically saying he is too weak to endure a mere week of no food no water in a world like One Piece where a child can endure over 10x as much.
Lmfao so everything you agree with then you throw false information in to reassure yourself, that’s fine let’s take it slow I’ll help you.

1.) Sanji had access to water, and for a time period he had food
2.) Sanji is stagnant he is stuck on a very small island he is not burning any energy
3.) Sanji didn’t have to endure poisoning before hand
4.) if you’re questioning Zoro’s resolve you should do the same to Luffy cause Luffy couldn’t last a whole day while also fighting “fodders”
 
Lmfao so everything you agree with then you throw false information in to reassure yourself, that’s fine let’s take it slow I’ll help you.

1.) Sanji had access to water, and for a time period he had food
2.) Sanji is stagnant he is stuck on a very small island he is not burning any energy
3.) Sanji didn’t have to endure poisoning before hand
4.) if you’re questioning Zoro’s resolve you should do the same to Luffy cause Luffy couldn’t last a whole day while also fighting “fodders”
He was 8 years old.
 
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