General & Others Understanding that some things are exclusive to Luffy and Zoro in the Strawhat crew.

[Shepherd]

• His claws are DFs genius .
• Shigan is a technique that all of them could use .
• He has no tekkai superiority here genius when Kaku's tekkai > Jyabura's tekkai

- Yes but Jabura is always in his Hybrid Form whenever he is fighting so he always has his claws out
- Yes but Jabura specializes in Shigan since his claws turn his blunt fingers sharp, and his strongest move combines Shigan + Geppou
- He's able to move while using Tekkai therefore his Tekkai is objectively better than Kaku's

Kaku use his legs with his swords to use four sword style wtf did Jyabura use to name it a swordmanship ?

Point is Kaku using his legs as swords is a demonstration of pure physical power since blunt weapons do not have the inherit sharpness that swords do.

By the way, during his fight with Zolo he only used his swords to parry/block.

It was his legs and neck, both of which utilize solely physical power as the Doriki measures, to deal damage...

You are using your headcanon here when His tekkai kenpo has the wolf name in them which is related to his DF .

Tekkai Kenpo? I don't see "wolf" anywhere there, only Tekkai and Kenpo which translates to "martial arts".

Hi legs can clash with swords + his swords pressured Zoro to the end .

Yes they are used to parry and pressure, which requires solely physical force. The only times swords' lethality boost comes into play is when he actually uses them to cut through flesh.

But he doesn't do that ever.

All of the moves that Kaku uses to fight against Zolo, require ONLY PHYSICAL STRENGTH, thus the doriki that Oda gave to Kaku was accurate.

 

[Goat Cracker]

Oh really... so a guy who was laughing his ass off on the ground dodge it... so basically it was not even worthy enough to land the hit

Good to know

Good to know that Kaku used a variant of it where you can't dodge against Ashura Zoro and he said it .

While Jyabura attack didn't do shit to Usopp who laughed at it while he needed to run from a lower variant at the sight of its AOE

 

[Shepherd]

His strongest attack couldn't do shit to Usopp while Kaku's Strongest attack made Zoro and Jyabura and Usopp running for their life

His strongest attack is Moonlight Ten-Finger Pistol, not regular Ten-Finger Pistol.

Moonlight Ten-Finger Pistol is much stronger because it has the force of a Geppo behind it.

 

[fanboy]

Both Zoro and Sanji suck.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Good to know that Kaku used a variant of it where you can't dodge against Ashura Zoro and he said it .

While Jyabura attack didn't do shit to Usopp who laughed at it while he needed to run from a lower variant at the sight of its AOE

it’s funny that you’re praising an attack that NEVER drew blood from anyone!
It was used two times:
- First time, it was dodged casually by EVERYONE... it’s too slow

- Second time was dispresed and was rendered useless

What a great attack! it really was awesome to see how useless it was in both times

 

[Ahmd]

OG trio: luffy, Zoro & Nami
Monster trio: Luffy, Zoro & Sanji
Conqueror trio: Luffy, Zoro & Yamato

It's always Luffy & Zoro

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

OG trio: luffy, Zoro & Nami
Monster trio: Luffy, Zoro & Sanji
Conqueror trio: Luffy, Zoro & Yamato

It's always Luffy & Zoro

Not really!
We have Hentai Trio

 

[Goat Cracker]

- Yes but Jabura is always in his Hybrid Form whenever he is fighting so he always has his claws

So it's a DF ability

- Yes but Jabura specializes in Shigan since his claws turn his blunt fingers sharp, and his strongest move combines Shigan + Geppou

His shigan is like others in base but it's powerful when he is Hybrid so in the end it's a DF power znd geppou only makes u flying in the air and the attack is the same when Sanji was dealing with him in the sky .

- He's able to move while using Tekkai therefore his Tekkai is objectively better than Kaku's

So he is better than Lucci ?

Point is Kaku using his legs as swords is a demonstration of pure physical power since blunt weapons do not have the inherit sharpness that swords do.

His legs are swords for him with an additional 2 swords it's a fighting style what you say it's just headcanons and fanfictions

By the way, during his fight with Zolo he only used his swords to parry/block.

Read before typing this shit , when he used four sword style he pressured Zoro and made him bleeding .

It was his legs and neck, both of which utilize solely physical power as the Doriki measures, to deal damage...

He dealt damage with his swords when he attacked using his 4 sword style which called it massacre or something like that

Tekkai Kenpo? I don't see "wolf" anywhere there, only Tekkai and Kenpo which translates to "martial arts".

Tekkai kenpou and the attack afterwards genius are wolf named .

1- Wolf stance
2- Wolf Claw
...

Yes they are used to parry and pressure, which requires solely physical force. The only times swords' lethality boost comes into play is when he actually uses them to cut through flesh.

Manga :
Kaku = four sword style user

Keep ur shit to urself

He uses his leg with his swords to pressure and attack with slashes + cutting u in the side check base Kaku vs Zoro fight before talking .

All of the moves that Kaku uses to fight against Zolo, require ONLY PHYSICAL STRENGTH,

Headcanon.com

thus the doriki that Oda gave to Kaku was accurate.

Headcanon.com

So swordless Zoro = Sanji thanks for that

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

See thats why i dont want to debate someone your IQ tier.
Once i have debunked one of your point, you just digress and make up another point.

So now you have switched side (AGAIN) and realized that Ace was indeed blackmail, you want to ask me why he stayed in WB's crew???

I haven't switched side anytime during our "debate", hence why I put "blackmail" in between quotation marks: not only because it's stupid because Ace wasn't blackmailed but explicitly allowed to either leave or stay by joining, but because it's still absolutely irrelevant to my point (which has always been exactly the same, but you either don't get it or are too dishonest to work with it head on).

Sadly for you, conquerors are perfectly capable of sharing functioning dynamics and nothing prevents a big number of conquerors working together, so a Straw Hat crew full of them would be as good as it is now. It's the tragedy of you geniuses, I guess...

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

So it's a DF ability


His shigan is like others in base but it's powerful when he is Hybrid so in the end it's a DF power znd geppou only makes u flying in the air and the attack is the same when Sanji was dealing with him in the sky .

So he is better than Lucci ?


His legs are swords for him with an additional 2 swords it's a fighting style what you say it's just headcanons and fanfictions


Read before typing this shit , when he used four sword style he pressured Zoro and made him bleeding .


He dealt damage with his swords when he attacked using his 4 sword style which called it massacre or something like that


Tekkai kenpou and the attack afterwards genius are wolf named .

1- Wolf stance
2- Wolf Claw
...


Manga :
Kaku = four sword style user

Keep ur shit to urself

He uses his leg with his swords to pressure and attack with slashes + cutting u in the side check base Kaku vs Zoro fight before talking .


Headcanon.com


Headcanon.com

So swordless Zoro = Sanji thanks for that

Regarding Tekkai/Lucci/Jyabura,
Jyabura is Better in Tekkai control than Lucci... but Lucci compensates with it by being DOUBLE the dioriki of Jyabura...
So basically,
Lucci has a stronger Tekkai
But Jyabura has a better Tekkai utility..

But with Kaku/Jyabura.. their Dioriki is on SAME level.. it’s only a 20 dioriki difference... so that makes Jyabura by default Waaay better in Tekkai than Kaku... cause Kaku is not compensating with it for a much stronger tekkai to break

 

[Goat Cracker]

His strongest attack is Moonlight Ten-Finger Pistol, not regular Ten-Finger Pistol.

Moonlight Ten-Finger Pistol is much stronger because it has the force of a Geppo behind it.

You make it like Geppo force would make it three times stronger lmao , Jyabura didn't even fly far from sanji and btw Sanji's durability isn't far from Usopp who both tanked Caesar's explosion

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But with Kaku/Jyabura.. their Dioriki is on SAME level.. it’s only a 20 dioriki difference... so that makes Jyabura by default Waaay better in Tekkai than Kaku... cause Kaku is not compensating with it for a much stronger tekkai to break

Headcanon.com

Kaku can break Jyabura's tekkai while jyabura can't 2200 > 2180 simple math

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

You make it like Geppo force would make it three times stronger lmao , Jyabura didn't even fly far from sanji and btw Sanji's durability isn't far from Usopp who both tanked Caesar's explosion

Yes... Geppo makes ur attack stronger
Getting hit by a car that’s moving at speed of 10 is not the same as 50 or 100 or 160

Funny you’re laughing at it as if it’s not a fact

 

[Taper]

Good to know that Kaku used a variant of it where you can't dodge against Ashura Zoro and he said it .

While Jyabura attack didn't do shit to Usopp who laughed at it while he needed to run from a lower variant at the sight of its AOE

You realize there is no possible way to quantify any of this, the only canon metric that can be referenced and used to scale these characters is doriki. We can sit and talk about how Kakus swords made him 2 times stronger then I say well Jabras claws also made him 2 times stronger then you say but Kakus neck game was better than Jabras then I say well Jabra had more experience with his DF and combined his rokoushiki techniques more fluently with his attacks........and if we go on long enough taking about unquantifiable things maybe we can be cast in a Dumb and Dumber reboot. The only reason Oda introduced Doriki is to let us know the power hierarchy...... that's it........you putting more stock into swords over claws or long necks over snouts is way beyond anything Oda ever thought of.

 

[Goat Cracker]

Yes... Geppo makes ur attack stronger
Getting hit by a car that’s moving at speed of 10 is not the same as 50 or 100 or 160

Yeah the attack is stronger by how much ? the boost Jyabura would get from Geppou shouldn't be great because Sanji was near him btw he just kicked the air and attacked with his claws this is the same boost that sanji gave Zoro around

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Yeah the attack is stronger by how much ? the boost Jyabura would get from Geppou shouldn't be great because Sanji was near him btw he just kicked the air and attacked with his claws this is the same boost that sanji gave Zoro around

You continue to amaze me... seriously

 

[Goat Cracker]

You realize there is no possible way to quantify any of this, the only canon metric that can be referenced and used to scale these characters is doriki.

Which is :
Swordless Kaku = Base Jyabura without DF

We can sit and talk about how Kakus swords made him 2 times stronger then I say well Jabras claws also made him 2 times stronger t

So you compare Swordman Kaku to DF Jyabura good to know this

then you say but Kakus neck game was better than Jabras then I say well Jabra had more experience with his DF and combined his rokoushiki techniques more fluently with his attacks

Jyabura said that Kaku is mastering his DF very good so ur bs ain't helping .

The only reason Oda introduced Doriki is to let us know the power hierarchy...... that's it........you putting more stock into swords over claws or long necks over snouts

Guess who was given the key to open Robin's handcuffs that alone speaks for the portrayal btw and VC already killed that headcanon of Jyabura = Kaku

• Hi Guys ;

We all saw Enies Lobby arc ; and there we got introduced to Kaku and Jyabura and their doriki .

Sanji stans after this revelation started to push that Jyabura is stronger than Kaku because he ate a Carnivorous DF and has a better mastery than Kaku who just obtained it but let's not take their words seriously when Oda himself said this .
• VCs are Canon .

Also We have Kaku and Jyabura's VCs saying this :

<< CP9の中でも、 ルッチに次ぐ戦闘力 を誇る強者 >>

<< "Among the CP9, kaku is a proud strong man who has a fighting power behind / second to / Next to lucci". >>

• So following Oda confirming the VC's credibility also talking about CP9 not CP0 ; Kaku's strength is just behind Lucci's one in other words during Enies Lobby he was the second strongest one even after gaining the DF after Lucci but not Jyabura and he isn't equal to the later either he is stronger than him but weaker than Lucci or they would have mentioned his strength in relation to Jyabura himself .

Now let's talk about Jyabura's VC :

<< なか CP9の中でも秀でた 戦闘力を持つ武闘派諜報しゅぎょう グアンハオで修業し ろく しき たいとく 六式を体得 >>

<< Among CP9, he has his martial arts with excellent combat power ; He trained and learned the six Powers.>>

So following his VC ; Jyabura just got hyped for his combat power but they didn't compare it to Lucci's heck they didn't even compare him to Kaku's strength so some fans were living in delusion for years but the VC had the answer but they didn't know that



so after reading through this :
the Conclusion is :
• Lucci > Kaku > Jyabura .
• Kaku's strength is hyped to be just behind Lucci's .
• Jyabura has an excellent combat power but nothing much to compare with Kaku's and Lucci's following VC.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You are wrong cuz you know the answer to my question flat out makes you wrong so you refuse to answer. If you aren't wrong answer this. If the sh's never fought again can zoro and luffy accomplish their dreams? Can the other sh's still accomplish their dreams? If you ain't wrong give a answer.

Again, what the hell does your hypothetical situation matter? The fact remains that they have chosen a path that requires them to be strong in order to accomplish their dreams. Them not having to be strong had they chosen a different path means fuck all because they have to be due to the path they chose.

 

[Goat Cracker]

Yes...Kaku uses his legs as swords...and how does he use them as swords? BY BEING PHYSICALLY STRONG ENOUGH TO.

By being lethal genius he can use his leg as a sword around to cut ppl

Yes, Jabura's claws and his Shigan superiority is only when he is in Hybrid. Why is this an issue when Jabura's Hybrid is his main mode of fighting?

So Base Jyabura is nothing special and swordless Kaku is better than him while 4 sword style Kaku >>> Swordless Kaku

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Gekirin

Blood from Zoro

Yes...Kaku uses his legs as swords...and how does he use them as swords? BY BEING PHYSICALLY STRONG ENOUGH TO.






Yes, Jabura's claws and his Shigan superiority is only when he is in Hybrid. Why is this an issue when Jabura's Hybrid is his main mode of fighting?







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He didn't use his neck before and could fight with his swords and leg against Zoro three sword style

 

[Taper]

Which is :
Swordless Kaku = Base Jyabura without DF

So you compare Swordman Kaku to DF Jyabura good to know this


Jyabura said that Kaku is mastering his DF very good so ur bs ain't helping .


Guess who was given the key to open Robin's handcuffs that alone speaks for the portrayal btw and VC already killed that headcanon of Jyabura = Kaku

VC says Kaku is second only to Lucci, Doriki says Kaku 2200 and Jabra 2180...... i'm pretty sure 2200 is closer to 4000 than 2180 but based off your previous comments you might even argue with me about that too. Again you are placing more stock into Kakus swords and less into Jabras claws and his superior mobility granted to him by his wolf anatomy and the fact he can move while using Tekkai......please tell me using the doriki metric or any metric for that matter how much did swords boost a Kaku that only used swords complementary to his Rokoushiki and DF which carried the brunt of his techniques.

 

[Human D Luffy]

Sadly for you, conquerors are perfectly capable of sharing functioning dynamics and nothing prevents a big number of conquerors working together, so a Straw Hat crew full of them would be as good as it is now. It's the tragedy of you geniuses, I guess...

If you think that a crew can have 10 CoC users and be buddy buddy, then you are probably a 3rd grader watching two pieces.