US Presidental Race : 2020

[Monkey D Theories]

There is a zero percent chance that Bernie endorses Joe if he drops out. He played ball with Hillary and the DNC in 2016, and they’ve still been trying to fuck him this time around. What does he have to lose in that scenario? Continuing to NOT get their support? Fuck it, he can do what he wants at that point. No amount of grandstanding is gonna make ANYONE who doesn’t already support Biden get excited about his candidacy.

Bernie is a good guy. He'd want to see trump defeated even if it meant that he wouldn't be the one to do it. Hence he supported hillary in 2016 and why he will support biden in 2020.

At the end of the day, Biden wants exactly the same thing as bernie, he just wants to accomplish them with more moderate(and imo rational) means. I'm sure he sees this and I'm sure he realizes that some progress(Biden) is better than no progress(trump).

Its not about being excited about Biden, its about defeating Trump and the GOP.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Bernie is a good guy. He'd want to see trump defeated even if it meant that he wouldn't be the one to do it. Hence he supported hillary in 2016 and why he will support biden in 2020.

At the end of the day, Biden wants exactly the same thing as bernie, he just wants to accomplish them with more moderate(and imo rational) means. I'm sure he sees this and I'm sure he realizes that some progress(Biden) is better than no progress(trump).

Its not about being excited about Biden, its about defeating Trump and the GOP.

For once, you and I agree on the sentiment that it’s about being done with this administration. I think Biden is an incompetent, senile fool, but I’ll vote for him if I *absolutely* have to...I’d just MUCH prefer to vote for a candidate that actually has policies I’d like to see enacted. I also don’t think that everybody will agree with this, and plenty of leftists will stay home if Joe’s nominated, so it just seems like we have a better chance of actually WINNING if it’s Sanders (and pretty much every poll backs this up, although 2016 taught us not to believe those so steadfastly).

 

[Homelander]

Bernie is a good guy. He'd want to see trump defeated even if it meant that he wouldn't be the one to do it. Hence he supported hillary in 2016 and why he will support biden in 2020.

At the end of the day, Biden wants exactly the same thing as bernie, he just wants to accomplish them with more moderate(and imo rational) means. I'm sure he sees this and I'm sure he realizes that some progress(Biden) is better than no progress(trump).

Its not about being excited about Biden, its about defeating Trump and the GOP.

However biden wants to take away guns and punish NRA. I mean seriously why did he nominate beto for guns ?

You know trump voters are mostly gun trotting lover . Biden is not obama btw by the time the focus in trump vs biden the independents , disgruntuled bernie bro , liberterian will back trump.

If the coronavirus is contained well before may trump will win.

 

[Homelander]

There is a zero percent chance that Bernie endorses Joe if he drops out. He played ball with Hillary and the DNC in 2016, and they’ve still been trying to fuck him this time around. What does he have to lose in that scenario? Continuing to NOT get their support? Fuck it, he can do what he wants at that point. No amount of grandstanding is gonna make ANYONE who doesn’t already support Biden get excited about his candidacy.

Joe is not hillary , he gets along well with old man. I am sure he'll promise him healthcare committee to work on if he becomes president.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

The narrative "we have to beat Trump at all costs, no matter who it is", is literally the narrative spun by the DNC and the establishment dems to justify not choosing a progressive candidate and make it seem like it is not that important, when Trump is literally the consequence of the democratic party pretty much screwing over the people they are supposed to represent, the working class, for 3 decades now.
And people who have been let down over and over are easier to radicalize and impress by seemingly powerful words, which Trump simply used.

But instead of learning from this, they made the last 4 years all about Trump himself and how Russian he is and so forth.
Trump is gonna rip apart Biden on the stage, and there are still a lot of people who get impressed and will get impressed by that, so choosing Biden is by far not the safe choice, it pretty much signals we would rather have another 4 years of Trump than let Bernie in the WH.

 

[Homelander]

The narrative "we have to beat Trump at all costs, no matter who it is", is literally the narrative spun by the DNC and the establishment dems to justify not choosing a progressive candidate and make it seem like it is not that important, when Trump is literally the consequence of the democratic party pretty much screwing over the people they are supposed to represent, the working class, for 3 decades now.
And people who have been let down over and over are easier to radicalize and impress by seemingly powerful words, which Trump simply used.

But instead of learning from this, they made the last 4 years all about Trump himself and how Russian he is and so forth.
Trump is gonna rip apart Biden on the stage, and there are still a lot of people who get impressed and will get impressed by that, so choosing Biden is by far not the safe choice, it pretty much signals we would rather have another 4 years of Trump than let Bernie in the WH.

Biden is Hillary 2.0 but weaker and nice version.

High likely trump will win again if he controls the coronavirus thing. It will be big win for him and almost blessing in disguise for him to show his administrative skill.

If he manages to control the spread of virus trump will win this november.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

My biggest issue with Biden is his health. The man is losing his marbles.
I tbh hope that if his health gets bad enough, he'll just drop out and endorse Pete.

when I look at the big picture, I see that there are no good candidates. But if I had to choose between electing a nazi, a communist, and a senile old man, I think I'd rather have the senile old man.

I also don’t think that everybody will agree with this, and plenty of leftists will stay home if Joe’s nominated, so it just seems like we have a better chance of actually WINNING if it’s Sanders (and pretty much every poll backs this up, although 2016 taught us not to believe those so steadfastly).

I don't really trust polls anymore. But there seems to be more moderate dems than bernie. Or at the very least, more moderates who vote. Bernie keeps talking about how he's going to bring in new voters who don't traditionally vote, but if this was the case, he should at least win the majority. And I think almost every projection says that bernie has little chance of winning the plurality, let alone the majority.

Yes, a bernie nomination will bring out more progressives. But he will lose the moderate vote. I think most people in the general election are actually more moderate than those that vote in the primaries. How will you convince any of those people to vote for a man who hates capitalism and supports major tax hikes? If bernie is nominated, moderates will feel like they have to choose the lesser of two evils. For me and many other centrist, bernie vs trump looks like having to choose between a nazi and a communist and that is a choice I'd rather not have to make.

I feel like Trump might win no matter who is gets the nominee. The democratic party is fractured and I'm skeptical if we really can unite to beat trump

 

[Homelander]

So Habib Fanny in Quora voted for biden , he was jerking bernie all the time. :cheers:


It will be Empire strikes back , Dems are waiting for Biden vs Trump and it turns out Biden forgets his wife is Jill biden and Hunter is Attorney General .

Somebody help Grandpa Joe to his retirement home.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Biden is Hillary 2.0 but weaker and nice version.

High likely trump will win again if he controls the coronavirus thing. It will be big win for him and almost blessing in disguise for him to show his administrative skill.

If he manages to control the spread of virus trump will win this november.

Dude´s body of work is apparent, so are his lies to look better, his dementia also.
The only thing he is riding is Obama and supposedly being the moderate and less radical choice.
Sure, when you have moved the goal post to the right over and over in the last 3 decades, sure Biden looks like the moderate and Bernie the radical, that´s how you control the narrative.
And people actually buy this shit.

Dude, Trump is gonna nail him to the wall with his track record, the stuff with his son and of course his many mistakes.
It´s really crucial how you present yourself in the beginning.
Trump is wearing a iron man suit since he has the image of not giving a fuck, and his followers actually rejoice in that image, finally someone who supposedly is not talking around and gets everything to the point, even if it sounds rude.
So Biden literally has no ammunition, impeachment has already shown that nobody actually cares about it except the dems that actually bought into it and still think removing Trump is the most crucial issue.
Meanwhile their wallets get lighter and lighter.

 

[Homelander]

Dude´s body of work is apparent, so are his lies to look better, his dementia also.
The only thing he is riding is Obama and supposedly being the moderate and less radical choice.
Sure, when you have moved the goal post to the right over and over in the last 3 decades, sure Biden looks like the moderate and Bernie the radical, that´s how you control the narrative.
And people actually buy this shit.

Dude, Trump is gonna nail him to the wall with his track record, the stuff with his son and of course his many mistakes.
It´s really crucial how you present yourself in the beginning.
Trump is wearing a iron man suit since he has the image of not giving a fuck, and his followers actually rejoice in that image, finally someone who supposedly is not talking around and gets everything to the point, even if it sounds rude.
So Biden literally has no ammunition, impeachment has already shown that nobody actually cares about it except the dems that actually bought into it and still think removing Trump is the most crucial issue.
Meanwhile their wallets get lighter and lighter.

There are other things about Biden what makes him a terrible candidate , he has baggage of Obama's shadow which Dem are desperately clinging with desperation, not only that he needs to explain his stance on Gun rights .

Biden adding Beto on board was an act of desperation he needed to win Texas in the primary , he puts him on Gun in charge the guy wants to ban AR-15 that could be good step in eye of Europeans but Gun lobbyist and lovers will never accept to it . Biden will never get this done because NRA wouldn't allow him to .

Check this : https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...hen-senate-nation-were-very-different-n997311

Biden is a flip - flopper he will never get things done and more of status queue kind of guy the reason why Senators love him because he is a puppet to them who will abide by their rules .

So far Biden has not given any solution what people want , its simple most of them in Establishment are in revenge mode Trump rubbed them in worst way possible when Hillary lost ,If he loses the Generation of Hillary , Obamer , Nancy Pelosi will be over because Progressive are already making an attempt to dominate Dem leadership the likes of Illhan Omar , AOC are already gaining traction and the road Dem is heading .

To conclude my point, Biden was not option the moderate democrats wanted he was the last man standing for them . Buttigeg is too newbie and Amy is old school its just desperation for the establishment to hold on to their dear power . They dont care if Biden wins in General btw they will still have those power . Bernie's win will absolutely crush them and all the lies they come out with Trump defeating him badly is just humbug .

 

[Homelander]

What will Biden say to this in Debate against Trump ? Trump already got his winning point he 'll start with "Sleepy Joe is gonna take the guns , he'll strip us from our Second Amendment rights !!"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beto-orourke-says-he-expects-americans-to-surrender-their-guns/

 

[Shiroyru]

What will Biden say to this in Debate against Trump ? Trump already got his winning point he 'll start with "Sleepy Joe is gonna take the guns , he'll strip us from our Second Amendment rights !!"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/beto-orourke-says-he-expects-americans-to-surrender-their-guns/

Remember when corporate media got outraged at Bernie for saying that Cuba has a good education system and said that this makes him unelectable? Why aren’t they getting outraged at Biden saying that he’d put someone who said he’d forcefully confiscate guns in charge of gun reform? Wouldn’t that hurt his election chances?

 

[Homelander]

Remember when corporate media got outraged at Bernie for saying that Cuba has a good education system and said that this makes him unelectable? Why aren’t they getting outraged at Biden saying that he’d put someone who said he’d forcefully confiscate guns in charge of gun reform? Wouldn’t that hurt his election chances?

CNN and NBC are mouthpiece of DNC , unfortunately most of the mainstream media are ideologically sold out. I stopped watching CNN and NBC news all they bombard are with political charged news, It has gone worse by the day.

I rather like read or watch which has no political alignment in general.

Bernie is not democrat btw he always had been contesting as indie since 80's. You cannot expect CNN or other establishment to endorse his views.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Did I already post this here?? I don’t care if I did, it bears repeating: Whose policies align most closely with YOUR beliefs? Who do you think Warren should endorse between the two?

 

[Homelander]

Warren will not endorse untill Bernie drops out ! I rather disagree about removing Electoral College , Constitution must have this Electorate system Presidency is not about popularity contest , there are states like Virginia , Mississippi having more poverty and less population compared to New York or Caliornia where the economic opportunity and population are higher it's tad unfair for country dwellers to be not given voice !

 

[Homelander]

Did I already post this here?? I don’t care if I did, it bears repeating: Whose policies align most closely with YOUR beliefs? Who do you think Warren should endorse between the two?

https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...ngmaker-moment-changes-landscape-of-2020-race

Real reason is this man tilted Biden's campaign from dead to leading the Presidential nominee. Clyburn 's endorsement and Biden's huge win in SC was the prime reason voters rallied behind him .

I have seen ground situation how political parties work , most part its all about gathering support from different demography . DNC has the backing of black community , Youth college vote and Latinos in general !

If you fail to receive support from black community chances are very less for the person to be nominated . You must admit Bernie has struggled with this particular vote bank even with Hillary , she is not fairly popular as well but bernie has horrible record with black votes . Bernie on paper deserves the nomination but politics is much more than talking about issues , the reason i have already given Clyburn playing huge role in reviving his campaign biden has good connections with them , learning hard away from his 2008 failed bid Biden did the Obama way by uniting Black voters , The old folks and the disgruntled Hillary voters .

I was really surprised with Biden's lack of campaign in Super Tuesday state . He had just one Campaign office in California and no particular strong presence in Minnesota (Amy's Firewall) so it tells you Biden gambled everything on SC's primary win to get the voters rally behind him .

 

[Homelander]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/

538 got right on biden winning Texas , Minnesota and Maine . Bernie is struggling in swing states there could be a chance he may drop out by this March .

 

[Homelander]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1236522659623518209

Grandpa Joe says " We can reelect Donald Trump !"

 

[Homelander]

Biden completely crushed it .

Bernie's time is up !! Tomorrow we might see him drop out , sad ending to Bern's revolution .

I do think Biden is weakest of Dem but this coronovirus thing was poorly handled by trump , the conservatives like me would flock to biden.

 

[Just a member]

Biden completely crushed it .

Bernie's time is up !! Tomorrow we might see him drop out , sad ending to Bern's revolution .

I do think Biden is weakest of Dem but this coronovirus thing was poorly handled by trump , the conservatives like me would flock to biden.

What happened that made Sanders probably drop out?