Anime & Manga Vergo's right ankle is harder than Katakuri's block mochi as per the hardness of Sanji's bones (lol, u think Kuri has Vergo level haki) :):)

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Judge's son (mid trio if Franky beats Sasaki) kicked Lergo's ass like a fodder

Diable Jambe already is already in the same ballpark as G3 level of damage output disregarding the effect of internal fire.

We just need to compare the damage output from Sanji's DJ to that of Luffy's Grizzly Magnum that was at full power where two enraged DJ hits make this impact on the wall made of solid steel


Grizzly Magnum slammed Caesar into the wall where the crack propogation that I have highlighted means it was not an immediate but a stepwise fracturing process of the wall. Even the sfx signifies a deepening crack growth, meaning it did take some time for Luffy to push thorugh this wall.


as seen here Caesar flew though an air chute, the wall was not even that thick and it would've been of a similar constitution to that of the wall Sanji kicked Vergo into.
Note, in the official Viz translation it says steel and not iron

Sanji with the impact of his DJ kicks never pushed Vergo into the wall like Luffy did Caesar, but it was just the momentum imparted onto Vergo that broke through the wall. That's the difference and scary implication for how powerful Sanji with Diable Jambe is which would make it into G3 level power

Hell Memories which would be a more powered up version of DJ was able of making Wadatsumi's head cave into his body


here is a better picture


with the way the fat overlaps, and wadatsumi is still an overinflated ball that is armoured with air pressure, which means it is immune to blunt damage, but Sanji nevertheless makes his whole body cave in like this which speaks volumes of his AP in this mode. The fact that Wadatsumi is knocked out and spitting out blood again is confirmation that Sanji damages internally, because there is no other way to explain the fact that he does this unless you want to say Hell Memories is >>>> G3 which is not the case.

Lergo's master effortlessly blocks a barrage of Judge's son's DJ attacks, laughing at his mosquito AP

So your follow up with Doffy is stupid. He uses haki to block Luffy and looks casual while doing it, while he looks anxious when confronted with Sanji, puts up no haki block and just blocks with raw power, seemingly not effected by the internal fire either? That's your implication and it is stupid when we see how much damage output DJ packs, on the level or bordering on G3 attack power, so he did not block it in a manner he did against Luffy, considering the fact he called Sanji powerful but never did to Luffy, an additional information that again suggests he used barrier haki to block, which we now know is a thing and common in the NW.

No need to bullshit your way with this as Sanji demonstrates both internal fire and G3 level damage output with DJ, so it is the most natural to assume DD used barrier haki here, as we even see the fire dispersed in a manner that suggests he uses it.
Meanwhile, GOATakuri endures same attack like a chad and is still standing on the ground, ready to take the second hit

To see what a difference the block mochi makes in taking and absorbing those hits we need only to look at this instance of a direct hit from just a regular kick by Luffy who was far from being even in a good shape at this point


The VC even calls out Oven as more durable for his body, even tying it to inherited durabiltiy from BM, and @PuckTheGreat is the one that translated those parts from the VC.

It means the VC calls out Oven as the most durable, with an additional corroborating piece of evidence when it is specifically linked to inheritability, so it is not just some anomaly but two corroborating informations about Oven's durability that confirms he is tougher than Katakuri.

Again, Oven who doesn't have mochi block that acts as a shock absorber and protecting shield, doesn't even use haki, Oven goes around being attacked by Ichiji, Niji, got run over by the ship, the dude is going around tanking attacks with his body let and right, unlike Katakuri. Oven got his collarbone broken by Sanji's kick, which again highlights just how hard Sanji is just with his base hardness, the raw hardness broke the collarbone of the most druable BMP crew member.

Katakuri without block mochi just his regular base durability would not fare as well and be able to handle the travails of Oven in WCI, as Katakuri is someone that relies on evasiveness and hardened mochi, while Oven just goes about being naturally durable.

So this highlights the difference between Katakuri, Oven and Vergo

Imagine being below Tashigi. Means Vergo was even weaker then... Monet.
That is a pretty stupid thing to say with how Vergo broke Sanji, means you got to be intellectually honest and judge Tashigi in the face of the evidence, but you don't because you're a Zoro fanboi thats intellectually dishonest or just outright stupid

You gonna simp so hard and be a dumbass to think its ok for Zoro to get a pass when he fights Monet with toothpick weapons? While Tashigi doesn't?

This is where we can just outright dismiss Zoro as a serious combattant in Punk Hazard, and yes Zoro is physically inferior to fucking Monet!

Zoro is fighting against toothpicks weapons here. Even I who specialise grip training specific for arm wrestling would struggle against my 9 year old niece if he has a stick and I’m using a needle. This much should be obvious.

Zoro is using graded swords here, sturdy and tough as hell, much thicker and stronger than the needle weapons. Hell, Monet doesn't even fit her tongs around the wooden hilt so she doesn't even have proper grip, meaning she is relying a lot more on just using grip muscles and not able to recruit any bigger muscle groups to anywhere near the extent that Zoro does. Monet cannot leverage anywhere as much power compared to Zoro, but still puts up a fight and forces Zoro to go heavy in his his blocks as seen here he actually blocks with two swords, and all you swordbois should recognise the left sword he holds, ie the famous Shushi just to block some pathetic needle weapon attack. :josad:

Here again we see where Zoro blocks with Shushui and I highlight how Monet can't properly fit her tongs around the wooden hilt, as such not leverage proper force in her clashes on top of having a significantly weaker weapon than Zoro


Here Monet uses a skin blade, but Zoro needs a two-armed block with a serious countenance meaning he ain't blocking this with any ease.

Here Monet is using some kind of weak ass feather for attack. From this we learn that Zoro only opts to defend and not attack, but that doesn't change the fact that he is in a position where he needs to expend a lot of effort just to block super weak attacks.

Even here you see a big haki splash, which can only have come about from both Monet and Zoro using haki. Zoro used haki to defend against Monet!! :josad:



Needless to say Tashigi never fought against the toothpicks. First she blocks a blindside attack from Monet's strongest form.


She then gets blindsided from behind by a fully powered up kick by Monet where she hasn't got time to react and prepare a block. Of course needless to say this kick would hurl Zoro into the wall when he can't even properly defend against nail weapon attacks. Here Monet is able to exert a lot more power, a full body motion not armed with puny, tiny needles that only serve to weaken her physical output.


But we see how Monet looks up to Tashigi's fighting prowess much more than she does Zoro, hence why she starts using dirty tactics on her and commending her skill and strength.


Truth is that punch would knock the fuck out of Zoro and Sanji if even Sanji who is a Muay Thai fighter can't handle a kick like that from Vergo which was not even hardened

This shit would end Zoro and Sanji but Tashigi restrains and Monet has difficulties ripping through when she did it casually to the G-5 soldiers that were able of holding off Zoro, Brook and Kinnemon. Three top soldiers with different special abilities were held off fine by G-5 such that Zoro needs to go for a powermove

Can you see here how Kinnemon with fire and Brook with ice hax in addition to Zoro can't breach the G-5?


Which prompts Zoro to go for a powermove, only to have it casually blocked by Tashigi who in the same panel tells us she has no fighitng intentions, therefore just casually blocked it without even counterattacking


Tashigi who has got no will to fight just meant to break off the clash, and as such didn't really exert any effort into this block. This becomes clear when we look at Zoro who swings his sword with full power and has proper footing for better strength output, while Tashigi is midair, as in stopping Zoro's attack with no footing to leverage more strength in the block, yet she doesn't even perform a proper block here, just raising her sword in some kind of resistance without actually doing some counter attacking. She just raises her sword and that's enough to stop Zoro in his track. :milaugh:

It is clear from this that Tashigi is much stronger than Zoro. In fact both Zoro and Sanji look like physical turds compared to Tashigi

It is possible Tashigi is some freak who got work done on her by Vegapunk and the training from Vergo made her into a top physical specimen
 
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#64
Let's just appreciate the fact that Sanji broke Luffy's rubber head with a knee attack, not Concasser or named attacks.

Sanji's direct hit with the knee ("not named" attack but as @Yubel pointed out in his latest thread and I would agree here, the distinction between named vs non-named notion is rather stupid and lazy) fractured the skull, not concasser that Luffy tried resisiting but it knocked him out. Higher force from AP with concasser did not outweigh the hard hit with the knee, which goes to underscore the hardness of Sanji's bones in this context more so than the higher AP from Concasser (on top of haki which he must've used to be able to damage Luffy with blunt attacks). The underlying hardness of Sanji's bones is what allowed him to fracture Luffy's skull when he uses the knee to leverage hardness in the hit.




Which Katakuri did not produce this level of fracturing ever during their fight. Katakuri never managed to produce any MEKI in Luffy.
:cheers::cheers::cheers:

This again just highlights just the hardness OF SANJI'S BONES. (Just look at Sanji's lifting the some thousands or so ton cake feat, Sanji's leg bones are fucking hard as shit being that Sanji is a massive lifter on top of shin hardening, and Katakuri or Luffy could only ever dream of coming close to Sanji's lifting feat!)

And then again, Sanji blocks with the strongest part of the leg and Vergo attacks with the absolute weakest part of the leg where Sanji has all the power leverage and Vergo basically has none. There is one guy that breaks here, and it isn't Vergo
:christman::christman::christman:


Which again goes to show that Vergo was only ever serious in this one attack with the ankle and not the other clashes they engage him where Vergo attacks with proper stances and attacks with the shin as those would have carried more breaking power, so it would have naturally broken Sanji worse if he was ever serious in those exchanhges, which leads us to the absolutely scary conclusion that: Vergo was never ever even serious with Sanji save for this one clash with the ankle, and even that was just Vergo playing around.

Vergo's ankle > block mochi as it could break through Sanji's hardest defence that was also bolstered with haki as Luffy confirms in the same arc he has armanet haki.
We must really underscore the hardness of Sanji's bones and how Vergo broke it while Katakuri never breaks Luffy like Sanji did


VerGod:steef:
 
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critical mindset

#65
I certainly love your titles :suresure:
That's half the fun :moonwalk:

Yes, Katakuri's CoA imbued attacks are softer than Vergo body :goyea:
His hardened mochi is not as hard as Vergo's body, as Sanji was even hurting just from kicking it and complaining how hard it was
aw defeated him just because his fruit is overpowered and Vergo was too confident. Sanji or Vergo would trash Law in no time
Law has too much hax for Sanji, but Sanji with DJ is very lethal and dangerous. I can't give it to Sanji though because of Law's versatile use of hax and skill with his abilities. Law is a trickster but also durable, it's like to think he must have done something with his body to make him very tough I would imagine.
 
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#69
Kata's one finger enough for Vergo-San.
You mean the thing that fires jellybeans that Sanji dodges, while he can't react to Vergo switching legs who almost hit him with a casual left roundhouse swipe :shocking::shocking::shocking:

Vergo-San is on a whole nother physical realm :cheers:
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It’s only a matter of time before you start saying Vergo > Katakuri lol
I am already doing it with this thread lol
 

Lion of Olympus

The Prince of Power
#70
You mean the thing that fires jellybeans that Sanji dodges, while he can't react to Vergo switching legs who almost hit him with a casual left roundhouse swipe :shocking::shocking::shocking:

Vergo-San is on a whole nother physical realm :cheers:
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I am already doing it with this thread lol
Well I’m not complaining. The more you wank Vergo the better it makes Sanji look for bashing his head into the wall twice in a row :kayneshrug:
 
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critical mindset

#71
Well I’m not complaining. The more you wank Vergo the better it makes Sanji look for bashing his head into the wall twice in a row :kayneshrug:
Sure thing, it makes both Sanji and Vergo look good in their respective ways, Sanji for DC and Vergo for tankiness

Sanji's total damage output was comparable to Luffy's Grizzly Magnum and Vergo took that like a fucking tank
 
#72
Diable Jambe already is already in the same ballpark as G3 level of damage output disregarding the effect of internal fire.

We just need to compare the damage output from Sanji's DJ to that of Luffy's Grizzly Magnum that was at full power where two enraged DJ hits make this impact on the wall made of solid steel


Grizzly Magnum slammed Caesar into the wall where the crack propogation that I have highlighted means it was not an immediate but a stepwise fracturing process of the wall. Even the sfx signifies a deepening crack growth, meaning it did take some time for Luffy to push thorugh this wall.


as seen here Caesar flew though an air chute, the wall was not even that thick and it would've been of a similar constitution to that of the wall Sanji kicked Vergo into.
Note, in the official Viz translation it says steel and not iron

Sanji with the impact of his DJ kicks never pushed Vergo into the wall like Luffy did Caesar, but it was just the momentum imparted onto Vergo that broke through the wall. That's the difference and scary implication for how powerful Sanji with Diable Jambe is which would make it into G3 level power

Hell Memories which would be a more powered up version of DJ was able of making Wadatsumi's head cave into his body


here is a better picture


with the way the fat overlaps, and wadatsumi is still an overinflated ball that is armoured with air pressure, which means it is immune to blunt damage, but Sanji nevertheless makes his whole body cave in like this which speaks volumes of his AP in this mode. The fact that Wadatsumi is knocked out and spitting out blood again is confirmation that Sanji damages internally, because there is no other way to explain the fact that he does this unless you want to say Hell Memories is >>>> G3 which is not the case.



So your follow up with Doffy is stupid. He uses haki to block Luffy and looks casual while doing it, while he looks anxious when confronted with Sanji, puts up no haki block and just blocks with raw power, seemingly not effected by the internal fire either? That's your implication and it is stupid when we see how much damage output DJ packs, on the level or bordering on G3 attack power, so he did not block it in a manner he did against Luffy, considering the fact he called Sanji powerful but never did to Luffy, an additional information that again suggests he used barrier haki to block, which we now know is a thing and common in the NW.

No need to bullshit your way with this as Sanji demonstrates both internal fire and G3 level damage output with DJ, so it is the most natural to assume DD used barrier haki here, as we even see the fire dispersed in a manner that suggests he uses it.


To see what a difference the block mochi makes in taking and absorbing those hits we need only to look at this instance of a direct hit from just a regular kick by Luffy who was far from being even in a good shape at this point


The VC even calls out Oven as more durable for his body, even tying it to inherited durabiltiy from BM, and @PuckTheGreat is the one that translated those parts from the VC.

It means the VC calls out Oven as the most durable, with an additional corroborating piece of evidence when it is specifically linked to inheritability, so it is not just some anomaly but two corroborating informations about Oven's durability that confirms he is tougher than Katakuri.

Again, Oven who doesn't have mochi block that acts as a shock absorber and protecting shield, doesn't even use haki, Oven goes around being attacked by Ichiji, Niji, got run over by the ship, the dude is going around tanking attacks with his body let and right, unlike Katakuri. Oven got his collarbone broken by Sanji's kick, which again highlights just how hard Sanji is just with his base hardness, the raw hardness broke the collarbone of the most druable BMP crew member.

Katakuri without block mochi just his regular base durability would not fare as well and be able to handle the travails of Oven in WCI, as Katakuri is someone that relies on evasiveness and hardened mochi, while Oven just goes about being naturally durable.

So this highlights the difference between Katakuri, Oven and Vergo


That is a pretty stupid thing to say with how Vergo broke Sanji, means you got to be intellectually honest and judge Tashigi in the face of the evidence, but you don't because you're a Zoro fanboi thats intellectually dishonest or just outright stupid

You gonna simp so hard and be a dumbass to think its ok for Zoro to get a pass when he fights Monet with toothpick weapons? While Tashigi doesn't?

This is where we can just outright dismiss Zoro as a serious combattant in Punk Hazard, and yes Zoro is physically inferior to fucking Monet!

Zoro is fighting against toothpicks weapons here. Even I who specialise grip training specific for arm wrestling would struggle against my 9 year old niece if he has a stick and I’m using a needle. This much should be obvious.

Zoro is using graded swords here, sturdy and tough as hell, much thicker and stronger than the needle weapons. Hell, Monet doesn't even fit her tongs around the wooden hilt so she doesn't even have proper grip, meaning she is relying a lot more on just using grip muscles and not able to recruit any bigger muscle groups to anywhere near the extent that Zoro does. Monet cannot leverage anywhere as much power compared to Zoro, but still puts up a fight and forces Zoro to go heavy in his his blocks as seen here he actually blocks with two swords, and all you swordbois should recognise the left sword he holds, ie the famous Shushi just to block some pathetic needle weapon attack. :josad:

Here again we see where Zoro blocks with Shushui and I highlight how Monet can't properly fit her tongs around the wooden hilt, as such not leverage proper force in her clashes on top of having a significantly weaker weapon than Zoro


Here Monet uses a skin blade, but Zoro needs a two-armed block with a serious countenance meaning he ain't blocking this with any ease.

Here Monet is using some kind of weak ass feather for attack. From this we learn that Zoro only opts to defend and not attack, but that doesn't change the fact that he is in a position where he needs to expend a lot of effort just to block super weak attacks.

Even here you see a big haki splash, which can only have come about from both Monet and Zoro using haki. Zoro used haki to defend against Monet!! :josad:



Needless to say Tashigi never fought against the toothpicks. First she blocks a blindside attack from Monet's strongest form.


She then gets blindsided from behind by a fully powered up kick by Monet where she hasn't got time to react and prepare a block. Of course needless to say this kick would hurl Zoro into the wall when he can't even properly defend against nail weapon attacks. Here Monet is able to exert a lot more power, a full body motion not armed with puny, tiny needles that only serve to weaken her physical output.


But we see how Monet looks up to Tashigi's fighting prowess much more than she does Zoro, hence why she starts using dirty tactics on her and commending her skill and strength.


Truth is that punch would knock the fuck out of Zoro and Sanji if even Sanji who is a Muay Thai fighter can't handle a kick like that from Vergo which was not even hardened

This shit would end Zoro and Sanji but Tashigi restrains and Monet has difficulties ripping through when she did it casually to the G-5 soldiers that were able of holding off Zoro, Brook and Kinnemon. Three top soldiers with different special abilities were held off fine by G-5 such that Zoro needs to go for a powermove

Can you see here how Kinnemon with fire and Brook with ice hax in addition to Zoro can't breach the G-5?


Which prompts Zoro to go for a powermove, only to have it casually blocked by Tashigi who in the same panel tells us she has no fighitng intentions, therefore just casually blocked it without even counterattacking


Tashigi who has got no will to fight just meant to break off the clash, and as such didn't really exert any effort into this block. This becomes clear when we look at Zoro who swings his sword with full power and has proper footing for better strength output, while Tashigi is midair, as in stopping Zoro's attack with no footing to leverage more strength in the block, yet she doesn't even perform a proper block here, just raising her sword in some kind of resistance without actually doing some counter attacking. She just raises her sword and that's enough to stop Zoro in his track. :milaugh:

It is clear from this that Tashigi is much stronger than Zoro. In fact both Zoro and Sanji look like physical turds compared to Tashigi

It is possible Tashigi is some freak who got work done on her by Vegapunk and the training from Vergo made her into a top physical specimen
Who the fuck is reading this wall of text?
 
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#75
I have Katakuri as slightly stronger than Smoker, he's basically the same type of fighter except with more emphasis on evasion, and more dangerous with mochi stickiness. Mogura wouldn't be much of a factor against a guy of Vergo's caliber as it's too slow and linear to land, it might only work against lower level fighters like Sanji.

Katakuri can push Vergo farther than Smoker in a fight, requiring him to bring out full body haki, and once he does, it's over. Too tanky for Katakuri at that point to be put down.
 

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#76
Powderpuff Dogtooth couldn't put down a heavily beaten up rubber after 100+ hits.

What's he gonna do to the terminator of one piece, who in base, without even using haki, just by switching legs and blocking cracked the shin of a superhuman that was also experimented on to give him an exoskeleton that's even sturdier?? Let's not even talk about fullbody haki. It's a no contest then.


Vergo cracks Dogtooth's entire body.
 
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