Powers & Abilities Vol 103 SBS: Sanji's Invisibility comes from Speed, not Exoskeleton

[langitbarat]

What do you think of this?
Please discuss the pros and cons about Invisibility from Speed (moving at a real superspeed) vs Invisibility from Exoskeleton (ala DF).


Speed Invis

+ Harder to pinpoint using CoO

- Depends on stamina
- Can't be used if immobilized/restricted
- Less effective in Stealth activities

 

[Chrono]

Queen literally said its from speed in the cannon. How can anyone even deny it lmao.

 

[Aknolagon]

Based on speed ... reminds me a lunarian who become faster in fight

 

[Geo]

It is high speed movement. Multiple characters have shown that ability, however, Sanji is the only one so far who had used it consistently for more than a second. It comes at the cost of stamina.

Invisibility via RS is camouflage , it does not cost stamina but it works for a single attack

 

[VisualKei]

But he can't use that spees if he tried to peeking girls bathroom

 

[Chrono]

It is high speed movement. Multiple characters have shown that ability, however, Sanji is the only one so far who had used it consistently for more than a second. It comes at the cost of stamina.

Invisibility via RS is camouflage , it does not cost stamina but it works for a single attack

Nope...Kuro's invisibility lasted longer than a second as well.

Sanji is the only one to do it against a High Tier. Thus you cant compare it to the past.

Would Kuro move invisible to Queen ? Hell no.
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Based on speed ... reminds me a lunarian who become faster in fight

Sadly Oda doesnt see that as invisibility.

 

[BleakAsh]

It is high speed movement. Multiple characters have shown that ability, however, Sanji is the only one so far who had used it consistently for more than a second. It comes at the cost of stamina.

Invisibility via RS is camouflage , it does not cost stamina but it works for a single attack

if we take Queen's words at face value sanji was supposed to be extremely exhausted the moment he stops..

the the nikka went on and even finished queen and his his Mikey mouse moment

 

[Geo]

Nope...Kuro's invisibility lasted longer than a second as well.

Sanji is the only one to do it against a High Tier. Thus you cant compare it to the past.

Would Kuro move invisible to Queen ? Hell no.

Ah yes you are right, Kuro also achieved the same feat and Cavendish

Irrelevant, Luffy disappeared to Katakuri as well. The whole point of high speed movement is to disappear. It is up to the opponent to react.

Yes he would be invisible but Queen would be able to react since not all high speed movement have equal speed.

 

[BleakAsh]

But he can't use that spees if he tried to peeking girls bathroom

I think his CoO can picture it but not detailed auras 👀

 

[mrtsrdr]

So , sanji has been top 1 fastest guy in the verse :) ( except kizaru )

 

[WizardKing]

But he can't use that spees if he tried to peeking girls bathroom

I think its like haki sanji would use it only in fights and not for spy
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So , sanji has been top 1 fastest guy in the verse :) ( except kizaru )

It is

 

[Geo]

if we take Queen's words at face value sanji was supposed to be extremely exhausted the moment he stops..

the the nikka went on and even finished queen and his his Mikey mouse moment

Actually that is what happened. He came out of that mode ones he lost stamina.

It doesn't mean he cannot fight after high speed movement. It means you need a certain level of stamina to maintain high speed movement

 

[soheilhazrat]

How is this news?

 

[Chrono]

Ah yes you are right, Kuro also achieved the same feat and Cavendish

Irrelevant, Luffy disappeared to Katakuri as well. The whole point of high speed movement is to disappear. It is up to the opponent to react.

Yes he would be invisible but Queen would be able to react since not all high speed movement have equal speed.

No the point of high speed movement isnt to disappear. Its to move faster. Thats the literal point. And no Luffy didnt move inviisble to Katakuri.....post the panels.

That makes zero sense. How can you react to someone if a person is invisible to you. Queen would easily be able to see Kuro. Same way Lucci could easily see G2 Luffy but Blueno couldnt and G2 Luffy was invisible to him.

Being invisble to one person /=/ invisible to everyone else.

 

[WizardKing]

Actually that is what happened. He came out of that mode ones he lost stamina.

It doesn't mean he cannot fight after high speed movement. It means you need a certain level of stamina to maintain high speed movement

He could fight away longer dont forget that sanji fought the entire time he saved luffy from the headliners then black maria then saved zolo the useless cross then fought queen and saved chopper and the others then fought king and queen and then the fight between sanji vs hybrid queen sooooo he fought every free second in wano. He could not use the light speed longer but normal speed he could use

 

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

I don't think anyone serious would argue against that guys.
Only exception are people who want to mess with you

 

[BleakAsh]

Actually that is what happened. He came out of that mode ones he lost stamina.

It doesn't mean he cannot fight after high speed movement. It means you need a certain level of stamina to maintain high speed movement

isn't that counter intuitive

Like Queen actually state that he'd be completely exhausted after it you'd expect sanji to be in a very bad condition from that statement... and then going on to blitz someone like Queen left and right and sending him downtown doesn't make sense if his condition is that bad.. sanji was barley showing fatigue.. that is the point

 

[Peroroncino]

Hes got the power to do what zoro and luffy did in act 1

 

[Geo]

No the point of high speed movement isnt to disappear. Its to move faster. Thats the literal point. And no Luffy didnt move inviisble to Katakuri.....post the panels.

That makes zero sense. How can you react to someone if a person is invisible to you. Queen would easily be able to see Kuro. Same way Lucci could easily see G2 Luffy but Blueno couldnt and G2 Luffy was invisible to him.

Being invisble to one person /=/ invisible to everyone else.

Everytime a character used high speed movement, they disappeared on panel. Niji, Luffy, Zoro, Mr Go etc. If it was something new, Queen would not label it high speed movement.

That's literally what COO is for...to sense what you can't see. Luffy was trained in COO with a blindfold on.
You are mistakenly comparing inability to react to inability to see. Luffy blitzed Lucci as well and vice versa.

If that was the case, characters would not be disappearing on panel and Queen would not labeling as high speed movement
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isn't that counter intuitive

Like Queen actually state that he'd be completely exhausted after it you'd expect sanji to be in a very bad condition from that statement... and then going on to blitz someone like Queen left and right and sending him downtown doesn't make sense if his condition is that bad.. sanji was barley showing fatigue.. that is the point

Actually he said that the next time he reveals himself, it would be because he was out of stamina. Then we see Sanji reveal himself huffing. Afterwards, Sanji did not use that same movement. Hence, proving Queen's point.

Think of it this way, you need Stamina at 70-100% to use high speed movement. The more you use it, the more it drains stamina. If your stamina goes below that, you cannot use it.
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He could fight away longer dont forget that sanji fought the entire time he saved luffy from the headliners then black maria then saved zolo the useless cross then fought queen and saved chopper and the others then fought king and queen and then the fight between sanji vs hybrid queen sooooo he fought every free second in wano. He could not use the light speed longer but normal speed he could use

Yes that is basically what I am saying. He could not use high speed movement longer but he can still use his normal speed

 

[langitbarat]

How is this news?

Some Sanjibros like me wanted Sanji to have Invisibility from super speed movement AND from his Exoskeleton modification.
We took an L today.
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Queen literally said its from speed in the cannon. How can anyone even deny it lmao.

Above reasoning.

Also the SFX used in a certain panel made us think it's the "usual" invisibility.