Controversial Wano is the same length as DBZ from start to Cell Saga.

[moreha9685]

Radditz, Afterlife, Saiyans, Bulma & Kurilin space shenanigans, Frieza, more Frieza, final Frieza, SUPERU Saiyan, end of Namek, and back on Earth.

Vs

Tama, SHs' new odd jobs around Wano, Kaido, Udon, BM, BM pirates, and amnesia BM, forcefed Oden bukkake, traitor plot, raid, G5, drunk Kaido, rushed ending, Film Red ad, and "fuck Yamatoe, we're out of here".

 

[trav]

It makes me realize how little I cared about a story as a kid and that screaming KAMEHAMEHA at the top their lungs was enough to keep me entertained.

DBZ can be summed up in a few sentences. It can also be extended to all future DB versions.
Goku strong
Goku meet stronger guy
Goku becomes stronger
Goku beats stronger guy
Goku meet stronger guy
and so on
sometimes Goku is other guy like Vegetable or one of his son, or maybe even Vegetable son, but pattern remains. Fusion too for novelty.

 

[grey matter]

Meh. That sounds about right tbh.

Though Wano was absolutely 50 chapters longer than it really should have been

No, Wano should've even been longer.

Issue was Oda built up so many subplots and characters, which went nowhere and is abandoned/in limbo by the time raid concluded.

Either don't introduce them in the first place, and make the arc much smaller.
Or do all that, and go all the way to address them by the end of the arc.

I would prefer the latter, Wano was an arc meant to highlight Oda's worldbuild and story telling.
Wano would've been the peak OP arc if Oda actually went through with his initial plans, instead of abandoning them mid way.

 

[Rukusho]

It makes me realize how little I cared about a story as a kid and that screaming KAMEHAMEHA at the top their lungs was enough to keep me entertained.

DBZ can be summed up in a few sentences. It can also be extended to all future DB versions.
Goku strong
Goku meet stronger guy
Goku becomes stronger
Goku beats stronger guy
Goku meet stronger guy
and so on
sometimes Goku is other guy like Vegetable or one of his son, or maybe even Vegetable son, but pattern remains. Fusion too for novelty.

lol how did you interpret DB this way ??? Wtf ?

 

[trav]

lol how did you interpret DB this way ??? Wtf ?

DBZ. DB clears this trash.

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[Juanpiz]

DBZ. DB clears this trash.

Lets Not Talk about super

 

[moreha9685]

Lengthwise:
Wano = Radditz + Saiyans + Namek = all of Shippuden until Jiraya's death

 

[Rukusho]

DBZ. DB clears this trash.

DBZ also has much more clarity than that man, example.

Reddit shows up - Goku’s too weak Piccolo get the kill

Saiyan Saga - Without Kaioken and Yajirobe Goku loses to Vegeta (base Vegeta > Base Goku this saga)

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Lets Not Talk about super

Super is a travesty. Turned Goku into a moron.

 

[Sentinel]

Super is a travesty. Turned Goku into a moron.

Despite its flaws, I enjoyed Super till the tournament arc. After I heard what happened in the manga afterwards, I quickly lost interest.

Also, way too many transformations.

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

Longer than entire OG Naruto beginning to end of Konoha Crush

 

[Blahmigooo]

What do you expect :-

90% fight 10% plot
VS
30% plot, 45% filler, 25% fight

 

[ShinichiMugi]

Oda is too slow in his pacing indeed

 

[LolonoisZolo]

It makes me realize how little I cared about a story as a kid and that screaming KAMEHAMEHA at the top their lungs was enough to keep me entertained.

DBZ can be summed up in a few sentences. It can also be extended to all future DB versions.
Goku strong
Goku meet stronger guy
Goku becomes stronger
Goku beats stronger guy
Goku meet stronger guy
and so on
sometimes Goku is other guy like Vegetable or one of his son, or maybe even Vegetable son, but pattern remains. Fusion too for novelty.

Exactly lmao
I remember an episode where Gohan goes Kamehameha for the whole thing against Cell...I liked it when I was 6...

 

[kurwa]

One piece is all bloat with no substance

a real author could’ve done whole wano arc in less than 30 chapters and you would get more fights, more lore and less fodder

 

[Cross_Marian]

Wano is one of the worst Shonen arcs
I only liked Roger's journey

 

[BoaHancocksHusband]

One piece is all bloat with no substance

a real author could’ve done whole wano arc in less than 30 chapters and you would get more fights, more lore and less fodder

But then how’d we get the random Onimaru chapter and Tama’s Teapot?

 

[thisnewtechnique]

Radditz, Afterlife, Saiyans, Bulma & Kurilin space shenanigans, Frieza, more Frieza, final Frieza, SUPERU Saiyan, end of Namek, and back on Earth.

Vs

Tama, SHs' new odd jobs around Wano, Kaido, Udon, BM, BM pirates, and amnesia BM, forcefed Oden bukkake, traitor plot, raid, G5, drunk Kaido, rushed ending, Film Red ad, and "fuck Yamatoe, we're out of here".

Theres no comparison tbh

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

Either don't introduce them in the first place, and make the arc much smaller.

That's what I said no? Shave the fat and make the story go much faster.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No, Wano should've even been longer.

Issue was Oda built up so many subplots and characters, which went nowhere and is abandoned/in limbo by the time raid concluded.

Either don't introduce them in the first place, and make the arc much smaller.
Or do all that, and go all the way to address them by the end of the arc.

I would prefer the latter, Wano was an arc meant to highlight Oda's worldbuild and story telling.
Wano would've been the peak OP arc if Oda actually went through with his initial plans, instead of abandoning them mid way.

Wanos world building was terrible. Even the set up was bad. We visited multiple towns that were all seemingly identical and wastelands that were all seemingly identical.

This isn’t a length of story issue, oda just lost his ability to do proper island level world building