Perospero might play the Flampe role in the Marco vs King and Queen battle, where King and Queen would gain the advantage, but i don't think Marco will be remain down for the count.
Marco still has many possible on-going plots.
- The tie between Luffy, Marco and Ace, with a Marco who has yet to meet Luffy(and Luffy wanting to meet Marco back on Zou)
- The 1% of survival brought up by Hawkins potentially tied to Luffy, with Marco potentially playing a role in healing him(or/and other guys on the roof) during a decisive moment, potentially confronting Big Mom again as well, who already invited him into a fight before
- The Weevil plot, who may or may not happen during the arc
- He also needs to still active to view the "new generation overcoming old generation", which has been a recurrent theme for him in the arc, which i think will ultimately happen after defeating King
On the other hand, the chapter hinted at a round 2 between Perospero and Carrot, with Perospero literally admitting he was saved by weather being on his side, mocking their act of revenge towards Pedro, which i think should come to bite him back later, and with the relationship between Chopper(who has yet to get his match-up) and Carrot, maybe he could even tag in the mix and fight Perospero after curing the samurais infected by Queen's virus
Queen on the other hand should turn out to be Sanji's opponent. Queen has many connections with Sanji, interested in him being judge's son, while having great technological knowledge(so should be interested in the raid suit), also being the one who originally called out the tobiroppo to capture the o soba mask, so their plot should be tied like this once again.
But Queen also aimed at killing Drake, so Drake might also be involved.
Regardless of where Sanji is going currently, i think he'd end up meeting Yamato, who'd should be the one to protect the samurais against Jack
Marco still has many possible on-going plots.
- The tie between Luffy, Marco and Ace, with a Marco who has yet to meet Luffy(and Luffy wanting to meet Marco back on Zou)
- The 1% of survival brought up by Hawkins potentially tied to Luffy, with Marco potentially playing a role in healing him(or/and other guys on the roof) during a decisive moment, potentially confronting Big Mom again as well, who already invited him into a fight before
- The Weevil plot, who may or may not happen during the arc
- He also needs to still active to view the "new generation overcoming old generation", which has been a recurrent theme for him in the arc, which i think will ultimately happen after defeating King
On the other hand, the chapter hinted at a round 2 between Perospero and Carrot, with Perospero literally admitting he was saved by weather being on his side, mocking their act of revenge towards Pedro, which i think should come to bite him back later, and with the relationship between Chopper(who has yet to get his match-up) and Carrot, maybe he could even tag in the mix and fight Perospero after curing the samurais infected by Queen's virus
Queen on the other hand should turn out to be Sanji's opponent. Queen has many connections with Sanji, interested in him being judge's son, while having great technological knowledge(so should be interested in the raid suit), also being the one who originally called out the tobiroppo to capture the o soba mask, so their plot should be tied like this once again.
But Queen also aimed at killing Drake, so Drake might also be involved.
Regardless of where Sanji is going currently, i think he'd end up meeting Yamato, who'd should be the one to protect the samurais against Jack
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Perospero role isn't to be flampe here
Perospero is here to ensure the victory of Yonko/BMP
Oda postponed Marco's defeat already, he wouldn't repeat again. So if peropsero gets to attack Marco, it means this time he is getting beaten /captured
Marco will probably sacrifice himself for Luffy and co later on in act 4 perhaps or after onigashima lands
Troll Kizaru : casual King & Queen
Onigumo : Perospero
Perospero is here to ensure the victory of Yonko/BMP
Oda postponed Marco's defeat already, he wouldn't repeat again. So if peropsero gets to attack Marco, it means this time he is getting beaten /captured
Marco will probably sacrifice himself for Luffy and co later on in act 4 perhaps or after onigashima lands
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Troll Kizaru : casual King & Queen
Onigumo : Perospero
I'm gonna bring this up once, because I'm sure I'm going to get mocked/flamed for the opinion, but whatever.
I feel like there is a clear thematic idea going on with Wano: Kaido (Specifically Kaido) and his Hundred Beast Pirate Crew are begin taken down by the Worst Generation. Not just specifically the Worst Generation, by the Strawhat Pirates. I'll walk through this with as many points as I can.
Case #1: Kaido's crew has 10 main members, including himself. 5 of the 10 members so far are exclusively Strawhat. You have Who's Who vs Jinbe. You have Brook/Robin vs Black Maria. You have Franky vs. Sasaki. You have Nami/Usopp vs Ulti/Page 1. So far, these seem pretty set in stone. Funny enough, Drake is the last of the F6 and he just so happens to be near Chopper guarding him while he makes a cure to a virus that makes you a mindless monster. I do not presume to know what is going to happen but I just find this interesting because all F6 members are intrinsically tied to ONLY strawhat members. Not only this, but Drake, even though he's good, is STILL tied to promotional material as if he's a full fledged Beast Pirate (1006 Color Spread, Vol 97, etc). So who knows.
Case #2: If we take the words of this CP-0 member as Oda's own, then the main battle is focused on the Worst Generation and what they call Kaido's "Executives" (which are the Calamities and F6 members).
So far, from what we know. All F6 members are tied to Strawhats, and while this guy talks about the Worst Generation, Oda literally only highlights Strawhats and Yamato, a character much of the fandom believes is joining by the end of the arc. This means, fundamentally, Marco vs King/Queen really does not fit the theme/narrative that the New/Worst Generation will surpass the "Executives". Note that Executives is the key word here, because nothing would prevent Marco from healing and assisting those on top (for example, I can see him playing a role in Big Mom's defeat specifically due to their initial clash). Maybe he's the one who defeats Perospero, but that's exactly it: Perospero is not central to this arc, same with Marco, these are secondary characters thus far.
And if there is any indication from this color spread, the matchups so far, and just the themes of the arc, these are the true villains:
And if this is the case, then it really should rule out matchups like Sanji vs Perospero, Luffy vs Big Mom, Zoro vs Smoothie, and especially things like Drake vs Queen. This to me just screams "Strawhat Villains" ala Boroque Works or CP-9 or the Donquixote Pirates (you can say your peace on this, but the arc was mainly about gaining fleet allies and they took much of the fights).
Case 3#: "Powerscaling". One of the worst things this forum did last year was assume the strength of the Flying 6. A bunch of people here denied the fact that the Strawhats woudn't take any of them or most of them. It led to wild speculations like the Scabbards only fighting them, or the Supernova, creating this idea that the rest of Luffy's crew would fight fodder because anything else is "illogical". The SAME exact thing right now is happening with the Calamities. I'm hearing people say its "Impossible" for Yamato to be stronger than Jinbe and fight Jack, that its "impossible" for Sanji to fight King or Queen alone, or that Zoro would one shot any of them based on nothing but Zoro being on the roof. It took Luffy roughly 12 hours to defeat Katakuri, and this is the same person on the roof aiming to defeat Kaido. We have to come to terms that roughly anything could happen at any time.
Case #4: We have no idea what Oda is going to write next. Oda has done plenty of fakeouts in the past, leading people to believe that certain matchups would happen because that's where Oda puts them. This was entirely the case just recently with Carrot fighting Peros or Yamato fighting Ulti/Sasaki, they've effectively led to nothing serious. Hell, even Jack is back up and fighting. I bring this up because people are entirely adamant on the rooftop fight going a particular way before we truly know how strong the Yonko really are. All I've ever said about this arc is to have patience before we jump to foregone conclusions. We don't KNOW where Luffy and Zoro will be in 10 chapters, just like we don't KNOW where Sanji or Yamato will be either.
Case #5: Just pure patterns. Oda almost always has Zoro and Sanji fight the #2 and 3 arc villains where it counts. Now this is highly dependent on the arc, but this is more a knock against Zoro because there has yet to be a moment where Zoro steals Luffy's thunder from his own main fights (not talking about his Kuma moment, don't bring it up). I just don't think its effectively happening by the end, but I could be wrong. Its just like how I don't think Law or Kid are going to overshadow Luffy either.
Case #6: Doing the math. 6 of the 10 Strawhats are tied to 5 of the Tobi Roppo. A 7th Strawhat (Chopper) is tied to the last Tobi Roppo (former, but you get the point by now hopefully). This leaves Luffy, Zoro and Sanji for the last 4. Add Yamato (as we would if this were Franky and Enies Lobby, assumedly), and you have 4 for 4 remaining....you see where I'm going with this.
Now, I've drawn up my own conclusions about these matchups, and they are in NO WAY meant to be right, but if you've read the above, you may actually agree with what I'm seeing here. These are the matchups I fundamentally have and am betting on until something changes and we know the rest of the battles:
- Luffy vs Kaido: In the end I think its going one way and it will be them only. Either this and Big Mom is out of the picture, allowing Law/Kid to act how Law did back at Dressrosa with Doflamingo, assisting in giving Luffy an advantage. This manga is about Luffy. This fight will be focused ON Luffy, regardless of what people think Zoro will do to Kaido in the end (which may in fact happen)
- Zoro vs King: If you've seen what I've said above about patterns and just purely what is left, it can make sense. Now it depends on the rooftop fight conclusion (if it even ends) and what happens to Onigashima and Zoro after. Zoro still needs to learn his heritage from Wano here, which implies some break in the fighting tbh because if he's "meant" to pull a Ryuuma on Kaido later on, he (and us the readers) should understand that there is some connection between him and Ryuuma as part of the Shimotsuki clan. Fighting King is just a potential route to that path. I admit that there isn't much to go on here outside of "counting logic" or "patterns"
- Sanji vs Queen: I fundamentally believe they have a connection. Queen has recalled Judge at a time where we are as readers should question their relationship. The only way this gets addressed is with Sanji, regardless of how large or small the connection is. Queen's eccentric personality also just fits Sanji's MO.
- Yamato vs Jack: Again, based on what we know, Yamato is immensely strong with a hidden power. If we are to assume she's the "Franky" of Wano (ala Enies Lobby), she could have a fight with Jack. I feel like her fighting Jack is thematically relevant. She has Momo, and may encounter Sanji soon. If she does, Sanji will tell her about the Scabbards potentially being killed by Jack, which will drive her to save them because they are Momo's retainers. Not to mention, the 10th person is likely Toki or Hiyori, which implies they need rescuing too due to being Momo's sister/mother. Overall, this matchup just makes sense to me.
- Jinbe vs Who's Who: Essentially confirmed. Not much to say here. They have a personal connection, just like Sanji and Queen seem to have, hence how it may support the logic.
- Brook/Robin vs Black Maria: Also essentially confirmed. Doubt Brook is going anywhere at this point. He was here and he stayed with Robin/didn't leave with Sanji.
- Franky vs Sasaki: Confirmed. Nothing else to say.
- Chopper vs Onified Drake: If you read the above, you'll know why I think this is possible. Time to stop the powerscaling excuses. Chopper is a main character and deserves to be treated as such.
- Nami and Usopp vs Ulti and Page 1: Also pretty much confirmed. Ulti wants Nami dead. Shes with Usopp. Page 1 is following Ulti. This matchup pretty much seems like its in the bag. Also the perfect matchup for Nami because now her opponent can tank her strongest moves.
Say what you will, have your opinions, I just think this is, by far, the cleanest matchup Oda can give the main characters of the story before he propels us in to the endgame. This is how we logically can have the crew fight vice admirals and admirals, Gorosei, Level 6 pirates and other top tier Yonko captains (under Blackbeard/Shanks), because Oda allowed us the space to see each Strawhat surpass a Yonko's crew first hand.
Just remember, this is already HALF true. 6 of 10 Strawhats are fighting virtually all the F6 members. Sanji WILL fight a Calamity. Yamato MAY fight one herself. Regardless of what Zoro does, he will be capable enough to fight the opponents above after this arc. This is why I don't think we need to fret so much, but I personally just don't believe Oda is giving any non-Strawhat the Beast Pirate fights. They seem entirely made for Luffy's crew.
I feel like there is a clear thematic idea going on with Wano: Kaido (Specifically Kaido) and his Hundred Beast Pirate Crew are begin taken down by the Worst Generation. Not just specifically the Worst Generation, by the Strawhat Pirates. I'll walk through this with as many points as I can.
Case #1: Kaido's crew has 10 main members, including himself. 5 of the 10 members so far are exclusively Strawhat. You have Who's Who vs Jinbe. You have Brook/Robin vs Black Maria. You have Franky vs. Sasaki. You have Nami/Usopp vs Ulti/Page 1. So far, these seem pretty set in stone. Funny enough, Drake is the last of the F6 and he just so happens to be near Chopper guarding him while he makes a cure to a virus that makes you a mindless monster. I do not presume to know what is going to happen but I just find this interesting because all F6 members are intrinsically tied to ONLY strawhat members. Not only this, but Drake, even though he's good, is STILL tied to promotional material as if he's a full fledged Beast Pirate (1006 Color Spread, Vol 97, etc). So who knows.
Case #2: If we take the words of this CP-0 member as Oda's own, then the main battle is focused on the Worst Generation and what they call Kaido's "Executives" (which are the Calamities and F6 members).
So far, from what we know. All F6 members are tied to Strawhats, and while this guy talks about the Worst Generation, Oda literally only highlights Strawhats and Yamato, a character much of the fandom believes is joining by the end of the arc. This means, fundamentally, Marco vs King/Queen really does not fit the theme/narrative that the New/Worst Generation will surpass the "Executives". Note that Executives is the key word here, because nothing would prevent Marco from healing and assisting those on top (for example, I can see him playing a role in Big Mom's defeat specifically due to their initial clash). Maybe he's the one who defeats Perospero, but that's exactly it: Perospero is not central to this arc, same with Marco, these are secondary characters thus far.
And if there is any indication from this color spread, the matchups so far, and just the themes of the arc, these are the true villains:
And if this is the case, then it really should rule out matchups like Sanji vs Perospero, Luffy vs Big Mom, Zoro vs Smoothie, and especially things like Drake vs Queen. This to me just screams "Strawhat Villains" ala Boroque Works or CP-9 or the Donquixote Pirates (you can say your peace on this, but the arc was mainly about gaining fleet allies and they took much of the fights).
Case 3#: "Powerscaling". One of the worst things this forum did last year was assume the strength of the Flying 6. A bunch of people here denied the fact that the Strawhats woudn't take any of them or most of them. It led to wild speculations like the Scabbards only fighting them, or the Supernova, creating this idea that the rest of Luffy's crew would fight fodder because anything else is "illogical". The SAME exact thing right now is happening with the Calamities. I'm hearing people say its "Impossible" for Yamato to be stronger than Jinbe and fight Jack, that its "impossible" for Sanji to fight King or Queen alone, or that Zoro would one shot any of them based on nothing but Zoro being on the roof. It took Luffy roughly 12 hours to defeat Katakuri, and this is the same person on the roof aiming to defeat Kaido. We have to come to terms that roughly anything could happen at any time.
Case #4: We have no idea what Oda is going to write next. Oda has done plenty of fakeouts in the past, leading people to believe that certain matchups would happen because that's where Oda puts them. This was entirely the case just recently with Carrot fighting Peros or Yamato fighting Ulti/Sasaki, they've effectively led to nothing serious. Hell, even Jack is back up and fighting. I bring this up because people are entirely adamant on the rooftop fight going a particular way before we truly know how strong the Yonko really are. All I've ever said about this arc is to have patience before we jump to foregone conclusions. We don't KNOW where Luffy and Zoro will be in 10 chapters, just like we don't KNOW where Sanji or Yamato will be either.
Case #5: Just pure patterns. Oda almost always has Zoro and Sanji fight the #2 and 3 arc villains where it counts. Now this is highly dependent on the arc, but this is more a knock against Zoro because there has yet to be a moment where Zoro steals Luffy's thunder from his own main fights (not talking about his Kuma moment, don't bring it up). I just don't think its effectively happening by the end, but I could be wrong. Its just like how I don't think Law or Kid are going to overshadow Luffy either.
Case #6: Doing the math. 6 of the 10 Strawhats are tied to 5 of the Tobi Roppo. A 7th Strawhat (Chopper) is tied to the last Tobi Roppo (former, but you get the point by now hopefully). This leaves Luffy, Zoro and Sanji for the last 4. Add Yamato (as we would if this were Franky and Enies Lobby, assumedly), and you have 4 for 4 remaining....you see where I'm going with this.
Now, I've drawn up my own conclusions about these matchups, and they are in NO WAY meant to be right, but if you've read the above, you may actually agree with what I'm seeing here. These are the matchups I fundamentally have and am betting on until something changes and we know the rest of the battles:
- Luffy vs Kaido: In the end I think its going one way and it will be them only. Either this and Big Mom is out of the picture, allowing Law/Kid to act how Law did back at Dressrosa with Doflamingo, assisting in giving Luffy an advantage. This manga is about Luffy. This fight will be focused ON Luffy, regardless of what people think Zoro will do to Kaido in the end (which may in fact happen)
- Zoro vs King: If you've seen what I've said above about patterns and just purely what is left, it can make sense. Now it depends on the rooftop fight conclusion (if it even ends) and what happens to Onigashima and Zoro after. Zoro still needs to learn his heritage from Wano here, which implies some break in the fighting tbh because if he's "meant" to pull a Ryuuma on Kaido later on, he (and us the readers) should understand that there is some connection between him and Ryuuma as part of the Shimotsuki clan. Fighting King is just a potential route to that path. I admit that there isn't much to go on here outside of "counting logic" or "patterns"
- Sanji vs Queen: I fundamentally believe they have a connection. Queen has recalled Judge at a time where we are as readers should question their relationship. The only way this gets addressed is with Sanji, regardless of how large or small the connection is. Queen's eccentric personality also just fits Sanji's MO.
- Yamato vs Jack: Again, based on what we know, Yamato is immensely strong with a hidden power. If we are to assume she's the "Franky" of Wano (ala Enies Lobby), she could have a fight with Jack. I feel like her fighting Jack is thematically relevant. She has Momo, and may encounter Sanji soon. If she does, Sanji will tell her about the Scabbards potentially being killed by Jack, which will drive her to save them because they are Momo's retainers. Not to mention, the 10th person is likely Toki or Hiyori, which implies they need rescuing too due to being Momo's sister/mother. Overall, this matchup just makes sense to me.
- Jinbe vs Who's Who: Essentially confirmed. Not much to say here. They have a personal connection, just like Sanji and Queen seem to have, hence how it may support the logic.
- Brook/Robin vs Black Maria: Also essentially confirmed. Doubt Brook is going anywhere at this point. He was here and he stayed with Robin/didn't leave with Sanji.
- Franky vs Sasaki: Confirmed. Nothing else to say.
- Chopper vs Onified Drake: If you read the above, you'll know why I think this is possible. Time to stop the powerscaling excuses. Chopper is a main character and deserves to be treated as such.
- Nami and Usopp vs Ulti and Page 1: Also pretty much confirmed. Ulti wants Nami dead. Shes with Usopp. Page 1 is following Ulti. This matchup pretty much seems like its in the bag. Also the perfect matchup for Nami because now her opponent can tank her strongest moves.
Say what you will, have your opinions, I just think this is, by far, the cleanest matchup Oda can give the main characters of the story before he propels us in to the endgame. This is how we logically can have the crew fight vice admirals and admirals, Gorosei, Level 6 pirates and other top tier Yonko captains (under Blackbeard/Shanks), because Oda allowed us the space to see each Strawhat surpass a Yonko's crew first hand.
Just remember, this is already HALF true. 6 of 10 Strawhats are fighting virtually all the F6 members. Sanji WILL fight a Calamity. Yamato MAY fight one herself. Regardless of what Zoro does, he will be capable enough to fight the opponents above after this arc. This is why I don't think we need to fret so much, but I personally just don't believe Oda is giving any non-Strawhat the Beast Pirate fights. They seem entirely made for Luffy's crew.
