Questions & Mysteries Was Old Healthy WB WSM?

[grey matter]

I agree with you in general.

Just on this point:

Kaido is a man right?
A male?
Or no?
Whitebeard title doesn't say "World strongest human", it says world strongest man/male...
And Kaido is a man/male...

It's quite obvious that "man" here is used in context of human, and not as a gender.

It was how stuff like this was always used in language. "Man landed on moon" is meant for humans.

In similar way, I don't think "creature" is referring to humans either. Even though humans are in fact creatures technically, the way we use it in language is to refer to species different from humans.

Let's not get super technical here and use context.

Whitebeard's title and Kaido's title are mutually exclusive.
Otherwise, they simply contradict each other if "creature" includes humans, and "man" includes males of all species.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

You are again failing at the same thing, focusing on an era of WB and ignoring the fact that Kaido is irrelevant at that point and pre-TS not being his part of the story. Fact is, nobody has placed WB above Kaido, individually, in Kaido's era which is newer and overrides every hype that came before.

Neutral parts did it:

You have all top tiers(including Big Mom, Kaido's equal(even if Kaido is little stronger)) saying Whitebeard is the strongest depends seeing and knowing about Kaido/Mihawk powers...

He is called the world strongest pirate for a reason.
And like my example with the record, neither Mihawk or Kaido could took this title of him.

A question, we know Mihawk got his "world strongest swordman" title later.
Why the narrator also didn´t gave him the world strongest man title? I mean he gets the WSS title but not the WSM?
And there is a reason why, based on the Narrator, Mihawk never surpassed Kaido, let alone Whitebeard.

By scaling it goes: Primebeard>Kaido>Mihawk
All of them with titles, Whitebeard is called the strongest Pirate(this includes Kaido and Mihawk)....

 

[comrade]

@Tyki_Mikk Nik thinks calling Whitebeard the strongest pirate isn't a statement of individual strength but his overall greatness as pirate and strength of his pirate crew. It's no different from the cope saying that world's strongest swordsman = greatest swordskill.

And with Kaido witnessing Imu first hand and how the combined effort of 6 top tiers couldn't scratch Imu's balls, we come to understand that those world's strongest titles are just narrative tools to hype up characters in their arc.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

@Tyki_Mikk Nik thinks calling Whitebeard the strongest pirate isn't a statement of individual strength but his overall greatness as pirate and strength of his pirate crew. It's no different from the cope saying that world's strongest swordsman = greatest swordskill.

And with Kaido witnessing Imu first hand and how the combined effort of 6 top tiers couldn't scratch Imu's balls, we come to understand that those world's strongest titles are just narrative tools to hype up characters in their arc.

I think people have any right to doubt that Oldbeard was truly the strongest.
I don´t think that is wrong, however Primebeard got that title and it is based on his power(given that everyone hyped him as the strongest one, including Big Mom).

I don´t understand how Nik can straight look at these panels above and put Mihawk above Primebeard.
I mean Shanks or other swordman? Okay given he has his title, but Whitebeard??
Just simple nope...

 

[comrade]

I think people have any right to doubt that Oldbeard was truly the strongest.
I don´t think that is wrong, however Primebeard got that title and it is based on his power(given that everyone hyped him as the strongest one, including Big Mom).

I don´t understand how Nik can straight look at these panels above and put Mihawk above Primebeard.
I mean Shanks or other swordman? Okay given he has his title, but Whitebeard??
Just simple nope...

His thought process is, that WB's WSM/WSP title doesn't apply to Kaido, because it was given to WB in an era Kaido wasn't at his peak. Likewise, Kaido's WSC title doesn't apply to Mihawk, because it was given to Kaido at a time Mihawk wasn't in his peak.

But by that logic, those title apply to no one from the mid and new gen. It means, WSM/WSP and WSC do not apply to Shanks and Blackbeard either, just like WSM wouldn't apply to any admiral as they weren't at their peak when WB received that title.

We can do a lot of mental gymnastics here.

 

[nik87]

Neutral parts did it:

You have all top tiers(including Big Mom, Kaido's equal(even if Kaido is little stronger)) saying Whitebeard is the strongest depends seeing and knowing about Kaido/Mihawk powers...

He is called the world strongest pirate for a reason.
And like my example with the record, neither Mihawk or Kaido could took this title of him.

A question, we know Mihawk got his "world strongest swordman" title later.
Why the narrator also didn´t gave him the world strongest man title? I mean he gets the WSS title but not the WSM?
And there is a reason why, based on the Narrator, Mihawk never surpassed Kaido, let alone Whitebeard.

By scaling it goes: Primebeard>Kaido>Mihawk
All of them with titles, Whitebeard is called the strongest Pirate(this includes Kaido and Mihawk)....

They didnt. You keep ignoring the fact that all those panels are from an era of Whitebeard, in pre-TS.
WB supremacy in post-TS, Kaido's era, doesnt exist. The one panel you have doesnt refer to individual strength, obviously, due to Giants.
Ruling the era and WSP are not a praise of Whitbeard's individual strength but his organization being the top because you dont rule the seas as a lone wolf but through an organization. This is a fact that keeps getting ignored.

I already told you why Mihawk and Kaido didnt take WSM away from him - because Kaido cannot wield a title due to being a different race and due to Mihawk already being established as WSS long before WB's introduction. Whitebeard isnt in the original plan, like Mihawk, he exists due to story expanding thanks to popularity. He was never intended to be stronger than Mihawk.

Oda simply walked around it, made both Whitebeard and Kaido a different era compared to Mihawk's and in the present day confirmed WSM wasnt true while WSC ended up becoming a rumor instead. Despite having the most inferior title, WSS is the strongest of the 3.
World's Strongest Pirate doesnt refer to individual strength but to the leader of the strongest pirate Empire, giving spotlight to one of the 4 pirate Empires. WSP is inferior to WSM if it was about individual strength and thus redundant so it means something else.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

WB supremacy in post-TS, Kaido's era, doesnt exist.

Almost like he's dead or something. I don't know

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

I think that even with cancer WB was still the WSM. After getting stabbed by Squardo, he got nerfed enough to be beaten by other top tiers. If he wasn't up for the title, the other Yonko (especially Kaido and Big Mom) would probably start to take over his territories, even if slowly.

 

[Red Admiral]

Shanks mid diff him sadly

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Whitebeard died as the strongest

 

[Fleet D. Admiral]

No, that'd be Mihawk

 

[Kiiro]

Nope, there isnt a healthy WB as old. Dude might have been sick for a long time.

There is a panel of a fodder saying WB pirates have been ausent for years.

Maybe because he already was sick