General & Others Was WCI one of the best arcs of One Piece?
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It was both.
I'm not quoting everything out of an assumption that you care about a rebuttal. No offense but I know that's generally not how internet discussions work.
I quote this because you start with it and probably by coincidence, it is chronologically about the earliest thing. First of all we're told IMMEDIATELY what the contents include so it's not a traditional storytelling asspull.
Second and more importantly, Luffy makes his own luck by eschewing convention. At Fishman Island he didn't beat up the errand boys. He didn't plea an extensive case, he didn't run, didn't argue, or carry on with many other possibilities for the situation. He ate the candy and atoned by giving away his treasure. This seeds a plot that blooms after 20 (!) volumes and the unlikely decision reaps the unlikely in turn. But I think you have to understand this concept to understand the main character of the series, never mind the rest.
I'm not quoting everything out of an assumption that you care about a rebuttal. No offense but I know that's generally not how internet discussions work.
I quote this because you start with it and probably by coincidence, it is chronologically about the earliest thing. First of all we're told IMMEDIATELY what the contents include so it's not a traditional storytelling asspull.
Second and more importantly, Luffy makes his own luck by eschewing convention. At Fishman Island he didn't beat up the errand boys. He didn't plea an extensive case, he didn't run, didn't argue, or carry on with many other possibilities for the situation. He ate the candy and atoned by giving away his treasure. This seeds a plot that blooms after 20 (!) volumes and the unlikely decision reaps the unlikely in turn. But I think you have to understand this concept to understand the main character of the series, never mind the rest.
It's quite an asspull since the idea of putting bombs in a treasure box whose content had already been emptied and stolen is very silly and doesn't make sense in itself, especially since it could have damaged Ryugyu Palace and injured or killed people it someone had just opened pr shaken the box.
And these bombs destined to a thief should have been very hardly capable of shaking and making a mountain like castle fall.
And these bombs destined to a thief should have been very hardly capable of shaking and making a mountain like castle fall.
Whoaaa where did that come from man. Oda just making shit up again for his convenience
...The tamate box is a well known Japanese legend where that particular treasure box (gifted by Otohime under the sea) is opened to reveal a devastating surprise. Anyone relatively competent in japanese folklore within the past 500 years could tell you what was going down by the reference. That is literally the opposite of an asspull.
Is it contrived? Maybe in a sense. I mean no harder to grasp than magical rubber powers that are immune to million of volts of lightning, but sure let's go with that. The chances of a thief returning to steal something they believed they had already stolen are non existent right? But that's a low risk high reward ruse that would play on greed and curiosity so it does make sense within a plot. I mean there's never been a such thing as a criminal returning to the scene of a crime ever, but still.
...The tamate box is a well known Japanese legend where that particular treasure box (gifted by Otohime under the sea) is opened to reveal a devastating surprise. Anyone relatively competent in japanese folklore within the past 500 years could tell you what was going down by the reference. That is literally the opposite of an asspull.
Is it contrived? Maybe in a sense. I mean no harder to grasp than magical rubber powers that are immune to million of volts of lightning, but sure let's go with that. The chances of a thief returning to steal something they believed they had already stolen are non existent right? But that's a low risk high reward ruse that would play on greed and curiosity so it does make sense within a plot. I mean there's never been a such thing as a criminal returning to the scene of a crime ever, but still.
Wano is aestethically superior to most probably any other arc so far depicted.
It also wields a particularly special meaning for Oda.
Historical references wise it's extremely solid, despite it boils down to fictionality, and the complexity of the political structure too. It makes Water 7 look like a joke in all honesty.
WCI can't remotely compare that wise. Although I appreciated the amount of differentiation Oda came up with the BPM, it's hands down the most complex crew structure, however Beast Pirates don't joke either.
That being set, the main storyplot itself of Wano also looks the most enthusing ever experienced in ages.
It also wields a particularly special meaning for Oda.
Historical references wise it's extremely solid, despite it boils down to fictionality, and the complexity of the political structure too. It makes Water 7 look like a joke in all honesty.
WCI can't remotely compare that wise. Although I appreciated the amount of differentiation Oda came up with the BPM, it's hands down the most complex crew structure, however Beast Pirates don't joke either.
That being set, the main storyplot itself of Wano also looks the most enthusing ever experienced in ages.
Agreed 100%. WCI second half was the game changer and for the worse.
I always felt very hyped to read the new spoiler / chapter every week up until WCI Tea Party.
There are few moments that felt meh and not right imo, like that scene "Why did Hody Jones resent humam so much?" And then he answered "Nothing, no reasons". And that scene of Sabo appearing in Colosseum and won the Mera Mera. But those scenes didn't stop me from being hyped for spoiler / new chapter every week.
My fond memories being hyped with spoiler is when:
1. Chance of a woman with snow logia DF joining the crew (which didn't happen)
2. Female gladiator talked big about killing Doffy (which turned out to be fodder crybaby)
3. When I misread the spoiler and thought Pica had stone logia DF. Like wtf, Doffy's right hand man actually have stone logia DF, so OP!!
4. When the blind old man is confirmed to be an Admiral (already saw it coming but the confirmation was still epic) and he suddenly summoned a meteor to Green Bit
5. When Pedro and Brook did their duo mission in WCI
Then WCI second half happened and there are 4 reasons it is so shitty
1. The birth of Big Meme. Peak of Big Meme is when she chased Sunny but then got outplayed by Nami, Brook, Chopper trio.
2. Pedro blowing himself up. He was my favorite character that got introduced post TS and instead the shitty rabbit stole the spotlight.
3. Luffy vs Katakuri. Luffy was shown totally inferior but he somehow ended up winning after spamming I will surpass you I will surpass you I will surpass you.
4. Sanji's plot with his family didn't get proper conclusion. Actually arc ended with Niji still shitted on him, Judge still shitted on him (which Luffy cringely misunderstood it as compliment) and he ended up using Raid Shit, shitting all his hard work and fighting style pre WCI.
Water 7 drama:
1. Going Merry reached her limit, which lead to
2. Usopp vs Luffy
3. Robin suddenly leaving the crew
Post TS drama:
1. Mocca who nobody gave a fuck about, is addicted to drug
2. Rebecca crying, waaah waah soldier san waah waah
3. We love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano
I always felt very hyped to read the new spoiler / chapter every week up until WCI Tea Party.
There are few moments that felt meh and not right imo, like that scene "Why did Hody Jones resent humam so much?" And then he answered "Nothing, no reasons". And that scene of Sabo appearing in Colosseum and won the Mera Mera. But those scenes didn't stop me from being hyped for spoiler / new chapter every week.
My fond memories being hyped with spoiler is when:
1. Chance of a woman with snow logia DF joining the crew (which didn't happen)
2. Female gladiator talked big about killing Doffy (which turned out to be fodder crybaby)
3. When I misread the spoiler and thought Pica had stone logia DF. Like wtf, Doffy's right hand man actually have stone logia DF, so OP!!
4. When the blind old man is confirmed to be an Admiral (already saw it coming but the confirmation was still epic) and he suddenly summoned a meteor to Green Bit
5. When Pedro and Brook did their duo mission in WCI
Then WCI second half happened and there are 4 reasons it is so shitty
1. The birth of Big Meme. Peak of Big Meme is when she chased Sunny but then got outplayed by Nami, Brook, Chopper trio.
2. Pedro blowing himself up. He was my favorite character that got introduced post TS and instead the shitty rabbit stole the spotlight.
3. Luffy vs Katakuri. Luffy was shown totally inferior but he somehow ended up winning after spamming I will surpass you I will surpass you I will surpass you.
4. Sanji's plot with his family didn't get proper conclusion. Actually arc ended with Niji still shitted on him, Judge still shitted on him (which Luffy cringely misunderstood it as compliment) and he ended up using Raid Shit, shitting all his hard work and fighting style pre WCI.
Post automatically merged:
Water 7 drama:
1. Going Merry reached her limit, which lead to
2. Usopp vs Luffy
3. Robin suddenly leaving the crew
Post TS drama:
1. Mocca who nobody gave a fuck about, is addicted to drug
2. Rebecca crying, waaah waah soldier san waah waah
3. We love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano
[QUOTE\]ed by Water 7 drama:
1. Going Merry reached her limit, which lead to
2. Usopp vs Luffy
3. Robin suddenly leaving the crew
Post TS drama:
1. Mocca who nobody gave a fuck about, is addicted to drug
2. Rebecca crying, waaah waah soldier san waah waah
3. We love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano[/QUOTE]
Corazon and the city of flevance
Even coala story was good
Doffy story
You are just a hater
1. Going Merry reached her limit, which lead to
2. Usopp vs Luffy
3. Robin suddenly leaving the crew
Post TS drama:
1. Mocca who nobody gave a fuck about, is addicted to drug
2. Rebecca crying, waaah waah soldier san waah waah
3. We love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano, we love Oden sama, open the border of Wano[/QUOTE]
Corazon and the city of flevance
Even coala story was good
Doffy story
You are just a hater
When you're triggered and have no real answers, you resort to insults.
He's spot on with most flaws he mentioned, of course hardcore OP stans won't accept that. It totally messes with their idea of Oda being a genius that only writes perfect arcs.
If you really think arcs like Dressrosa or WCI are "perfect" or among the best OP arcs, you either
A) Don't know how to properly analyze and rate storywriting.
B) Have a very weird taste.
C) Haven't really read pre-skip OP and instead just watched the anime.
Just re-read the stretch from Jaya to Sabaody and compare it to anything we got post-skip. The difference is gigantic.
He's spot on with most flaws he mentioned, of course hardcore OP stans won't accept that. It totally messes with their idea of Oda being a genius that only writes perfect arcs.
If you really think arcs like Dressrosa or WCI are "perfect" or among the best OP arcs, you either
A) Don't know how to properly analyze and rate storywriting.
B) Have a very weird taste.
C) Haven't really read pre-skip OP and instead just watched the anime.
Just re-read the stretch from Jaya to Sabaody and compare it to anything we got post-skip. The difference is gigantic.
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