General & Others Was WCI one of the best arcs of One Piece?

[ZenZu]

You really dont believe that, do you?

- Dressrosa had Doflamingo, WCI had Big Mom
- People complained about Fuji Zoro pushing birdcage in Dressrosa. Compare that to Big Mom getting blocked by Chopper and getting pushed out of the ship in WCI.
- I don't want to go into details of Sanji's cake. Compare that to Zoro cutting Pica at Dressrosa.

I am feeling too lazy to write more

What lol? You're just naming people. 80% of dressrosa's panel time didn't consist of that.

Big Mom being blocked by Chopper was 1 chapter of nonsense. Fuji and birdcage was how many chapters of dragging? That's the difference. I'd rather sit through less chapters of crap if given an option.

The best portion of Dressrosa was probably the Law and Doflamingo backstories.

Pica vs Zoro was one of the lamest fights in One Piece. That one epic panel doesn't excuse that travesty of a "fight". How many chapters did we have to waste of Zoro chasing Pica around. "One small panel every 3 chapters of Zoro looking for his enemy, woohoo this is exactly the excitement I need!" said no one ever.

You can't convince me Dressrosa wasn't a travesty through its horrible handling of pace alone.

You know, I think that's a problem of both arcs. They both have some really good moments that no One Piece fan would trade away, but everything around said moments is lackluster. I mean WCI has Sanji's complete backstory, Katakuri, and Luffy vs Sanji while Dressrosa has the reveal of Gear 4, Doffy and Law's backstories, and the reintroduction of Sabo. Not going to lie, those are some of my favorite scenes especially the backstories. But are WCI and DR good arcs? Not by a long shot! Especially when compared to the Water 7 Saga and Alabasta.

It's frustrating really. :cautious:

Exactly. These arcs are just a bunch of moments you'd rather hit up youtube to watch. Sitting through these arcs is a pain in the ass. Only difference is WCI is 20 or so chapters of less pain.

 

[Zowo]

You really dont believe that, do you?

- Dressrosa had Doflamingo, WCI had Big Mom
- People complained about Fuji Zoro pushing birdcage in Dressrosa. Compare that to Big Mom getting blocked by Chopper and getting pushed out of the ship by Jinbei.
- I don't want to go into details of Sanji's cake. Compare that to Zoro cutting Pica at Dressrosa.

I am feeling too lazy to write more. Wci is not as good as Dressrosa

big mamu owned by chopper an brook sama
only good thing about wci was jinbei brook nami and luffy katakuri

 

[Garp the Fist]

Ah god, WCI. I really should reread it at some point, and the fact I haven't probably is an answer in itself of whether I think it's one of the all time great One Piece arcs. Which it isn't for me.

When I think of WCI I think of the post-tea party stuff. Which, unfortunately, sours the entire experience. I was never overly invested in Katakuri as a character, or the fight he had with Luffy. Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Luffy's motivations in the fight were utterly bizarre- "I need to leave you in the mirror world or you'll kill my crew!" Alright then, ignoring the deranged Yonko hunting them down then, that's cool. Then Luffy just decides bugger the crew entirely, has the opportunity to escape and chooses a training session fight to the death instead. And we had the wedding cake. God, the wedding cake. If ever a plot backfired so horribly 'twas that. A sign of Sanji's apparent saintly kindness (a WCI arc invention in itself that was utter nonsense) that rendered his entire decision to stay for the Tea Party to save his family to be totally pointless, as they were then the ones who had to sacrifice themselves for him.

Also, the Bad End Opera bait and switch was just really, really cheap writing. Possibly the worst end of chapter cliffhanger resolved in the next chapter Oda has ever done.

And speaking of Sanji, given his importance to the arc, Oda absolutely shat the bed with the payoff for it. I actually quite enjoyed his struggle at the early part of the arc, where he's obviously being torn in two over what he needs to do. Thought his second flashback was derivative and poor, that the Vinsmokes are awful characters, and like I said, Saint Sanji was total horse crap totally at odds with what had came before, but the general direction was sound. But the payoff, Jesus wept did Oda miss the landing on that.

Mind him saying he had a big plan to save Luffy? How we got excited over it, wondering what genius idea he came up with? What a let down that was. Sanji's big plan... is jump in and try and run away. Strategic genius. And it fails miserably. And he ends up derided and in the debt of his scumbag family because of it. And finally there's the unintentionally hilarious scene where Judge verbally slaughters Sanji, and Luffy agrees with him. Don't think I was laughing there at what you were intending there, Oda.

Ah, it makes it sound like I hated the arc more than I did. I'm just better at complaining than complementing. The first forty(ish) chapters were all decent stuff. Brook and Jinbei starred for the Strawhats, and supporting characters like Capone, Caesar and Pudding were fun. There were cool fighting moments. And even the derided chase scenes had some decent bits.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Youre just naming people.

The name alone should be enough. I didnt realize you love Big Mom more than donflmingo

 

[MugiwaraPirate]

People will think fondly of this arc 5 years from now. It's always the recent arc that gets criticized.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Most people commenting are zoro fanboys who just hated it coz it focused on Sanji.

Anyway WCI is controversial but not the worst
Compared to Wano (currently) DR and PUNK hazard
WCI is clearly better... enjoyable
Wano is subpar so far with some hype chapters... PH was subpar nothing interesting, DR was dragged and nothing amazing (still dislike how Law was shafted for luffy to shine)

 

[ZenZu]

The name alone should be enough. I didnt realize you love Big Mom more than donflmingo

Like I said. WCI is probably the worse written arc out of the two. Dressrosa just leaves me with nightmares thinking of the brutal pace. Time wasted on a bunch of nothing that contributes close to nothing in the grand scheme of things. Atleast WCI had Yonkou crew lore which was important for the story going forward.

Just thinking of having to read an arc like Dressrosa weekly again sends shivers down my spine. So much time wasted, so little to gain.

Cut the arc down 30 chapters, put more focus where it's needed, and It would've been one of the best imo.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

I stand firm on Katakuri being Oda's worst creation.

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Noodle wasn't a fan? He wanks the BMPs to no end lol.

I didnt like how BM.was treated after tea party
Didn't like how luffy obtained FS and how the fight went from one sided to ending in "will you come defeat my mom" bam kata falls .
Oh also the arc started with Sanji being called weak and ended the same way.

But apart from that, it had great topics to discuss lol
The threat is higher than wano lol
Udon is a summer camp
I expected nothing from wano but the execution is making WCI second half seems outstanding.

 

[Bogard]

WCI was a rescue arc to take Sanji back and as a result, i feel like Oda didn't plan certain things in advance

- Capone's assassination plot: I always felt like it was random. Oda gave no hint of it at all until sometime before the tea party actually started
- Katakuri being Luffy's main enemy: Another thing that didn't seem originally planned. Katakuri was introduced mid arc, just before the tea party. It felt like Oda simply wanted to find a way to make the arc interesting after the tea party
- The cake plot ended up worthless and felt like something Oda only involved to drag the arc. Big Mom's threat to kill Perospero if not that cake ended up worthless. Big Mom didn't get ko'd by the cake. Everything around it didn't really feel like it paid off
- Sanji's plot with the Vinsmokes: After all the struggle he had with them, he was still considered as worthless by them in the end to the point they had to give him raid suit to keep up. Didn't really understand what was the point in this.
- Big Mom's cake crise was one of the worst plot moments of the arc that i feel like Oda abused to drag the arc uselessly

Luffy vs Cracker fight was exciting at the beginning, but became dumb afterwards after the off-panel thing. The introduction of Katakuri and his future sight was an epic moment, the tea party in itself was pretty interesting, but what came after didn't feel planned. In the end, no i'd never really place WCI as one of the best arcs, more like the contrary

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Like I said. WCI is probably the worse written arc out of the two. Dressrosa just leaves me with nightmares thinking of the brutal pace. Time wasted on a bunch of nothing that contributes close to nothing in the grand scheme of things. Atleast WCI had Yonkou crew lore which was important for the story going forward.

Just thinking of having to read an arc like Dressrosa weekly again sends shivers down my spine. So much time wasted, so little to gain.

The dragging related to the baking and Big mom's "weeeedding caaaake" screams actually send a shiver down my spine. It was horrible to read.

Most people commenting are zoro fanboys who just hated it coz it focused on Sanji.

Not really. Sanji was miserable in this arc. Instead of hating it, they should have a fond memory of this arc

 

[Cherry Hilk]

You can argue Dressrosa is better, but it's hard for me to believe Dressrosa can be "way" better than anything.

Even Oda admitted Dressrosa was a massive waste of time.

But the argument for WCI > Dressrosa is pretty simple. At the end of the day I'd rather sit through 78 chapters of crap consisting of a Yonkou's crew (important lore for the story) vs 100+ chapters of crap consisting of useless coliseum fighters and 3rd tier underlings of a mere Shichibukai that add virtually nothing to the story in the bigger picture.

When?
The arc that give the basis to all the future plotlines in the New World, that exploited an antagonist that was lurking around since volume 25 is a waste of time?

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

When?
The arc that give the basis to all the future plotlines in the New World, that exploited an antagonist that was lurking around since volume 25 is a waste of time?

Because no logic found

 

[Cherry Hilk]

Except the Birdcage, i don't see any lack of logic in Dressrosa, indeed is quite the contrary.

 

[Draco]

I'm going to be original, I liked WCI until the straw hats escaped (with their stupid and cringe plot armor), until the stupid wedding cake plot. And I would have liked more the Luffy vs Kata battle if Luffy's "victory" had been better done.


I hate the Vinsmoke and love the BMP. I really like Big Mom but we can notice (with her and Smoothie) how much Oda hates female characters (it's just the Japanese mentality, in their inherent nature, they are like that the nips They hate women. Look at their representation in lots of other manga. At least we have exceptions with persons like Isayama sensei for example) and wants to belittle them.


But at least I'm happy that Oda is now desperately trying to retcon BM in the Wano arc. He presents her as a threat/power of the same level as Kaido (she deserve that, I always find her very strong despite the end of WCI).

I'm mixed about this arc, it's clearly not as good as legendary arcs (Shabondy, W7, EL...) but so much better than shitty things like FI, PH and perhaps even Dressrosa (only post timeskip arcs...eh ?).

I'm nice, I put 7/10 cuz I love the BMP.

 

[mad monk]

I still remember how Tea Party was hyped up since Fishman Island. They said a lot of NW monsters would attend the party and no one dare to not coming to when they are invited then we've got UnderWork Breaker (Monster??? Lol) which were even never relevant lmao

 

[Owl Ki]

I didnt like how BM.was treated after tea party

I wanted to like Big Mom, I really did. The idea of a super powerful, smart, berserker Granny that was an antagonist actually wanted to do some good in the world was good. I liked the initial concept.

Oda then ruined her piece by piece throughout the arc.

But apart from that, it had great topics to discuss lol
The threat is higher than wano lol
Udon is a summer camp
I expected nothing from wano but the execution is making WCI second half seems outstanding.

Gonna be honest here, I have enjoyed more about WCI than I have Wano. Wano is the only arc that convinced me to stop reading weekly.

 

[ZoroGang]

Definitely the best arc in One Piece. Oda was really ambitious with this arc, and he truly delivered.

After dressrosa and zou, I stopped keeping up with series. I got back to it when whole cake island was done in the anime and the manga. I read, and rewatched the entirety of the arc, and I was blown away by this arc. It made fall in love with series all over again. Its truly something special, and I don't know how Oda managed to deliver the best arc in one piece 20 years into manga.

This thread explains my love for this arc
https://www.resetera.com/threads/on...o-sweet-so-rich-so-risky-arc-analysis.116921/

Omg 😂😂😂that shit was garbage

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I wanted to like Big Mom, I really did. The idea of a super powerful, smart, berserker Granny that was an antagonist actually wanted to do some good in the world was good. I liked the initial concept.

Oda then ruined her piece by piece throughout the arc.

Gonna be honest here, I have enjoyed more about WCI than I have Wano. Wano is the only arc that convinced me to stop reading weekly.

You a weirdo you wanna watch Sanji not do anything but bake cakes

 

[Owl Ki]

You a weirdo you wanna watch Sanji not do anything but bake cakes

No, I just dislike the painfully obvious “Feel sad for this useless character” bull in the form of Tama that was so heavy handed in it’s execution that it can count as assault, O-Kiku going from a badass woman to a useless woman to not even a woman, everything to do with Bakura Town, the entire Zoro vs Killer fight, Sanji chucking his morals out the window for a shiny gizmo and every single Linlin panel that doesn’t involve her drowning.

I haven’t even mentioned Udon yet.

WCI had a good start, Wano doesn’t even have that much.

 

[ZoroGang]

No, I just dislike the painfully obvious “Feel sad for this useless character” bull in the form of Tama that was so heavy handed in it’s execution that it can count as assault, O-Kiku going from a badass woman to a useless woman to not even a woman, everything to do with Bakura Town, the entire Zoro vs Killer fight, Sanji chucking his morals out the window for a shiny gizmo and every single Linlin panel that doesn’t involve her drowning.

I haven’t even mentioned Udon yet.

WCI had a good start, Wano doesn’t even have that much.

You realize all of those outside of wano panels are part of wano arc right? We got all the bounty’s we wanted to see in wano arc and the enma hype and luffy and zoro training montage was better then the whole wci to me

 

[Topi Jerami]

worst arc

Worst arc is either Fishman Island or Punk Hazard.

Fishman Island has garbage villain Hody Jones, the most uninteresting villain in OP so far imo. Far downgraded version of Arlong, character wise and design wise. Oda hyped Fishman Island several times but too bad Oda chose this place as the arc to show off the result of Straw Hats' 2 years training. Oda mentioned Fishman Dojo several times too but not even once this place was shown during the arc.

Punk Hazard also has garbage villain, that doesn't feel threatening in the slightest. And just like Dressrosa, the center of the problem is from someone completely new for the readers (Mocca, and Rebecca). Pretty sure most readers don't even care what's happening to Mocca and her drug addicted problem.