Sanjis the only person who’s been able to see through invisibility to date. King Queen Drake Hawkins Page One, all confirmed haki users failed to see through it so it’s pretty strong.
Oven has the strongest body of his entire family other than big mom according to the Vivre cards.
And Enels lightning speed was too much pre timeskip for everyone. And judging by Niji speed blitzed multiple ministers and haki users simultaneously, it’s still incredibly fast.
Calling them gimmicks just seems like you’re purposefully trying to downplay these powers which allowed Germa to fight nearly an entire Yonkou pirate crew.
I’ll give you page one but the rest had no reason to be on guard and using CoO at the time
I legitimately was not aware of that vivre card data so fair enough but within big mom’s family outside of herself, there’s no meaningful benchmark to compare it to. No one else in the family had stand out durability and we don’t even know if oven used haki to try to defend.
Honestly Niji blitzed a bunch of fodders but if you view that as impressive or incredibly powerful then be my guest, I personally do not.
I see where this is headed as I’ve been down this road several times in the last few days here. I’m not downplaying them at all, the technology just does not have amazing showings against competent fighters. Hax to me is something like gamma knife being able to one shot many high tiers who don’t have hax of their own to counter it or something like parasite which many characters who aren’t a ton weaker than doflamingo legitimately cannot deal with if they don’t have prior knowledge of his ability. Nothing Queen does falls under that classification for me personally. Anyways I didn’t really start a conversation to debate these things with you, I was simply curious about your terminology which you explained in your own words so once again, thank you for that.