Speculations Were Sanji and Marco no match for King and Queen?

[BleakAsh]

t was obviously set up for zoro sanji vs king queen. doesnt mean that at that point in the chapter, sanji was thinking that he's supposed to stall these two calamities.

until zoro recovered YES sanji was thinking of taking the both on alone or with marco but from the looks of it alone

where's your proof that king and queen just moved on?
the fodder could very well be asking sanji that question because he just rushed to him.
in the same panel you can see a huge distance in between king and queen and sanji.

i substantiated that they just moved on from the question that the samurai asked and now you're jumping to headcanons that the samurai JUST rushed to sanji and sanji has been laying down huffing for minutes according to you yea? well thats a reaaaccch ..to prove that he was there and sanji just got blown away you can literally see him huffing as if he JUST got blown away the question the samurai asks concerns what just happed and unironically sanji mentions that IT IS KINDA TOUGH FIGHTING THE 2 which is also used present tense and not depicting anyother tense indirectly

how does marco being down for the count mean sanji was fighting king & queen at the same time?
the last we saw sanji he was fighting hybrid queen. the next moment we see sanji, he's down on the floor. and queen's joined up with king incinerating everything there.

everything else that you talk about is speculation and headcanon.

Queen is astonished that marco is still alive just after fodders confirm that marco is at his limit just goes to say he was down for an indefinite period of time and sanji's statement about it beig tough to fight both commanders together complements it PERIOD nothing about this is headcanon im using obvious facts right infront of your eyes to prove what i'm saying.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

just ı talked about spoiler provider information. if he did wrote specifically zoro name , ı wouldnt say. that is all.

Lol common sense should of told u zoro was more of a threat than Chopper

 

[Finalbeta]

unfortunately zoro cannot grow 9999 arms but sanji can because he learned the okama way. once he becomes the okama queen, he will have 9999 arms and even lower body parts.

10K arms and still remain inferior to Zoro.

 

[Kurozumi Giggio]

Yea , Marco would loose against King because of the massive difference in durability

 

[Patryipe]

Queen was a non factor, King clearly did them in, he was the one fighting and Marco and base Sanji is already too much for Queen to handle

 

[RecoomeBoom]

Why would Sanji be knocked down if he wasn't fighting both? He was dodging Queen just fine, barely breaking a sweat. Queen has never been shown landing a hit on Sanji.

 

[mrtsrdr]

I share the same opinion.

I think some users were too shallow in their thought process (no offence implied) when it came to label King's power level next to Queen's. Evidence is suggesting the gap could make it a mid difficulty between the two eventually, which is not necessarily so astonishing. Some did not really realize King was likely King for also a power level reason.

 

[BillSlipton]

untrue. sanji didn't fight both of them. that's just your headcannon.
sanji and marco are shown down on the same page, so i don't know how you came up with marco getting defeated first.

Seemed heavily implied that marco was down and out while recovering so sanji had taken over for however long. Then eventually got knocked back.

When you tell someone they're wrong make sure you can read the panel correctly yourself

 

[Finalbeta]

So what's your opinion instead?

 

[MonsterKaido]

I think Vista would do it with a knife and slaughter King/Queen

Only in your dreams ; and zoan queen can shoot single laser attack which are easy to dodge

 

[Shasha23]

Why would Sanji be knocked down if he wasn't fighting both? He was dodging Queen just fine, barely breaking a sweat. Queen has never been shown landing a hit on Sanji.

So Marco was just watching the whole time?

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Seemed heavily implied that marco was down and out while recovering so sanji had taken over for however long. Then eventually got knocked back.

When you tell someone they're wrong make sure you can read the panel correctly yourself

The fodder that called out to Sanji and Marco implied the 2 of them cant hold out any longer, not that 1 is doing nothing while the other is fighting alone

 

[Human D Luffy]

Sanji fans: seeing sanji and marco both lying on the floor at the same time and sanji complaining fight both is very hard = implying sanji must have fought them both solo

Also Sanji fans: seeing sanji dressing up as an okama during TS and getting touched by 100 okamas but still believes he is not a okama

 

[sanjikun]

Prior to ZKK, Marco was the most overrated character in One Piece. But now it's going too far in the other direction.

Marco can block Kizaru's attacks, Akainu's attacks, Big Mom's attacks, but King somehow "overwhelms" him? A guy who is essentially the Wano Pica for Zoro? Do people have eyes?

Trying to powerscale Marco from this shit, is like trying to powerscale Luffy from the Enraged Army. A fruitless exercise.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Gotta bookmarked this thread real quick so I can debunk everything in one go. @Doggo @Arrow

 

[Fn Lucci]

Sanji and Marco were both in the mix and yet King and Queen were just fine before Zoro recovered

 

[MonsterKaido]

Prior to ZKK, Marco was the most overrated character in One Piece. But now it's going too far in the other direction.

Marco can block Kizaru's attacks, Akainu's attacks, Big Mom's attacks, but King somehow "overwhelms" him? A guy who is essentially the Wano Pica for Zoro? Do people have eyes?

Trying to powerscale Marco from this shit, is like trying to powerscale Luffy from the Enraged Army. A fruitless exercise.

King > Marco > Doflamingo :cheers:

 

[sanjikun]

King > Marco > Doflamingo :cheers:

Yeah we'll see at the end of Wano how it turns out

 

[BleakAsh]

So Marco was just watching the whole time?

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The fodder that called out to Sanji and Marco implied the 2 of them cant hold out any longer, not that 1 is doing nothing while the other is fighting alone

that just means marco was out for some time even Queen is shocked that he's still alive ..given the reaction they actually thought he was down ... and regarding the question that the fodder asks indicates that sanji just got blown away also why sanji uses present participle in his sentence and is huffing

 

[Shasha23]

that just means marco was out for some time even Queen is shocked that he's still alive ..given the reaction they actually thought he was down ... and regarding the question that the fodder asks indicates that sanji just got blown away also why sanji uses present participle in his sentence and is huffing

You clearly did hear those fodder call out to Marco and Sanji right.
Panel shows Marco and guy calls out to him, next panel shows us Sanji down and guy calls out to him, then we hear the fodder calling out to Marco and then another to Sanji while panicking who will stop King and Queen.

If Marco was down for a while then the fodder wouldn’t have asked him for help since he would have been down already for some time.
I mean the other fodder also calls out to Sanji the same way they called out to Marco, nothing about those 2 panels is different except the part Sanji says fighting the 2 calamities is difficult, which implies Marco and Sanji were fighting them before going down and King and Queen proceeding to attack all the traitors.

 

[BleakAsh]

You clearly did hear those fodder call out to Marco and Sanji right.
Panel shows Marco and guy calls out to him, next panel shows us Sanji down and guy calls out to him, then we hear the fodder calling out to Marco and then another to Sanji while panicking who will stop King and Queen.

the fodder only call out marco once and marco is already down and the fact that Queen is astonished that he's even alive proves that even more

then the panel switched to sanji who's huffing and fodder asks him if he's ok .. then sanji says " Fighting both of them together is kinda tough " again the present participle "fighting" refers to whats going on and the fact that he's huffing indicates that he just got blown away by the 2

f Marco was down for a while then the fodder wouldn’t have asked him for help since he would have been down already for some time.
I mean the other fodder also calls out to Sanji the same way they called out to Marco, nothing about those 2 panels is different except the part Sanji says fighting the 2 calamities is difficult, which implies Marco and Sanji were fighting them before going down and King and Queen proceeding to attack all the traitors.

the fact that one fodder says "WHERE IS MARCO" means that he had no idea what happend to him.. if he knew he was down he wouldn't call him.. which is exactly why the next samurai says that he's at his limits already meaning marco hasn't been doing anything about them commanders running a muck and frying fodders ..


there is a logical gap between marco's panel and sanji's panel thematically

Fodder: HE IS AT HIS LIMIT ALREADY

Sanji: CRAP FIGHTING BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER IS KINDA TOUGGH. (people say the "kuso" is somehting sanji says always which is a false interpretation of the context Kuso marimo = Shitty mosshead which is just a metaphor for insult , kussoooo=dammit or CRAP (which excalims how arduous doing something is , its just a matter of context)

what this means is sanji understands how hard it is to fight both of them since h just tried and got blown away.


already
/ɔːlˈrɛdi/

adverb
1.
before or by now or the time in question.


compared to the adverb that refers to "been some time" in context used here rather than exclaiming "he's at his limit already?!"

fighting in sanji's dialogue refers to present contemporary situation


Logically if marco and sanji fight both king and queen there is no doubt sanji and Macro will prevail... but in this context marco is at his limit already so sanji is doing the solo work here

henceforth, marco was down already and sanji had to take over and he fought but got thrown back , Queen is astonised that marco is healed up and alive meaning he wasn't just a moment ago..


what further proves that sanji fought both of them while marco was down and healing
is him approaching king when king was about to attack zoro's group ..if sanji knew marco was there up and ok why would he dash towards zoro? why not keep queen at bay ?