Chapter Discussion WGS title once again confirmed to be mainly ''SKILL'' based

[ConquistadoR]

And you realize けん is there to indicate the pronounication of it being swordsmanship

Nope. It is there for people to read that Kanji as "Ken".
It has nothing to do with whether that Kanji refers to Sword or Swordsmanship.

 

[GoldDiamond]

Nope. It is there for people to read that Kanji as "Ken".
It has nothing to do with whether that Kanji refers to Sword or Swordsmanship.

It can only be applied its relating to swordsmanship though

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Wtf lol Swordsmanship is literally not stated in that vivrecard.
Bro stay off that crack

Yeah, I made that point before. It never said they had equal swordsmanship nor strength, just that they had an equal clash (referring to that scuffle where Mihawk clearly held back). That same Vivre Card outright implies Vista knows Mihawk is significantly stronger than him.

 

[GoldDiamond]

Yeah, I made that point before. It never said they had equal swordsmanship nor strength, just that they had an equal clash (referring to that scuffle where Mihawk clearly held back). That same Vivre Card outright implies Vista knows Mihawk is significantly stronger than him.

The guy was translating blue deep not vivre card, vc only said he wasn’t afraid of the wss, but it did say he has equal swordsmanship

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

The guy was translating blue deep not vivre card, vc only said he wasn’t afraid of the wss, but it did say he has equal swordsmanship

Vivre Card said he rushed into Mihawk despite knowing how powerful he is, which implies he knows Mihawk is significantly stronger.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

The guy was translating blue deep not vivre card, vc only said he wasn’t afraid of the wss, but it did say he has equal swordsmanship

Post the vivrecard that

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

So everybody agree that.

Zoro>Law swordsmanship.
Law>Zoro on strenght?.

Law is a swordsman with DF.
Fujitora is a Swordsman with DF.

Somes swordsman in One Piece Doesn't has only Swords to fight, or uses Swords as complement of his fighting style.
Like BM,WB and King.
Somes are pure Swordsman like,Zoro,Oden,Mihawk,Rayleigh and Vista.
And theres somes are example of Swordsman who has soemthing to complement his Swordsmanship.
Like Law and Fujitora.

Shanks can be Pure swordsman like Mihawk, Can be like Law.

But one thing is clear while Mihawk is hyped about his Swords, Shanks is in his Haki.

 

[Halyup]

So everybody agree that.

Zoro>Law swordsmanship.
Law>Zoro on strenght?.

Law is a swordsman with DF.
Fujitora is a Swordsman with DF.

Somes swordsman in One Piece Doesn't has only Swords to fight, or uses Swords as complement of his fighting style.
Like BM,WB and King.
Somes are pure Swordsman like,Zoro,Oden,Mihawk,Rayleigh and Vista.
And theres somes are example of Swordsman who has soemthing to complement his Swordsmanship.
Like Law and Fujitora.

Shanks can be Pure swordsman like Mihawk, Can be like Law.

But one thing is clear while Mihawk is hyped about his Swords, Shanks is in his Haki.

Zoro is stronger than law

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

So everybody agree that.

Zoro>Law swordsmanship.
Law>Zoro on strenght?.

Law is a swordsman with DF.
Fujitora is a Swordsman with DF.

Somes swordsman in One Piece Doesn't has only Swords to fight, or uses Swords as complement of his fighting style.
Like BM,WB and King.
Somes are pure Swordsman like,Zoro,Oden,Mihawk,Rayleigh and Vista.
And theres somes are example of Swordsman who has soemthing to complement his Swordsmanship.
Like Law and Fujitora.

Shanks can be Pure swordsman like Mihawk, Can be like Law.

But one thing is clear while Mihawk is hyped about his Swords, Shanks is in his Haki.

Nobody agree with that BS except for fanboiz with copium overdose like you

 

[Shanal]

So everybody agree that.

Zoro>Law swordsmanship.
Law>Zoro on strenght?.

Law is a swordsman with DF.
Fujitora is a Swordsman with DF.

Somes swordsman in One Piece Doesn't has only Swords to fight, or uses Swords as complement of his fighting style.
Like BM,WB and King.
Somes are pure Swordsman like,Zoro,Oden,Mihawk,Rayleigh and Vista.
And theres somes are example of Swordsman who has soemthing to complement his Swordsmanship.
Like Law and Fujitora.

Shanks can be Pure swordsman like Mihawk, Can be like Law.

But one thing is clear while Mihawk is hyped about his Swords, Shanks is in his Haki.

Fujitora isn't even swordsman and Zoro is above Law overall in a direct combat. Law thrives most when he has distractions- there's a reason why almost every single attack he had on BM or Kaido was sneak attack.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

But one thing is clear while Mihawk is hyped about his Swords, Shanks is in his Haki.

Haki is NOT a fighting style. Haki is PART of swordsmanship. If Shanks and Mihawk's fighting styles strictly revolve around swordsmanship and Shanks has better Haki, Shanks is the better swordsman.

 

[uyuu]

So everybody agree that.

Zoro>Law swordsmanship.
Law>Zoro on strenght?.

Law is a swordsman with DF.
Fujitora is a Swordsman with DF.

Somes swordsman in One Piece Doesn't has only Swords to fight, or uses Swords as complement of his fighting style.
Like BM,WB and King.
Somes are pure Swordsman like,Zoro,Oden,Mihawk,Rayleigh and Vista.
And theres somes are example of Swordsman who has soemthing to complement his Swordsmanship.
Like Law and Fujitora.

Shanks can be Pure swordsman like Mihawk, Can be like Law.

But one thing is clear while Mihawk is hyped about his Swords, Shanks is in his Haki.

Maybe not everybody but my view about Shanks and Mihawk is like this even since pre-TS. Imo Shanks uses his CoC as his main weapon/power just like Law uses his DF as his main power, while the sword is the channeling device or support but not the main stuff.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Maybe not everybody but my view about Shanks and Mihawk is like this even since pre-TS. Imo Shanks uses his CoC as his main weapon/power just like Law uses his DF as his main power, while the sword is the channeling device or support but not the main stuff.

Channeling CoC into a sword is still swordsmanship.

 

[uyuu]

Channeling CoC into a sword is still swordsmanship.

Not if the haki is more powerful and cause the main damage more than the swordsmanship itself.

Okay if i accept your statement, so Kaidou actually used his kanabo in his final attack and his actual title is the world strongest kanaboman, and Shanks used swordsmanship to revert Greenbull's tree form. Kaidou also actually said Roger is at the peak because swordsmanship transcends all.

...but those stuff didnt actually happened did they. Kaidou considers haki to be more important than swordsmanship or kanabomanship or any weapon-ship, so your argument about this can be countered by using specific points in the manga.

 

[Kiri]

If you look at the two equidistant points of a shanks-tards brain you will find that thematically, and fundamentally in regards to altruism as well as shrewdness, that they are retarded

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Not if the haki is more powerful and cause the main damage more than the swordsmanship itself.

No, the Haki makes the swordsmanship more powerful. It is STILL swordsmanship if you boost it with Haki. It's like saying Zoro never proved better swordsmanship to previous opponents because his physical strength did most of the work.

Okay if i accept your statement, so Kaidou actually used his kanabo in his final attack and his actual title is the world strongest kanaboman, and Shanks used swordsmanship to revert Greenbull's tree form. Kaidou also actually said Roger is at the peak because swordsmanship transcends all.

Your logic here is a mess.

(1) Kaido has attacks outside of the kanabou, and they're not related to Haki whatsoever.
(2) Neither Kaido nor Roger not having titles about their fighting style DOESN'T change the fact they WERE at the peak of it. They don't have those titles because they're not the highlight of their accomplishments.
(3) Shanks shutting off Ryokugyu's DF is a byproduct of his broke CoC, and if Shanks's Haki is that broke, then Mihawk needs broke CoC or whatever will compensate (he forged a black blade) in order to stand to what would be broke swordsmanship.

Kaidou considers haki to be more important than swordsmanship or kanabomanship or any weapon-ship, so your argument about this can be countered by using specific points in the manga.

Let me walk you through it again: Haki. Is. Not. A. Fighting. Style. It. Enhances. A. Fighting. Style. Like. How. Physical. Strength. Enhances. A. Fighting. Style.

 

[uyuu]

No, the Haki makes the swordsmanship more powerful. It is STILL swordsmanship if you boost it with Haki. It's like saying Zoro never proved better swordsmanship to previous opponents because his physical strength did most of the work.



Your logic here is a mess.

(1) Kaido has attacks outside of the kanabou, and they're not related to Haki whatsoever.
(2) Neither Kaido nor Roger not having titles about their fighting style DOESN'T change the fact they WERE at the peak of it. They don't have those titles because they're not the highlight of their accomplishments.
(3) Shanks shutting off Ryokugyu's DF is a byproduct of his broke CoC, and if Shanks's Haki is that broke, then Mihawk needs broke CoC or whatever will compensate (he forged a black blade) in order to stand to what would be broke swordsmanship.



Let me walk you through it again: Haki. Is. Not. A. Fighting. Style. It. Enhances. A. Fighting. Style. Like. How. Physical. Strength. Enhances. A. Fighting. Style.

Well no, anyone can always say the swordsmanship boost haki. And Kaidou chose to pick Roger's haki not him being a swordsman just signify the importance of Roger's haki to Kaidou even compared to his own swordsmanship. Both Roger and Shanks are swordsmen, that doesn't change that haki is their ultimate power or weapon even compared to their strength as swordsmen.

If you say haki is not a fighting style, Shanks must be unable to cause any damage using his haki alone. He can't do CoC infusion since CoC infusion can be applied without any sword at all, and whether or not he use his sword to enhance his CoC infusion doesn't matter, since he can still use his CoC independently. Shanks is also forbidden to affect Greenbull's DF if it's without Gryphon. Which doesnt make sense. So no, haki is not a fighting style is purely your assumption.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

Well no, anyone can always say the swordsmanship boost haki.

That's like saying swordsmanship enhances physical strength; at the end of the day, it's STILL swordsmanship.

And Kaidou chose to pick Roger's haki

And Roger's fighting style is still swordsmanship. Garp's fighting style is still brawling. Luffy's fighting style is still brawling with Devil Fruit abilities. Haki is an enhancer.

Shanks is also forbidden to affect Greenbull's DF if it's without Gryphon.

Already debunked this in a previous reply.

So no, haki is not a fighting style is purely your assumption.

It's not my assumption, it's literally what the manga shows. No one gets new fighting styles because of Haki, it just amplifies the ones they've had since the beginning. Luffy still fights the way he does since the beginning of the series.

 

[Pringles]

If you look at the two equidistant points of a shanks-tards brain you will find that thematically, and fundamentally in regards to altruism as well as shrewdness, that they are retarded

@TheAncientCenturion

 

[uyuu]

That's like saying swordsmanship enhances physical strength; at the end of the day, it's STILL swordsmanship.



And Roger's fighting style is still swordsmanship. Garp's fighting style is still brawling. Luffy's fighting style is still brawling with Devil Fruit abilities. Haki is an enhancer.



Already debunked this in a previous reply.



It's not my assumption, it's literally what the manga shows. No one gets new fighting styles because of Haki, it just amplifies the ones they've had since the beginning. Luffy still fights the way he does since the beginning of the series.

Your conclusion dont have the ability to debunk people's conclusion. Shanks doesnt have to use a sword to use his CoA or CoC infusion to beat people up. He can use his sword, his dick, the air around him, his shoulder blow, whatever. He didnt need his sword and Greenbull's power is deactivated. So its independent power. Nothing you say about Roger's style is swordsmanship change that Roger is also a better haki user than he is a swordsman according to Kaidou. To make haki just an enhancement, Shanks must not be able to use haki without his sword like his warning to Greenbull. He must not be able to use CoC infusion which is an independent power to beat people up. He must not be able to send haki projectiles like in film Red. Which is why your statement of haki unable to be its own power, is your own wishful thinking about it.