Character Discussion What is Kuzan's Game now?

[ConquistadoR]

When we were introduced to Kuzan in the post timeskip at chapter 0699, Doflamingo asked Kuzan the question we all wanted to ask - what's Kuzan's Game now?

Oda even used Doflamingo to tell us that Kuzan isn't an aimless man.

"The face of a mere wanderer and that of a man with determination... they're quite different"

The popular belief among the fandom was that he was the secret captain of SWORD and he infiltrated Blackbeard's crew to undermine them down from the inside (like X Drake & Beast Pirates) but the latest chapters clearly established that

(1) SWORD is a well-known Marine organization and

(2) Kuzan isn't part of them, considering how he's fighting Garp.

The question of Kuzan being a Marine still has (almost) been put to rest.

The titular question though, is again posed even this chapter - through Blackbeard.

Kuzan clearly has some inner motivation for what he's working with the Blackbeard Pirates as the Tenth Titanic Captain.

Another important incident that shapes who Kuzan is, is the Ohara incident. We're again shown that Kuzan remembers it as a sad memory this chapter.

And again & again, we are being reminded that what the World Govt. has in store for Egghead is a fate worse than what Ohara suffered.

If Egghead turns out to be another Ohara-esque incident of mass destruction & censorship by the Government, i am sure that it will impact Kuzan's motivations & actions in the future, to make him take up fate into his own hands again, as he said.

So what exactly is Kuzan working to achieve? What would his future role be in the series?

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Personally, Kuzan seems set up to be one of the most interesting characters Oda has ever written.
Some traits I find common among complex & memorable characters are is that they are written to be going through circumstances which place them at both end of the spectrum of the World. This allows for Oda to show complex themes & ideals through the said character.

For example, take Doflamingo, a former Celestial Dragon who, by circumstances, was forced to relinquish his position and climb the ranks of Piracy which was juxtaposed beautifully with his younger Brother Rocinante becoming a Marine to stop Doflamingo.

A former high ranking Marine who left them due to his refusal to work under an extremist agenda (embodied by Fleet Admiral Sakazuki) and who is now working with Marshall D. Teach, an Emperor of the Seas, to pursue his own goals is a very similar set up & has huge potential.

Hopefully Oda pulls through with it.



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[Formerly Seth]

When we were introduced to Kuzan in the post timeskip at chapter 0699, Doflamingo asked Kuzan the question we all wanted to ask - what's Kuzan's Game now?

Oda even used Doflamingo to tell us that Kuzan isn't an aimless man.

"The fact of a mere wanderer and that of a man with determination... they're quite different"

The popular belief among the fandom was that he was the secret captain of SWORD and he infiltrated Blackbeard's crew to undermine them down from the inside (like X Drake & Beast Pirates) but the latest chapters clearly established that

(1) SWORD is a well-known Marine organization and

(2) Kuzan isn't part of them, considering how he's fighting Garp.

The question of Kuzan being a Marine still has (almost) been put to rest.

The titular question though, is again posed even this chapter - through Blackbeard.

Kuzan clearly has some inner motivation for what he's working with the Blackbeard Pirates as the Tenth Titanic Captain.

Another important incident that shapes who Kuzan is, is the Ohara incident. We're again shown that Kuzan remembers it as a sad memory this chapter.

And again & again, we are being reminded that what the World Govt. has in store for Egghead is a fate worse than what Ohara suffered.

If Egghead turns out to be another Ohara-esque incident of mass destruction & censorship by the Government, i am sure that it will impact Kuzan's motivations & actions in the future, to make him take up fate into his own hands again, as he said.

So what exactly is Kuzan working to achieve? What would his future role be in the series?

--------------------------------------------

Personally, Kuzan seems set up to be one of the most interesting characters Oda has ever written.
Some traits I find common among complex & memorable characters are is that they are written to be going through circumstances which place them at both end of the spectrum of the World. This allows for Oda to show complex themes & ideals through the said character.

For example, take Doflamingo, a former Celestial Dragon who, by circumstances, was forced to relinquish his position and climb the ranks of Piracy which was juxtaposed beautifully with his younger Brother Rocinante becoming a Marine to stop Doflamingo.

A former high ranking Marine who got left them due to his refusal to work under an extremist agenda (embodied by Fleet Admiral Sakazuki) and who is now working with Marshall D. Teach, an Emperor of the Seas, to pursue his own goals is a very similar set up & has huge potential.

Hopefully Oda pulls through with it.



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I think Oda won't surprise us too much with this so I say he is indeed a double agent but doesn't mind going thru a process of gaining experience in a completely different field of work than what he did up until now which was being a Marine.

Maybe he is interested in why the Pirates want to reach Laugh tale so badly and why WG wants to prevent that from happening. Like what is the purpose and shit.

 

[ConquistadoR]

I think Oda won't surprise us too much with this so I say he is indeed a double agent but doesn't mind going thru a process of gaining experience in a completely different field of work than what he did up until now which was being a Marine.

Maybe he is interested in why the Pirates want to reach Laugh tale so badly and why WG wants to prevent that from happening. Like what is the purpose and shit.

Personally, i don't buy the "Secret Marine" theory anymore since i think it's pretty clear that Kuzan is a powerful third party just working with BB for now.

An interest in Laugh Tale or history might also be possible, since Ohara was burned for researching about History. Either way, i do believe Oda can write Kuzan as a stellar character, but whether he will do so is still up in the air.

 

[GUI VI]

I thought that Kuzan was just with the BBP as an infiltrator gathering information about Teach's plans.

but after this chapter, I think things might not be like that, maybe Kuzan really did succumb to the pirates.......or maybe he did have your own intentions that are not linked to Navy/Sword.

 

[Formerly Seth]

An interest in Laugh Tale or history might also be possible, since Ohara was burned for researching about History. Either way, i do believe Oda can write Kuzan as a stellar character, but whether he will do so is still up in the air.

Yeah, that's why I will stick with this theory probably.

Personally, i don't buy the "Secret Marine" theory anymore since i think it's pretty clear that Kuzan is a powerful third party just working with BB for now.

About this.


I'm not sold on Kuzan having a change of heart so easily after being defeated. Especially since Akainu sparred his life. Something is sticky here. WG is not making too much of a fuss about the fact of Kuzan switching to becoming a pirate. You'd imagine they'd be on suicide watch from losing an Admiral.

I know they added two in his place but they don't strike me as strong as the OG trio, that's first + losing a Top Tier should not be treated so lightly.

They probably don't bother about him too much since they know his mission there.

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

I think Kuzan is like double agent /spy and wonder what one piece is about and why world government want to hide it.

‘I mean how Akainu know law and Blackbeard are fighting so suddenly? I think Kuzan told Akainu or other marine about Blackbeard and law battle on new world .

It is no secret gorsei want keep information hidden from highest Marine ranking .

Gorsei act dumb when Akainu question about mysterious higher up ordering gorsei around it.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Personally, i don't buy the "Secret Marine" theory anymore since i think it's pretty clear that Kuzan is a powerful third party just working with BB for now.

An interest in Laugh Tale or history might also be possible, since Ohara was burned for researching about History. Either way, i do believe Oda can write Kuzan as a stellar character, but whether he will do so is still up in the air.

Excellent thread. It was mentioned in the sbs that if Teach existed in real life, he would be an archeologist, which I think implies that he's interested in the true history of the void century


Kuzan may have gone with Teach because he believes that Teach will be the one who will learn the true history.


It's possible Kuzan may have some kind of hidden allegiance to Sengoku or some other marine imo

 

[GUI VI]

@Seth @ConquistadoR
I think it would be really interesting to see an ex-admiral become a pirate for good.

That would add depth to Kuzan's character. A discredited Navy sailor succumbing to pirates.

 

[Red Admiral]

still a good guy

even if Kuzan rape and kill garp and eat his dead body ... it's all a plan ... he is a good guy

 

[Formerly Seth]

@Seth @ConquistadoR
I think it would be really interesting to see an ex-admiral become a pirate for good.

That would add depth to Kuzan's character. A discredited Navy sailor succumbing to pirates.

Oh, of course. I would love this too.

A double agent is so fucking boring and abused troupe. Seeing Kuzan being a pirate for real is far more interesting, although as I mentioned above.

WG is not making too much of a fuss about it. Which you think they should.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Excellent thread. It was mentioned in the sbs that if Teach existed in real life, he would be an archeologist, which I think implies that he's interested in the true history of the void century


Kuzan may have gone with Teach because he believes that Teach will be the one who will learn the true history.


It's possible Kuzan may have some kind of hidden allegiance to Sengoku or some other marine imo

Very possible. Since finding the History is what put Ohara in WG's CrossHairs to begin with.

@Seth @ConquistadoR
I think it would be really interesting to see an ex-admiral become a pirate for good.

That would add depth to Kuzan's character. A discredited Navy sailor succumbing to pirates.

It would be interesting yes, but i think Oda has Kuzan set up as a "good Marine" who cares for the people.

He was even introduced helping Tonjit. I dont believe his character arc will end with him being just another pirate, taken down when Luffy & co. fight Blackbeard & co.

 

[JayKitetsu]

It’s hard to say really, but if I had to guess I’d say that he’s looking to change the world through his way of justice and that justice will be realized by him through his relationship through the BB pirates.

When Garp demanded that he returned that told me that Garp’s way of thinking was strictly believing that you can only have a positive impact on society as a marine. Maybe he sees shades of Dragon in Aokiji as well. Aokiji is finding his way through the other end of the spectrum.

He was a pretty chill but he vehemently disagreed with Akainu being the FA. I think after his loss it widened his perspective and he wants to find a way that triumphs Akainu’s way of thinking through his own methods. I’m not sure how he’ll go about it but that’s the vibes I get from him.

 

[GUI VI]

It would be interesting yes, but i think Oda has Kuzan set up as a "good Marine" who cares for the people.

Fuji:

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

I think it's possible that atm, Kuzan is "loyal" to some extent to Teach, but a future event will lead to them falling out.

I think we can rule out the theory that he and Sakazuki were working together. Kuzan definitely hates the guy too much as seen in the backstory.

Oh, of course. I would love this too.

A double agent is so fucking boring and abused troupe. Seeing Kuzan being a pirate for real is far more interesting, although as I mentioned above.

WG is not making too much of a fuss about it. Which you think they should.

this is the same government that covered up the level 6 prisoners escaping, remember. Covering it up because it would hurt their reputation is pretty in character for them.

Imo, it would be interesting if Oda gave Kuzan some connections to the Revolutionary Army, though he presumably participated in the fight between the BBPs and the RA>

 

[Formerly Seth]

Imo, it would be interesting if Oda gave Kuzan some connections to the Revolutionary Army

Oh, nah nah nah bro. I mean if you like it good for you.

Kuzan being a Revo or double agent for WG is the lamest and most boring choice Oda can go for.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

He was even introduced helping Tonjit. I dont believe his character arc will end with him being just another pirate, taken down when Luffy & co. fight Blackbeard & co.

Absolutely. That's why I get so perplexed when people talk about Zoro/Sanji/Yamato/Law/whoever taking him down as if he'll be just another arc opponent like the other BBPS.

I feel like Pre Time Skip, Oda had the intention of making him the EOS Fleet Admiral, but now I feel like Oda's going to make Issho the EOS Fleet Admiral, and Kuzan's story will have a more tragic ending.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Kuzan beats Magma brat at EoS and becomes the new fleet admiral, you heard it here first!

 

[ConquistadoR]

Fuji:

Fujitora as well, yes.

Difference being Fujitora now represents Good from the inside of the organization while Kuzan is out, he is "free" to pursue his own goals as Blackbeard says. But what those goals are, is still a mystery.

 

[GUI VI]

I feel like Pre Time Skip, Oda had the intention of making him the EOS Fleet Admiral, but now I feel like Oda's going to make Issho the EOS Fleet Admiral, and Kuzan's story will have a more tragic ending.

But.....but....Koby????

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

I think Kuzan is ultimately a guy who believes in justice but was left broken by Ohara events. I always thought that he will die trying to atone for it even if I don’t know how
The way he talked about Robin makes me certain there’s no way he would seriously try destroy the place (Straw Hats) where she finally found happiness though. So while I don’t think he’s a spy I think Blackbeard or his men will do something heinous enough to make him reconsider his choice.