Speculations What is Oda cooking with Cross Guild?
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The thing is with the match ups you gave us, the only interesting ones are for Zoro and Nami. The rest gets stomped by current Straw Hats, let alone EOS Straw Hats.
I'm not sure Oda has any particular plan for them, it's just characters that he likes and he wants to keep them in the story just in case, so he created Cross Guild.
I'm not sure Oda has any particular plan for them, it's just characters that he likes and he wants to keep them in the story just in case, so he created Cross Guild.
The only way the match ups could become interesting is if Oda keeps adding former warlords to the CG's ranks for each Straw Hat to fight. Otherwise yeah, it ain't looking so hot, especially since most in Buggy's crew are still East Blue fodder. I mean Weevil isn't even a part of CG yet, but he's on nik's list and many seem to agree that Cross Guild will become a refuge for most of the warlords in due to time.
Representative of Fame is Usopp, not Luffy
Meaning Mihawk, Crocodile & Buggy ---> Are Zoro, Nami & Usopp of the Crew
Oda isn't Introducing their Luffy yet who is Power, Wealth & Fame Combined
Oda is basically showing us that Neither of those Three is Supreme Leader of Cross Guild
Cuz Buggy's Fame allows him to Lead, Mihawk's Power allows him to Enforce Leadership & Crocodile's Wealth allows him to Buy it
But Supreme Leader Spot is still Vacant
Think of Final Villain as another Kaidou
Mihawk is his Big Mom, Buggy is his Orochi & Crocodile is his Doflamingo
The reason Oda introduced these Three before Final Villain is because They need to Catch-Up to him
Cuz Final Villain will endanger entire World, so those Three must become Top at what They do
Imo Crocodile will Succeed in his Dream (That's why Oda is Insisting on it)
Buggy will become known as King of The World (That's why He is a Clown, He is Inspired by Wizard of Oz)
Mihawk will show his Power to The World (So that They fully grasp Zoro's Achievement at the End)
Basically this Saga gonna be about Blackbeard, Shanks, Dragon, Mary Geoise, Akainu & Marines ... etc
While Cross Guild gonna be Secondary Characters, but when the Conflict is Over, They are the ones who are gonna be Biggest Winners
This is why First Chapter of Final Saga was about Cross Guild, and later on Buggy suggested that They can reach Greatness Indirectly
Meaning Mihawk, Crocodile & Buggy ---> Are Zoro, Nami & Usopp of the Crew
Oda isn't Introducing their Luffy yet who is Power, Wealth & Fame Combined
Oda is basically showing us that Neither of those Three is Supreme Leader of Cross Guild
Cuz Buggy's Fame allows him to Lead, Mihawk's Power allows him to Enforce Leadership & Crocodile's Wealth allows him to Buy it
But Supreme Leader Spot is still Vacant
Think of Final Villain as another Kaidou
Mihawk is his Big Mom, Buggy is his Orochi & Crocodile is his Doflamingo
The reason Oda introduced these Three before Final Villain is because They need to Catch-Up to him
Cuz Final Villain will endanger entire World, so those Three must become Top at what They do
Imo Crocodile will Succeed in his Dream (That's why Oda is Insisting on it)
Buggy will become known as King of The World (That's why He is a Clown, He is Inspired by Wizard of Oz)
Mihawk will show his Power to The World (So that They fully grasp Zoro's Achievement at the End)
Basically this Saga gonna be about Blackbeard, Shanks, Dragon, Mary Geoise, Akainu & Marines ... etc
While Cross Guild gonna be Secondary Characters, but when the Conflict is Over, They are the ones who are gonna be Biggest Winners
This is why First Chapter of Final Saga was about Cross Guild, and later on Buggy suggested that They can reach Greatness Indirectly
Well so far we have Gecko Moria, who is locked up at Blackbeard's, but it looks like Perona plans to rescue him which could lead to taking him to her pal Mihawk, and then you'd have both Moria and Perona in Cross Guild (paralleling Croc and 1).
Then there's Doflamingo and possibly one of his officers, maybe Pica or Lao G (to parallel Croc and 1) assuming he escapes government custody somehow and goes into hiding with Cross Guild.
Then there's Weevil if Buckin decides to join Cross Guild after he's rescued, and if Buckin has a secret vampire ability like Stussy too, then maybe she might also count.
And with Gecko Moria's power, they could use it to make zombies out of Ace (a warlord candidate), although they may not touch Whitebeard's corpse if Weevil is against it.
With that you'd have 3 new warlords and a decent 3 new additions to even the numbers. Moria, Doffy, Weevil, Perona, Pica(?) and Zombie Ace. And maybe Zombie Whitebeard too if they decide to go against Buckin and Weevil's wishes in secret.
Hancock would never betray Luffy but there is a chance she could get manipulated against her will somehow.
Then there's Doflamingo and possibly one of his officers, maybe Pica or Lao G (to parallel Croc and 1) assuming he escapes government custody somehow and goes into hiding with Cross Guild.
Then there's Weevil if Buckin decides to join Cross Guild after he's rescued, and if Buckin has a secret vampire ability like Stussy too, then maybe she might also count.
And with Gecko Moria's power, they could use it to make zombies out of Ace (a warlord candidate), although they may not touch Whitebeard's corpse if Weevil is against it.
With that you'd have 3 new warlords and a decent 3 new additions to even the numbers. Moria, Doffy, Weevil, Perona, Pica(?) and Zombie Ace. And maybe Zombie Whitebeard too if they decide to go against Buckin and Weevil's wishes in secret.
Hancock would never betray Luffy but there is a chance she could get manipulated against her will somehow.
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I would disagree on this considering that Oda said that triggers have gathered when Luffy, Zoro and Nami ganged up.
And Buggy is constantly falling upwards, I dont think he will end up under anyone.
As I said, idk under what context the match-ups would play out.
Maybe Luffy vs Buggy is a special condition fight considering the different types of damage immunity they have.
For example, Buggy challenges Luffy to a sword fight. Buggy is immune to it while it is Luffy's weakness...
And just like that Luffy is on the back foot since Buggy cannot be beaten by a sword.
Also I doubt all others get stomped. Especially Mr1. Even Alvida is perfect counter to Robin's abilities.
Usopp would have his hands full with Mr3. Only Chopper could stomp Richie but Oda would obviously make it challenging if it happens.
Overall, I think all those guys are able to pull their weight, one way or another, if they are blessed by match-up.
And Buggy is constantly falling upwards, I dont think he will end up under anyone.
As I said, idk under what context the match-ups would play out.
Maybe Luffy vs Buggy is a special condition fight considering the different types of damage immunity they have.
For example, Buggy challenges Luffy to a sword fight. Buggy is immune to it while it is Luffy's weakness...
And just like that Luffy is on the back foot since Buggy cannot be beaten by a sword.
Also I doubt all others get stomped. Especially Mr1. Even Alvida is perfect counter to Robin's abilities.
Usopp would have his hands full with Mr3. Only Chopper could stomp Richie but Oda would obviously make it challenging if it happens.
Overall, I think all those guys are able to pull their weight, one way or another, if they are blessed by match-up.
If no new guys join CG, then the best way to go about it is to maybe give Richie, Cabaji and Mohji their own interesting devil fruits that would perfectly counter their respective Straw Hat opponents. Richie having a hito hito fruit that turns him into a giant, fishman or some other legendary race would be pretty neat too.
Yes, they can always power-up in the meantime.
The only new guy that will join would be Weevil, imo.
Only he has a future purpose and is moved to ID conveniently.
That is also a very likely target for Cross Guild.
Buggy and Crocodile know the prison inside-out.
With Mihawk's power backing them, they can raid it and free Weevil.
The only new guy that will join would be Weevil, imo.
Only he has a future purpose and is moved to ID conveniently.
That is also a very likely target for Cross Guild.
Buggy and Crocodile know the prison inside-out.
With Mihawk's power backing them, they can raid it and free Weevil.
Nah I'm not buying these match ups. Besides Buggy isn't completely immune to swords, if you apply haki on it, he will take damage.
Sanji stomps Mr1, he is nothing special for post TS character even with a power boost.
Robin has some techniques that can counter Alvida df.
Aside from Mihawk vs Zoro, none of the fights are really engaging to me.
Sanji stomps Mr1, he is nothing special for post TS character even with a power boost.
Robin has some techniques that can counter Alvida df.
Aside from Mihawk vs Zoro, none of the fights are really engaging to me.
Start of One Piece was Clear
Pirate King was Described as Power, Wealth & Fame
Luffy's Journey started with a Whirlpool, what happened after?
He met Power-Obsessed Zoro & Fought Power-Obsessed Morgan
He met Wealth-Obsessed Nami & Fought Wealth-Obsessed Buggy
He met Fame-Obsessed Usopp & Fought Fame-Obsessed Kuro
What happened after He was done with these these Three?
He received Going Merry (Which represented OP Ending)
So when it comes to Power, Wealth & Fame, it has always been about Zoro, Nami & Usopp
But what you're talking about is something else, cuz what happened when Luffy recruited Only Zoro & Nami?
They reached Gaimon's Treasure Island
One Piece Ending is gonna exactly the same
Meaning there's gonna be a Power-Themed War, a Wealth-Themed War and a Fame-Themed War
And Luffy must Defeat Final Power Villain, Final Wealth Villain & Final Fame Villain
Basically EOS Versions of Morgan, Buggy & Kuro
They are obviously Wano Villain (Kaidou), Mary Geoise Villain (Blackbeard) and Elbaf Villain (Final Villain)
Once Luffy is Done with Kaidou War & Blackbeard War (He achieved Power & Wealth alongside Zoro & Nami)
This Main Trio gonna show us their Role as Triggers of One Piece (EOS Version of Gaimon Chapter)
But then, there's gonna be One Last War that SHs must Deal with
And you can go check before Wano, how did that Arc start for Luffy? Wasn't He sucked into a Whirlpool?
Cuz it marks the Beginning of Final wars
Momo for example was like Kaidou's Koby
Imu is gonna be Blackbeard's Chouchou
Mother Frame is gonna become Blackbeard's Muggy Ball
Mary Geoise National Treasure gonna be Blackbeard's Version of Treasure Map that Buggy had
... etc
Luffy always had Three Goals:
1. Become as Great as Shanks (Chapter 1 Promise)
2. Become as Great as Roger (Pirate King Title)
3. Become as Great as Joy Boy (Secret Dream)
Luffy + Zoro = First Goal
Luffy + Zoro + Nami = Second Goal
Luffy + Zoro + Nami + Usopp = Third Goal
First Goal was Presented as Formation of SH Crew (After Morgan was Defeated)
Second Goal was Presented as Gaimon Treasure Island (After Buggy was Defeated)
Third Goal was Presented as Going Merry (After Kuro was Defeated)
Pirate King was Described as Power, Wealth & Fame
Luffy's Journey started with a Whirlpool, what happened after?
He met Power-Obsessed Zoro & Fought Power-Obsessed Morgan
He met Wealth-Obsessed Nami & Fought Wealth-Obsessed Buggy
He met Fame-Obsessed Usopp & Fought Fame-Obsessed Kuro
What happened after He was done with these these Three?
He received Going Merry (Which represented OP Ending)
So when it comes to Power, Wealth & Fame, it has always been about Zoro, Nami & Usopp
But what you're talking about is something else, cuz what happened when Luffy recruited Only Zoro & Nami?
They reached Gaimon's Treasure Island
One Piece Ending is gonna exactly the same
Meaning there's gonna be a Power-Themed War, a Wealth-Themed War and a Fame-Themed War
And Luffy must Defeat Final Power Villain, Final Wealth Villain & Final Fame Villain
Basically EOS Versions of Morgan, Buggy & Kuro
They are obviously Wano Villain (Kaidou), Mary Geoise Villain (Blackbeard) and Elbaf Villain (Final Villain)
Once Luffy is Done with Kaidou War & Blackbeard War (He achieved Power & Wealth alongside Zoro & Nami)
This Main Trio gonna show us their Role as Triggers of One Piece (EOS Version of Gaimon Chapter)
But then, there's gonna be One Last War that SHs must Deal with
And you can go check before Wano, how did that Arc start for Luffy? Wasn't He sucked into a Whirlpool?
Cuz it marks the Beginning of Final wars
Momo for example was like Kaidou's Koby
Imu is gonna be Blackbeard's Chouchou
Mother Frame is gonna become Blackbeard's Muggy Ball
Mary Geoise National Treasure gonna be Blackbeard's Version of Treasure Map that Buggy had
... etc
Luffy always had Three Goals:
1. Become as Great as Shanks (Chapter 1 Promise)
2. Become as Great as Roger (Pirate King Title)
3. Become as Great as Joy Boy (Secret Dream)
Luffy + Zoro = First Goal
Luffy + Zoro + Nami = Second Goal
Luffy + Zoro + Nami + Usopp = Third Goal
First Goal was Presented as Formation of SH Crew (After Morgan was Defeated)
Second Goal was Presented as Gaimon Treasure Island (After Buggy was Defeated)
Third Goal was Presented as Going Merry (After Kuro was Defeated)
Haki on blades doesnt change the fact that the type of damage is still cutting that cannot harm Buggy-senchou.
If you want to beat him you gotta change to blunt type and if he prohibits that in special condition match, Luffy cannot beat him...
Sanji stomping Mr1? Really? How long are pre-TS people gonna be underestimated...
CG raiding ID is now confirmed!
I think you are mixing Roger with Luffy...
Oda clearly called Luffy representative of Fame because only Luffy, Nami and Zoro were present when he said the triggers gathered.
The was nobody else there except for those 3.
And he subtly has hinted at who those same triggers are among Cross Guild.
Luffy is obviously Fame, there is no character in the show who will be even close to as Famous as Luffy.
Others will beat him in both Power and Wealth.
If Usopp is Fame, he will lose in Fame to Luffy so it ends up that Usopp is not Fame after all.
Representatives of Fame, Wealth and Power cannot be beaten in those by others.
If Luffy is more famous than Usopp, Usopp isnt Fame.
If Luffy is wealthier than Nami, Nami isnt Wealth.
If Luffy is stronger than Zoro, Zoro isnt Power.
That's because you interpret those Three Words this way, the Manga never said this directly
Three Early Arcs i mentioned were created to answer this question
What does Power mean? Morgan & Zoro had different Answers
What does Wealth mean? Buggy & Nami had different Answers
What does Fame mean? Kuro & Usopp had different Answers
Zoro was Introduced as Captured & Weaponless, He is Power-Obsessed who Abandoned his Power
Nami was Introduced saying that She gonna give her Treasure to buy a Village, She is Wealth-Obsessed who is Abandoning her Wealth
Usopp was Introduced as Village Annoying Liar, He is Fame-Obsessed who Abandoned his Fame/Reputation
While Morgan, Buggy & Kuro were complete Opposites
They wanted Power, Wealth & Fame (Good Reputation) at all Costs
Kaidou, Blackbeard & Final Villain are gonna be the same
Kaidou wanna "Conquer" The World
Blackbeard wanna "Buy" The World
Final Villain wanna "Inherit" The World
We know that Zoro wanna keep getting Stronger
We know that Nami wanna keep getting Richer
We know that Usopp wanna keep having more & more Stories/Adventures to tell
But that's not what the Story is about
In each of those Three Arcs, Oda created Koby, Chouchou & Kaya who would learn True Value of Power, Wealth & Fame
Zoro's Arc taught Koby that "Your Will" is True Power
Nami's Arc taught Chouchou that "Things Your Protect" are your True Wealth
Usopp's Arc taught Kaya that "Dreams" are your True Fame
And as Story Progressed, what did We learn?
Luffy have "Will of D." same as Roger
Luffy's Treasure is "Straw Hat" that Originally belonged to Roger
Luffy's Dream is only shared by Roger
This is why Only Luffy can Surpass Roger, cuz He Inherited his Will, Hat & Dream (Power, Wealth & Fame)
So when Usopp is presented as Luffy's Equivalent of Fame, it doesn't mean He will become Equally Famous or Equally Influential
Zoro, Nami & Usopp are Re-Creation of how Will of D, Straw Hat & Joy Boy's Dream Originated
But instead of Past Events only leading to Luffy Inheriting these Three Things
This time, the Whole World gonna be included
Luffy + Zoro gonna Inspire The World just like They inspired Koby (You can achieve anything through Cheer Willpower)
Luffy + Nami gonna Inspire The World just like They inspired Chouchou (Anything can be a Treasure)
Luffy + Usopp gonna Inspire The World just like They inspired Kaya (Don't ever Stop Dreaming)
Only through this Three Achievements, can the World be Villain-Free
Which is what Luffy is gonna achieve at the End
Just like Chopper's Dream is to End Sickness, Sanji's Dream will End Hunger, Jinbe's Dream will End Racism ... etc
Luffy's Dream gonna End Villainy (But He needs Zoro, Nami & Usopp to do so)
So Overall, you're comparing them to Luffy using how Villains Define those Three Things
Not how Luffy/Roger Define them
Three Early Arcs i mentioned were created to answer this question
What does Power mean? Morgan & Zoro had different Answers
What does Wealth mean? Buggy & Nami had different Answers
What does Fame mean? Kuro & Usopp had different Answers
Zoro was Introduced as Captured & Weaponless, He is Power-Obsessed who Abandoned his Power
Nami was Introduced saying that She gonna give her Treasure to buy a Village, She is Wealth-Obsessed who is Abandoning her Wealth
Usopp was Introduced as Village Annoying Liar, He is Fame-Obsessed who Abandoned his Fame/Reputation
While Morgan, Buggy & Kuro were complete Opposites
They wanted Power, Wealth & Fame (Good Reputation) at all Costs
Kaidou, Blackbeard & Final Villain are gonna be the same
Kaidou wanna "Conquer" The World
Blackbeard wanna "Buy" The World
Final Villain wanna "Inherit" The World
We know that Zoro wanna keep getting Stronger
We know that Nami wanna keep getting Richer
We know that Usopp wanna keep having more & more Stories/Adventures to tell
But that's not what the Story is about
In each of those Three Arcs, Oda created Koby, Chouchou & Kaya who would learn True Value of Power, Wealth & Fame
Zoro's Arc taught Koby that "Your Will" is True Power
Nami's Arc taught Chouchou that "Things Your Protect" are your True Wealth
Usopp's Arc taught Kaya that "Dreams" are your True Fame
And as Story Progressed, what did We learn?
Luffy have "Will of D." same as Roger
Luffy's Treasure is "Straw Hat" that Originally belonged to Roger
Luffy's Dream is only shared by Roger
This is why Only Luffy can Surpass Roger, cuz He Inherited his Will, Hat & Dream (Power, Wealth & Fame)
So when Usopp is presented as Luffy's Equivalent of Fame, it doesn't mean He will become Equally Famous or Equally Influential
Zoro, Nami & Usopp are Re-Creation of how Will of D, Straw Hat & Joy Boy's Dream Originated
But instead of Past Events only leading to Luffy Inheriting these Three Things
This time, the Whole World gonna be included
Luffy + Zoro gonna Inspire The World just like They inspired Koby (You can achieve anything through Cheer Willpower)
Luffy + Nami gonna Inspire The World just like They inspired Chouchou (Anything can be a Treasure)
Luffy + Usopp gonna Inspire The World just like They inspired Kaya (Don't ever Stop Dreaming)
Only through this Three Achievements, can the World be Villain-Free
Which is what Luffy is gonna achieve at the End
Just like Chopper's Dream is to End Sickness, Sanji's Dream will End Hunger, Jinbe's Dream will End Racism ... etc
Luffy's Dream gonna End Villainy (But He needs Zoro, Nami & Usopp to do so)
So Overall, you're comparing them to Luffy using how Villains Define those Three Things
Not how Luffy/Roger Define them
Haki on blades doesnt change the fact that the type of damage is still cutting that cannot harm Buggy-senchou.
If you want to beat him you gotta change to blunt type and if he prohibits that in special condition match, Luffy cannot beat him...
Sanji stomping Mr1? Really? How long are pre-TS people gonna be underestimated...
CG raiding ID is now confirmed!
I think you are mixing Roger with Luffy...
Oda clearly called Luffy representative of Fame because only Luffy, Nami and Zoro were present when he said the triggers gathered.
The was nobody else there except for those 3.
And he subtly has hinted at who those same triggers are among Cross Guild.
Luffy is obviously Fame, there is no character in the show who will be even close to as Famous as Luffy.
Others will beat him in both Power and Wealth.
If Usopp is Fame, he will lose in Fame to Luffy so it ends up that Usopp is not Fame after all.
Representatives of Fame, Wealth and Power cannot be beaten in those by others.
If Luffy is more famous than Usopp, Usopp isnt Fame.
If Luffy is wealthier than Nami, Nami isnt Wealth.
If Luffy is stronger than Zoro, Zoro isnt Power.
