Controversial What is Roger's will? Does Shanks actually carry it? Who else?

[Xione]

I'm curious as to why people think Shanks carries Roger's will, simply because he wore the hat. I've stated in the past that Dragon is clear cut guy who is continuing what started with Roger. But let's ignore Dragon for now...


The idea that's often pushed is that Shanks is the Roger of the middle gen (which is just an insult to Roger imo), which was then built upon by the recent Joyboy-Shanks mention in Egghead. Further pushing the Shanks is Roger of the middle gen agenda.


Roger had more faith in his unborn son finding the One Piece than his apprentice Shanks. He clearly didn't view Shanks as the "next guy up who'll continue my legacy"... Unlike Shanks who views Luffy as the guy who could do what Roger did. Or unlike Newgate who viewed Ace as the guy who could become PK.

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With that said, I'd like to ask the fandom few questions:

1st. What do you think is Roger's will?
2nd. Whitebeard mentioned multiple people inherited Roger's will, who do you think are those people?

 

[MonsterKaido]

@AL sama @mmd @Red Admiral @Natalija

Tagged shanks fans for you

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

IMO, I think that Roger just saw that the new "Joy Boy" will be a D in Laugh Tale. That's why Shanks cried when Roger spoke in his ear, Roger said that Shanks won't be the one to make it. He would just be the one to carry Roger's will to his successor.

Initially, Shanks forgot about Laugh Tale and went on to side adventures/forming his own crew. At the time, Buggy broke up with him.

Shanks did complete Roger's task and passed his will to Luffy, a D who ate the Nika fruit.

However, Shanks also has his own will and wants to go after the One Piece. That's why he waited until Luffy matured, to keep on with Roger's will and also be able to follow his own dream.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

I don't know about Shanks carrying Roger's will lol he's just make sure that he fulfils the promise of making sure that the man Roger is waiting for is the one who finds the OP since he acknowledges him finding the OP won't necessarily save the world, we still don't know his complete agenda

Roger had more faith in his unborn son finding the One Piece than his apprentice Shanks. He clearly didn't view Shanks as the "next guy up who'll continue my legacy"... Unlike Shanks who views Luffy as the guy who could do what Roger did. Or unlike Newgate who viewed Ace as the guy who could become PK.

Using a joke Roger made while drunk about wanting his son to succeed his legacy the same way people want their sports teams to win to slander Shanks... lol, Shanks has the most similarities to Roger out of anyone and is stated to be the most free man on the seas currently. Shanks is the Roger of this era and this is obvious lmfao. You clowns want Shanks to be irrelevant when people who know the ending have said he's one of the most important characters, "insult to Roger" my ass, you're just an hate-infested moron

Look at the way Buggy thinks about him lmao it's obvious Shanks is the Roger who know he was too early and is helping to find the version of Roger who can complete Roger's will

 

[Salah WG]

What if i tell you that it's Opposite, just because Roger is Older, doesn't mean Shanks must Succeed him,

This Straw Hat is Same as Wado Ichimonji, before Zoro acquired it, it belonged to Only Character who shared his Dream (Kuina),
Same for Luffy, this Straw Hat belonged to Roger, Only Character who shared his Dream,
But it was given to them by a Third Character, Shanks & Koushirou,

We then find out that Wado is actually One of Two Swords forged by Same Person, Other is Enma,
Where was Enma? Still in Wano (Which once belonged to Oden, Main Flashback Character of Wano)
And We also found out that Koushirou Family is from Wano, but He was Born Outside of it,

Same thing for Straw Hat, didn't We find out that there are Two?
Didn't We find out that this Second Straw Hat is still in Mary Geoise? Probably belonging to Joy Boy? (Our Main Flashback Guy),
Didn't We find out that Shanks is actually from Mary Geoise/CDs, but was born Outside of it?

Zoro's Flashback from Romance Dawn + Wano/Oden are Smaller Versions of Luffy's Story with AK/WG/Joy Boy,
So Shanks isn't the Middle Guy, He is actually the One hoping that Roger would Lead them, but He Failed,

Just like Koushirou was Disappointed that Kuina cannot Lead them in the Future,
Shanks was also told by Roger that He isn't the One, that's what He asked him & that's why He Cried (After Laugh Tale),

So Roger is the One who Failed to meet Shanks Potential, not Other way around,
What happened after Zoro Surpassed all those Dojos including Koushirou? He went to Fight Mihawk (His Final Boss),
This means that Luffy won't Face his own Final Boss until He Surpasses Shanks,

Shanks has Greater Will than Roger.

 

[Xione]

Using a joke Roger made while drunk about wanting his son to succeed his legacy the same way people want their sports teams to win to slander Shanks..

So we just throwing reading comprehension out the window just to feel victimized about supposed "Shanks slander"??

-> Roger, while completely Sober, talks with Rayleigh. Tells him his son will get the One Piece.
-> Rayleigh, while completely sober, tells Roger he doesn't have a son.
-> Roger, while completely sober, tells Rayleigh just wait and he'll have a son soon. (Guess what he does? leaves the Roger pirates and proceeds to go make a son.)
-> Roger then says to bring out the drinks and party

Roger got drunk on air? Like what bruh?

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

So we just throwing reading comprehension out the window just to feel victimized about supposed "Shanks slander"??

-> Roger, while completely Sober, talks with Rayleigh. Tells him his son will get the One Piece.
-> Rayleigh, while completely sober, tells Roger he doesn't have a son.
-> Roger, while completely sober, tells Rayleigh just wait and he'll have a son soon. (Guess what he does? leaves the Roger pirates and proceeds to go make a son.)
-> Roger then says to bring out the drinks and party

Roger got drunk on air? Like what bruh?

Roger's comment has as much worth as me saying my unborn son is the next LeBron instead of my talented friend

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Definitely Luffy. There really is no other option

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Roger had more faith on his son finding the one piece rather than his equal rival Whitebeard, I'm sure this means a lot!! It's not like the son he banked his supposed faith on became Whitebeard's servant !!

 

[Xione]

What if i tell you that it's Opposite, just because Roger is Older, doesn't mean Shanks must Succeed him,

The Wado Ichimonji didn't only belong to Kuina. Since it's a sword that's been renowned as a top 21 great grade sword, either Koushirou or Kuina's grandfather effectively used it, giving it renown. Kuina then inherited the sword, which was then passed on to Roronoa.

 

[Salah WG]

The Wado Ichimonji didn't only belong to Kuina. Since it's a sword that's been renowned as a top 21 great grade sword, either Koushirou or Kuina's grandfather effectively used it, giving it renown. Kuina then inherited the sword, which was then passed on to Roronoa.

Same thing can be said about Straw Hat, who said it didn't belong to Roger's Grandfather?

 

[Xione]

Roger had more faith on his son finding the one piece rather than his equal rival Whitebeard, I'm sure this means a lot!! It's not like the son he banked his supposed faith on became Whitebeard's servant !!

As yes, the 50 year old aspiring pirate Edward Newgate.

Same thing can be said about Straw Hat, who said it didn't belong to Roger's Grandfather?

It would be on you to prove that it did, if you want to compare it to Wado.

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Definitely Luffy. There really is no other option

The reason I'm hesitant to say it's only Luffy is Whitebeard stating "like those who" inherited Roger's will, rather than simply just 1 person.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

As yes, the 50 year old aspiring pirate Edward Newgate.

Roger only found out about him not being interested after he found the one piece lol. And is there a cap on age for aspirations? Do Kaido and Big Mom not exist?

It's natural people would say their offspring will continue their legacy rather than people unrelated by blood lmfao

 

[Xione]

Roger only found out about him not being interested after he found the one piece lol. And is there a cap on age for aspirations? Do Kaido and Big Mom not exist?

It's natural people would say their offspring will continue their legacy rather than people unrelated by blood lmfao

Yes he didn't think Kaido or BM would be the ones to discover OP. Not sure why you would bring them up.. lmao. The sole person who Roger thought would discover One Piece again would be his unborn son. I mean... in the end Roger was wrong... but still point stands he didn't think Shanks would be the one to discover it. You're not really countering this point. You lied about him being drunk and now you're bringing up other characters irrelevant to the discussion.

Ah yes, he didn't know Newgate had no interest in the OP... when they had been close for years... or when he got Newgate's underling to help him get to Laughtale and Newgate gave him that underling without fighting... showing no interest in Laughtale or anything of such relation. Lmao.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Yes he didn't think Kaido or BM would be the ones to discover OP. Not sure why you would bring them up.. lmao.

I brought them up because your point of WB being 50 is worthless lmao. Kaido is 59. Big Mom is 68. Both had some of the biggest aspirations on the seas while they were active. Funnily, they're still valid examples because both were far more successful pirates than Ace. Almost like Roger's statement is just an exaggerated joke because every father would want their son to succeed his legacy

Ah yes, he didn't know Newgate had no interest in the OP... when they had been close for years... or when he got Newgate's underling to help him get to Laughtale and Newgate gave him that underling without fighting... showing no interest in Laughtale or anything of such relation. Lmao.

You can't prove this lmfao what? Back when they fought and Roger borrowed Oden, Whitebeard had 0 idea there was another island with a treasure on it before Roger told him. Look how he's surprised:

And Whitebeard was crashing out when Roger was taking oden from him lmfao. Plus Roger finding it is the reason why great pirate age started, he inspired others to go look for it, he would have no idea whether Whitebeard was inspired too or not, this is exactly why he brought up the topic of Whitebeard wanting to know how to get to Raftel? Why would he bring this up if he had no idea Whitebeard wanted to go there or not lmao?

 

[Red Admiral]

we'll get to it
don't hurry
it's luffy and Shanks

 

[Xione]

I brought them up because your point of WB being 50 is worthless lmao. Kaido is 59. Big Mom is 68. Both had some of the biggest aspirations on the seas while they were active. Funnily, they're still valid examples because both were far more successful pirates than Ace. Almost like Roger's statement is just an exaggerated joke because every father would want their son to

You can't prove this lmfao what? Back when they fought and Roger borrowed Oden, Whitebeard had 0 idea there was another island with a treasure on it before Roger told him. Look how he's surprised:

And Whitebeard was crashing out when Roger was taking oden from him lmfao. Plus Roger finding it is the reason why great pirate age started, he inspired others to go look for it, he would have no idea whether Whitebeard was inspired too or not, this is exactly why he brought up the topic of Whitebeard wanting to know how to get to Raftel? Why would he bring this up if he had no idea Whitebeard wanted to go there or not lmao?

Shanks is being brought up as he was the apprentice of Gol D. Roger... and people claiming he inherited Roger's will. Thus, my mentioning of Roger believing Ace would be the one to conquer the grandline, and not his apprentice Shanks. Meaning he didn't think Shanks was capable enough to do it. You then LIED, despite the panel being posted in the OP, and said Roger was drunk making a joke..

Once your lie was addressed, you bring up non-sense related to Whitebeard... once that was addressed you bring up Kaido and BM.

-> Roger told Newgate there was an island beyond Lodestar that he's trying to get to, and Newgate showed no interest in that island. Why are you acting like that's the first time Newgate-Roger would've spoken to each other? lmao. Newgate openly expressed his aspirations to even fodders that he simply wanted a family. He didn't have some grand aspirations. Why would Roger, his rival for years at that point, not know that???

-> Yes Roger didn't believe BM and Kaido would discover OP. Yes he didn't think WB would be the one to discover OP. What does any of this have to do with the fact he thought his unborn son would be the one to discover OP over his apprentice Shanks??

You can say what Roger thinks doesn't have any relevance to who carries his will, as Roger was wrong about Ace... that's valid. Hence, why I specifically ask people to define what they think Roger's will is and who they think carries it.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Shanks is being brought up as he was the apprentice of Gol D. Roger... and people claiming he inherited Roger's will. Thus, my mentioning of Roger believing Ace would be the one to conquer the grandline, and not his apprentice Shanks. Meaning he didn't think Shanks was capable enough to do it. You then LIED, despite the panel being posted in the OP, and said Roger was drunk making a joke..

Clown is still stuck on one mistake I made and is hyperfixating on a common joke people make. I think my son will be the next LeBron instead of my D1 college friend. Lmfao I'm sure it means a lot.

-> Roger told Newgate there was an island beyond Lodestar that he's trying to get to, and Newgate showed no interest in that island. Why are you acting like that's the first time Newgate-Roger would've spoken to each other? lmao. Newgate openly expressed his aspirations to even fodders that he simply wanted a family. He didn't have some grand aspirations. Why would Roger, his rival for years at that point, not know that???

lol spewing already debunked bullshit. Once word got around of Roger finding the treasure, it automatically stirred up the whole pirating world as confirmed in here

He didn't know whether Whitebeard became inspired again or not WHICH IS WHY HE ASKED WHETHER HE WANTS TO KNOW HOW TO GO TO RAFTEL? Why the fuck would he ask that again if he knew Whitebeard didn't want to become king of pirates after roger? Goals can change.

-> Yes Roger didn't believe BM and Kaido would discover OP. Yes he didn't think WB would be the one to discover OP. What does any of this have to do with the fact he thought his unborn son would be the one to discover OP over his apprentice Shanks??

You still haven't caught on have you? My whole point is the statement is fucking worthless. Your point is moot. Roger wanting his son to become the next PK automatically means Roger trusts him more than all great pirates on the sea lmaooo. I want my son to become LeBron. Shit means fuck all. It doesn't mean he didn't have faith in his most talented apprentice who learned his iconic Kamusari when his VC and LHM couldn't do the same. Wanting your son to continue your legacy is common information. And Roger knew that only people with will of D can change the world, hence Ace would do it, he knew Shanks finding it won't change the world. Why the hell do you think Roger assigned Shanks the most important task of finding the next Joyboy and protecting the world's balance if he didn't believe in him lmfaoo

 

[Salah WG]

It would be on you to prove that it did, if you want to compare it to Wado.

That's not how this comparison works, We aren't trying to find Identical Copies, We are looking for Parallels here,
Luffy Declared his Dream to Shanks, while Zoro Declared it to Koushirou, the ones who gave them Straw Hat/Wado,

Roger/Kuina instead are those who shared Luffy/Zoro's Dreams but Failed,
They didn't live up to Hopes of Shanks/Koushirou,

Kuina was basically King of those Dojos before She Died, just like Roger was King of Pirates,
But both didn't Chase their Dreams after They achieved such Milestone, why? Because They knew They aren't good enough,
That means there was a Higher Milestone that They needed to Surpass before acknowledging that They are ready for their End Goals/Dreams,

Zoro can only think of searching for Mihawk, if He can't find anyone Stronger than him in those Dojos,
Same thing for Luffy, He cannot go after his Actual Dream unless He Surpass Pirate He considers to be Best,

This is why, Zoro only started looking for Mihawk once He Surpassed Koushirou,
And this is why, Luffy considers Shanks as Last Person He Must Surpass & won't see anyone They meet as Superior than him,

Roger is a Failed Shanks, just like Kuina is a Failed Koushirou.

 

[GalaxyLevelShanks]

Retard started faith scaling lmfao