Questions & Mysteries What will change once it's revealed that Kizaru fed Luffy?

[Brush D. Teeth]

Oh boi

 

[Kiiro]

Nothing

 

[Jija]

He did it in the most unclear way, it's fitting for Kizaru. He both followed orders, and actively went against them at the same time. He couldn't clearly revolt, so he decided to sandbag as much as possible instead.

Would be much better if he just concentrate on luffy than what happened. Not making decision himself suit much better for unclear justice in my opinion. For me the only thing that can redeem him would be if he somehow know that vegapunk wants to die. On the other hand making decision may meant that he choose his side and he is not unclear anymore.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Don’t really like the implications this has for Kizaru’s character tbh. Suspected as much that it could have been him at the time coz I thought he was gonna go the Aokiji route and actually defy orders & save Vegapunk but seeing how the arc ended with him killing Vegapunk, he just comes across as wishy washy and someone that wasn’t brave enough to stick to his convictions which isn’t really a good look tbh.

Not sure what Oda’s smoking when he writes this shit at times. Feel like I’m throwing him a bone here, but if the intent here was to make Kizaru come across as exactly that (.i.e. wishy/washy and a coward that isn’t able to stick to his convictions to somewhat contrast Aokiji and Akainu then fair enuff but feel like it could’ve been written much better. Especially when you consider how he nonchalantly killed Vegapunk 💀.

I personally don’t dislike Kizaru (neutral on his character) & was actually looking forward to getting to know more about him and how he was gonna deal with the conflict on Egghead but it ended up being pretty disappointing tbh.

This is how I feel.

Was neutral to Kizaru as a character prior to Egghead

Started to get invested in him.

Open to the idea of him delivering the food at first.

Thought that everything Kizaru did after that made the idea of him delivering the food nonsense.

Felt that his speech at the end with Akainu was a crowning moment for the character and the end of a really strong character arc.

And now I’m forced to look back at his entire arc and wonder what on earth Oda was doing with him. Am I meant to think of him as this sort of miserable cog in the machine without any real guts? I don’t think that is what Oda intends, but then, I don’t think he intended Big Mom to come across as a total incompetent who would get mauled by Kaido.

 

[Leadership101]

It further solidifies what a lame and useless character Lizaru is common trend with admirals with Fuji being the only exception

Sure:

- he follows orders --> lame, dog of the CDs, etc.;

- he rebels --> lame, nika twerker, etc.;

- trying to help without being discovered --> lame, useless, etc.

Best debunk I've seen in a while. 😂

 

[ZenZu]

Am I meant to think of him as this sort of miserable cog in the machine without any real guts?

Why not? I think that's exactly on brand with Kizaru. It's what makes him unique actually.

 

[WorstMan]

Wait, we're not going to give @kurwa the credit for being spot on? This is a bombshell! Well done!

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

It further solidifies what a lame and useless character Lizaru is common trend with admirals with Fuji being the only exception

 

[Leadership101]

Why's he upset tho?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Luffy would never hurt someone that gives him food, literally a defined character trait, so it would mean he held back against Kizaru when he pizza diffed him.

Well technically SkyMoron was right, White Star Gun did in fact not hurt Kizaru

 

[Mathias]

Kizaru >> Kaido

 

[MarineHQ]

Luffy would never hurt someone that gives him food, literally a defined character trait, so it would mean he held back against Kizaru when he pizza diffed him.

Out of the window goes the defined character trait lmao

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Well technically SkyMoron was right, White Star Gun did in fact not hurt Kizaru

unfortunately we can literally see what Kizaru is thinking

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

unfortunately we can literally see what Kizaru is thinking

We know Kizaru was moving three seconds later lmfao. He was likely thinking about Saturn coming to kill Vegapunk.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Why's he upset tho?

I really dont know tbh lol

 

[Garp the Fist]

Why not? I think that's exactly on brand with Kizaru. It's what makes him unique actually.

Cause I don’t think that’s what Oda intends with him, because of the scene with Sakazuki. That ends with

a) Kizaru showing real, genuine emotion- not just emotion, fury- for the first time in the entire series, at the mere suggestion that Kizaru had botched things

b) Sakazuki actually apologising- again a first

That scene was meant to make us think Kizaru genuinely did all he could despite the emotional toll. Him killing Vegapunk, trying to chop Kuma and Bonney in half and lasering her at point blank pointed to a man who had made up his mind. Sakazuki actually says sorry, that’s unheard of.

But now we have thrown in this rubbish, half arsed attempt to, honestly, I don’t even know. He did the least bit possible to try and help some of them, then tried to kill them anyway. Feeding Luffy wouldn’t even have saved Bonney, he wasn’t ready until quite a bit after Kuma arrived.

Kizaru is just so half assed and I don’t find it at all interesting or well written, I just think it’s a poor man’s version of the other conflicts between duty and the Marines that Oda has written for other characters. Particularly Kuzan and Ohara

 

[Shiroyru]

Cause I don’t think that’s what Oda intends with him, because of the scene with Sakazuki. That ends with

a) Kizaru showing real, genuine emotion- not just emotion, fury- for the first time in the entire series, at the mere suggestion that Kizaru had botched things

b) Sakazuki actually apologising- again a first

That scene was meant to make us think Kizaru genuinely did all he could despite the emotional toll. Him killing Vegapunk, trying to chop Kuma and Bonney in half and lasering her at point blank pointed to a man who had made up his mind. Sakazuki actually says sorry, that’s unheard of.

But now we have thrown in this rubbish, half arsed attempt to, honestly, I don’t even know. He did the least bit possible to try and help some of them, then tried to kill them anyway. Feeding Luffy wouldn’t even have saved Bonney, he wasn’t ready until quite a bit after Kuma arrived.

Kizaru is just so half assed and I don’t find it at all interesting or well written, I just think it’s a poor man’s version of the other conflicts between duty and the Marines that Oda has written for other characters. Particularly Kuzan and Ohara

But Kizaru's justice is "Unclear Justice," so his character being a confusing, contradictory mess is ackshually good writing

 

[ZenZu]

Cause I don’t think that’s what Oda intends with him, because of the scene with Sakazuki. That ends with

a) Kizaru showing real, genuine emotion- not just emotion, fury- for the first time in the entire series, at the mere suggestion that Kizaru had botched things

b) Sakazuki actually apologising- again a first

That scene was meant to make us think Kizaru genuinely did all he could despite the emotional toll. Him killing Vegapunk, trying to chop Kuma and Bonney in half and lasering her at point blank pointed to a man who had made up his mind. Sakazuki actually says sorry, that’s unheard of.

But now we have thrown in this rubbish, half arsed attempt to, honestly, I don’t even know. He did the least bit possible to try and help some of them, then tried to kill them anyway. Feeding Luffy wouldn’t even have saved Bonney, he wasn’t ready until quite a bit after Kuma arrived.

Kizaru is just so half assed and I don’t find it at all interesting or well written, I just think it’s a poor man’s version of the other conflicts between duty and the Marines that Oda has written for other characters. Particularly Kuzan and Ohara

Kizaru still ended up putting duty first after all, only thing is he was overcome with emotion. Him feeding Luffy doesn't change the fact that he did indeed stab his best friend in the back, that is the reality of the situation, and that is what Kizaru is feeling the aftereffects of.

Absolutely nothing is taken away from that scene. It's simply the reality of the situation. Akainu suspects foul play, Kizaru who had the resolve to kill his friend lashes out because he is in his feelings. Imagine you killing your friend for a mission, and having to hear your boss complaining....yea, not gonna be taken well by anyone. That was his breaking point.

 

[kurwa]

Cause I don’t think that’s what Oda intends with him, because of the scene with Sakazuki. That ends with

a) Kizaru showing real, genuine emotion- not just emotion, fury- for the first time in the entire series, at the mere suggestion that Kizaru had botched things

b) Sakazuki actually apologising- again a first

That scene was meant to make us think Kizaru genuinely did all he could despite the emotional toll. Him killing Vegapunk, trying to chop Kuma and Bonney in half and lasering her at point blank pointed to a man who had made up his mind. Sakazuki actually says sorry, that’s unheard of.

But now we have thrown in this rubbish, half arsed attempt to, honestly, I don’t even know. He did the least bit possible to try and help some of them, then tried to kill them anyway. Feeding Luffy wouldn’t even have saved Bonney, he wasn’t ready until quite a bit after Kuma arrived.

Kizaru is just so half assed and I don’t find it at all interesting or well written, I just think it’s a poor man’s version of the other conflicts between duty and the Marines that Oda has written for other characters. Particularly Kuzan and Ohara

Jesus, is it really so hard to understand he needed to accomplish his orders AND wanted his friends to live?
Those things go against each other.
He hoped Goofy would stop nerfed him from accomplishing his mission (goofy failed)
The Akainu scene is about that him saying he did his mission and it was hard on him.

Aren't you the guy who likes character like Garp whom Fujitora exposed like a fraud?
The guy who is fine with slave hunting games but goes after good pirate like Roger.
The guy who is too afraid of a Admiral rank when Fujitora directly opposes WG despite having Admiral rank.

 

[Garp the Fist]

But Kizaru's justice is "Unclear Justice," so his character being a confusing, contradictory mess is ackshually good writing

I believe that Unclear is actually a mistranslation from “will do the absolute bare minimum, once, to help his friends in between attempted and successful murders”

Difficult language, Japanese. Doesn’t translate well.