Character Discussion What's your Thoughs on Shanks's Character?
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Yasopp had a point in doing what he did. Bartolomeo even found it weird that Shanks let him go, and if you read the chapter he clearly didn't learn his lesson. Yasopp was on business, even if a bit toxic. It's consistent with the writing we saw in chapter 1, the Red Hair pirates aren't saints.
But I don't understand why are you blaming Shanks for Yasopp's actions?
Did Luffy stop Zoro from kicking Loki? He did not. Do you blame Luffy for Zoro's actions?
Both the Straw Hats and Red Hair pirates are free people, doing what they want.
Nami said that he doesn't want to leave the kids behind at Punk Hazard, and Luffy followed Nami's demands. Law was surprised that Luffy is giving so much decision making to Nami when she is not even the captain.
Shanks let Yasopp make his own decision. If you want to blame someone, blame Yasopp.
But I don't understand why are you blaming Shanks for Yasopp's actions?
Did Luffy stop Zoro from kicking Loki? He did not. Do you blame Luffy for Zoro's actions?
Both the Straw Hats and Red Hair pirates are free people, doing what they want.
Nami said that he doesn't want to leave the kids behind at Punk Hazard, and Luffy followed Nami's demands. Law was surprised that Luffy is giving so much decision making to Nami when she is not even the captain.
Shanks let Yasopp make his own decision. If you want to blame someone, blame Yasopp.
It doesn't really matter, it was still messed up that they made them think they were free, just to shoot them in the back. I would be fine if they killed Barto on the island but letting him go just to shoot him in the back, can only be seen as messed up because they had the opportunity to kill him earlier.
It isn't consistent with how Shanks has acted in the past. And also I never said Shanks was a complete Saint who does no wrong, but nothing in the story indicates he would do that.
There is a big difference between the two situations. 1. Luffy scolded Zoro after he did it and made it clear he didn't like what he just did unlike Shanks. 2. Luffy had no way of knowing Zoro was going to kick Loki but Shanks knew Yassop was going to shoot Barto's ship.
Their crew has a say in things but the captains word is always final. Think how many times Luffy has ignored what his crewmates have said or made a decision that one crewmate didn't like.
As a captain you are responsible for your crewmates actions so if you don't stop your crew from committing blatant insubordination then the bla.e is on you.
It isn't consistent with how Shanks has acted in the past. And also I never said Shanks was a complete Saint who does no wrong, but nothing in the story indicates he would do that.
There is a big difference between the two situations. 1. Luffy scolded Zoro after he did it and made it clear he didn't like what he just did unlike Shanks. 2. Luffy had no way of knowing Zoro was going to kick Loki but Shanks knew Yassop was going to shoot Barto's ship.
Their crew has a say in things but the captains word is always final. Think how many times Luffy has ignored what his crewmates have said or made a decision that one crewmate didn't like.
As a captain you are responsible for your crewmates actions so if you don't stop your crew from committing blatant insubordination then the bla.e is on you.
Like i said, the issue it not him being nice and strong, these are plenty of these type of characters in media, its the lack of foundation behind his strength that makes his role as a rolemodel feel cheap. Rolemodels are meant to be inspirational, and inspirational comes from ones ability to overcome challenges and still persevering. Take all-might from MHA for example. He turns in to a frail skeleton from pushing himself from a lifelong injury but still pushing himself to save people at the expense of his health. He carries societal pressure by hiding his weakness to to preserve his image as a symbol of peace. Deku admired All Might even before knowing this, but learning about his struggles added depth to his admiration.
Shanks doesnt have any of this depth, which makes Luffys admiration for him feel very shallow, its just him wanting to be cool like shanks.
Shanks sacraficed his arm, yet Oda has not shown this this have any sort of negative impact whatsoever. So even though his role is being luffys role model, he furfills this role in very surface level way. And saying "dont overthink it" is a copout. My hero academia is a kids show which doesnt take itself too seriously, and yet it still has the depth for it's shanks type character. One piece has been going on for 20+ years and somehow Oda has failed or hasnt even bothered trying to add any substance to the character.
Shanks doesnt have any of this depth, which makes Luffys admiration for him feel very shallow, its just him wanting to be cool like shanks.
Shanks sacraficed his arm, yet Oda has not shown this this have any sort of negative impact whatsoever. So even though his role is being luffys role model, he furfills this role in very surface level way. And saying "dont overthink it" is a copout. My hero academia is a kids show which doesnt take itself too seriously, and yet it still has the depth for it's shanks type character. One piece has been going on for 20+ years and somehow Oda has failed or hasnt even bothered trying to add any substance to the character.
