General & Others When does a weapon become a sword and a man a swordsman?

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Yes shanks can use haki…
Mihawk is a better skilled at swordsmanship than big mom or kizaru but he’s also the only actual swordsman between them
Swordsmanship as per last chapter even included no touch acoc with the sword

So whatever shanks does with his haki and his sword ITS WEAKER THAN MIHAWKS
 
? No way you actually believe shanks has inferior haki
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Mihawk being more skilled in swordsmanship doesn’t make his haki better
Whether his haki is better or not is irrelevant lol

Mihawk is the World’s Strongest Swordsman

Not the most skilled, or the greatest, or the best, but the strongest

There is 0 ambiguity in that. He is stronger than every swordsman alive

Shanks is a swordsman. Therefore he is stronger than Shanks
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
? No way you actually believe shanks has inferior haki
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Mihawk being more skilled in swordsmanship doesn’t make his haki better
Of course he does

It absolutely does

You have no escape from last chapter

Rox swordsmanship is acoc no touch blast from his sword something he can't do without advanced haki
 
? No way you actually believe shanks has inferior haki
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Mihawk being more skilled in swordsmanship doesn’t make his haki better
The problem with that is haki is the strongest power that can be used with swordsmanship. If Shanks had stronger haki he would have greater sword skill, be a stronger swordsman, and the WSS.
 
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Mihawk being > shanks overall doesnt mean that he is superior in every stat.

Shanks might have stronger haki, but he still loses the fight
I know the story has spent a lot of time emphasizing haki recently but I have to agree

Having better haki doesn’t guarantee a victor. Luffy beat Katakuri with worse armament haki and beat the Kuja sisters pre timeskip while not having haki at all

I think Mihawk is just straight up a better fighter than Shanks

Probably superior raw stats (strength, speed, etc) while also being better at wielding a sword

Both of those things combined make him stronger
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Mihawk being > shanks overall doesnt mean that he is superior in every stat.

Shanks might have stronger haki, but he still loses the fight
I know the story has spent a lot of time emphasizing haki recently but I have to agree

Having better haki doesn’t guarantee a victor. Luffy beat Katakuri with worse armament haki and beat the Kuja sisters pre timeskip while not having haki at all

I think Mihawk is just straight up a better fighter than Shanks

Probably superior raw stats (strength, speed, etc) while also being better at wielding a sword

Both of those things combined make him stronger
In this instance it does they have the same toolkit
 
Whether his haki is better or not is irrelevant lol

Mihawk is the World’s Strongest Swordsman

Not the most skilled, or the greatest, or the best, but the strongest

There is 0 ambiguity in that. He is stronger than every swordsman alive

Shanks is a swordsman. Therefore he is stronger than Shanks
Shanks has never been confirmed to be a swordsman so the argument is daft

Of course he does

It absolutely does

You have no escape from last chapter

Rox swordsmanship is acoc no touch blast from his sword something he can't do without advanced haki
  1. We don’t actually know how xebec is doing what he’s doing with his swordsmanship. We do know it looks different from divine departure but that isn’t the point
  2. Nothing in the story even halfway implies mihawk having even comparable haki to shanks let alone better
The problem with that is haki is the strongest power that can use with swordsmanship. If Shanks had stronger haki he would have greater sword skill and be a stronger swordsman and the WSS.
Haki is used for everything

No same way big mom is a physical monster, has internal armament, conquerors infusion, and sword attacks doesn’t make her a good swordsman as we’ve seen. Her not even being considered a swordsman
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Shanks has never been confirmed to be a swordsman so the argument is daft


  1. We don’t actually know how xebec is doing what he’s doing with his swordsmanship. We do know it looks different from divine departure but that isn’t the point
  2. Nothing in the story even halfway implies mihawk having even comparable haki to shanks let alone better

Haki is used for everything

No same way big mom is a physical monster, has internal armament, conquerors infusion, and sword attacks doesn’t make her a good swordsman as we’ve seen. Her not even being considered a swordsman
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There's no way to run it's advanced haki and oda called it swordsmanship
 
Rocks' Sword Skill didn't prove that he was a Swordsman in One Piece..
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I love how for years you defended the stupidity that a character who carries a sword, attacks and defends himself mainly and exclusively with a sword, was not a swordsman. And now that they also show us one of these characters using all the possible power of haki along with his swordsmanship, they ALSO do not make him a swordsman xD. I would love to know then what the hell a swordsman is for idiots like you.
 
Shanks has never been confirmed to be a swordsman so the argument is daft


  1. We don’t actually know how xebec is doing what he’s doing with his swordsmanship. We do know it looks different from divine departure but that isn’t the point
  2. Nothing in the story even halfway implies mihawk having even comparable haki to shanks let alone better

Haki is used for everything

No same way big mom is a physical monster, has internal armament, conquerors infusion, and sword attacks doesn’t make her a good swordsman as we’ve seen. Her not even being considered a swordsman
Oda has called Shanks a swordsman in multiple official One Piece sources.

I know haki is used for everything but when used with swordsmanship it's part of swordsmanship. It's like footwork. A lot of fighting styles use footwork. When used with boxing it becomes part of boxing skills.

Swordsmanship refers to the skills and techniques used in combat and training with any type of sword.

I'm still on the fence whether BM is a swordsman or not. A swordsman is anyone who fighting style centers around swordsmanship or they are at their strongest when using a sword.
 
Haki is not=swordsmanship but it's a part of it when we talking about highly qualified fighters (scabbards) let alone top tiers.

But yeah Mihawk doesn't need to have better Haki(specifically CoC) to be stronger than Shanks but he also can't have much weaker haki overall ethier because his swordsmahip are confirmed to be stronger than Shanks. He can't make up for it just by physical strength or Yoru alone so stronger CoA(Black Blade) and Top Tier CoC is here as well.
 
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I love how for years you defended the stupidity that a character who carries a sword, attacks and defends himself mainly and exclusively with a sword, was not a swordsman. And now that they also show us one of these characters using all the possible power of haki along with his swordsmanship, they ALSO do not make him a swordsman xD. I would love to know then what the hell a swordsman is for idiots like you.
You completely ran away from my question..

Actually i claimed all this time that Fujitora was a Swordsman.. Now i'm not so sure, only if he has a Sword Style..
A Swordsman is someone who has a Sword Style independent of his Sword Skill.. However Sword Skill are extremely important, that's what made Mihawk the World Strongest Swordsman that he is now..

Oda has called Shanks a swordsman in multiple official One Piece sources.
I agree here.. But what changed now is since Shanks is a Swordsman he needs to have a Sword Style..

that's "blade" not "sword" you retard, and it's about the blade ranks not swordsmanship itself
Google '' Katana '' and click on images, see what it gives you.. Blade is Yaiba..
 
Yes you need to have a Sword Style, it's paramount to being a Swordsman.. '' Unless '' you name yourself one of your own, but that's more directed toward Dirty Swordsmen that Zoro will face along the way..
Now you are making stuff up again.

There's no such thing as a dirty swordsman. Either you are a swordsman or not. You are still trying to push these rules in the manga that don't exist.
 
Now you are making stuff up again.

There's no such thing as a dirty swordsman. Either you are a swordsman or not. You are still trying to push these rules in the manga that don't exist.
Just like there are Dirty Pirates there are Dirty Swordsmen, Cabaji was one of them and Shiryu will be too.. Zoro didn't respect Cabaji as a Swordsman, he kicked him with his foot..
 
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