General & Others When will ZKKers stop gaslighting and just tell the truth?
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Zoro single handedly stopped Kuma from killing everyone in Thriller Bark and arguably outshined Luffy even after Moria's defeat
Oda doesn't give a single fuck if Zoro or Sanji have their moments Luffy after Luffy defeats the main villian, because those 2 don't undermine eachother. Sanji's big moment is after Luffy has beaten Katakuri, but somehow, Zoro can't have his big moment because Luffy has beaten Kaido?
Fuck out of here.
Oda doesn't give a single fuck if Zoro or Sanji have their moments Luffy after Luffy defeats the main villian, because those 2 don't undermine eachother. Sanji's big moment is after Luffy has beaten Katakuri, but somehow, Zoro can't have his big moment because Luffy has beaten Kaido?
Fuck out of here.
You know I'd have no issue of ZKK if it could be done in a narrative sense which doesn't make Luffy look bad. No matter how you try to slice it each way it always does make Luffy look bad.
Zorocucks wants ZKK to happen and will argue in bad faith that Luffy won but just couldn't keep battling Kaido despite the fact Zoro is in even worse state than Luffy.
It's all about an agenda for Zorocucks they will ignore specific parts of the story and will twist them in ways to suit their agenda. Zorocucks will realise soon enough their headcanon they've held for a number of years now will crumble.
Oda gave them a 2 week break to cope with ZKK not happening
Zorocucks wants ZKK to happen and will argue in bad faith that Luffy won but just couldn't keep battling Kaido despite the fact Zoro is in even worse state than Luffy.
It's all about an agenda for Zorocucks they will ignore specific parts of the story and will twist them in ways to suit their agenda. Zorocucks will realise soon enough their headcanon they've held for a number of years now will crumble.
Oda gave them a 2 week break to cope with ZKK not happening
What the hell are you even saying?
These guys never beat Luffy's major villains
Gin isn't even strawhat
Only times Oda uses others to take down a Yonko or kill them is when he uses Luffy's top 3 rivals: Teach killed WB, kid and law beat BM
Zoro killing Kaido means luffy couldn't beat Kaido as he got up shortly after the KO.
Thus it is not Joyboy who saver Wano but Zoro
Which goes against everything Oda wrote
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That's what they want
They think Oda will have zoro be the saviour of Wano when it is Luffy aka Joyboy
Kuma wasn't the main viain of TB neither was he secondary one
It was Moriah and Oars , both Luffy defeated.
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Sanji didn't beat Katakuri, didn't outshine Luffy either
These guys never beat Luffy's major villains
Gin isn't even strawhat
Only times Oda uses others to take down a Yonko or kill them is when he uses Luffy's top 3 rivals: Teach killed WB, kid and law beat BM
Zoro killing Kaido means luffy couldn't beat Kaido as he got up shortly after the KO.
Thus it is not Joyboy who saver Wano but Zoro
Which goes against everything Oda wrote
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That's what they want
They think Oda will have zoro be the saviour of Wano when it is Luffy aka Joyboy
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Kuma wasn't the main viain of TB neither was he secondary one
It was Moriah and Oars , both Luffy defeated.
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Sanji didn't beat Katakuri, didn't outshine Luffy either
ZKK is kicking in
I think there's a lot on going for it
Zoro's care for the Samurai cause and his own clear explicit declaration and also the parallel with no one killing Kaido in 20 years so Oden parallel, also the Moon Prophecy parallel with Oden and the Moon tattoo, his parallel with Ryuma and the Dragon Slaying. And there should be something else as well on going
I think there's a lot on going for it
Zoro's care for the Samurai cause and his own clear explicit declaration and also the parallel with no one killing Kaido in 20 years so Oden parallel, also the Moon Prophecy parallel with Oden and the Moon tattoo, his parallel with Ryuma and the Dragon Slaying. And there should be something else as well on going
I think most guys who support ZKK say Zoro will defeat & Kill Kaido, not Luffy. The reason we say Luffy will defeat/score a W with Kaido is because it's hard to imagine his ass losing 6 times in a row without any kind of W. And of course, it's won't be a legitimate defeat, aka a fake win, just like Kaido didn't legitimately defeat Luffy after knocking his ass out for 5 times.
So after his fake win, and his fans satisfied we can move on to the real finale : Awakened Kaido vs Black Blade Zoro.
So after his fake win, and his fans satisfied we can move on to the real finale : Awakened Kaido vs Black Blade Zoro.
if the king got up and awakened his powerful power, and another man came out to defeat and kill the king，what do Zoro fans think? ，They claimed that ZKK did not steal Luffy's honor. They claimed that ZKK would not let Zoro > Luffy. They claimed that ZKK just had a lot of so-called evidence
transpositional consideration
Many ZKK cults are hypocritical. They hate Luffy, so they want ZKK to appear, but they refuse to admit it
I dare say that if ZKK happens, many of them will wantonly belittle Luffy and praise Zoro. What do you think?
transpositional consideration
Many ZKK cults are hypocritical. They hate Luffy, so they want ZKK to appear, but they refuse to admit it
I dare say that if ZKK happens, many of them will wantonly belittle Luffy and praise Zoro. What do you think?
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Luffy is the one who saved everyone in thriller bark and defeated a shichibukai
Zoro saved and protected luffy who kuma was specifically after
Zoro and sanji can have moments after luffy defeats the big bad just not anything more important that overshadows luffy's accomplishments
If luffy fails to defeat kaido zoro isnt just gonna come in and actually be the one to do it
Zoro saved and protected luffy who kuma was specifically after
Zoro and sanji can have moments after luffy defeats the big bad just not anything more important that overshadows luffy's accomplishments
If luffy fails to defeat kaido zoro isnt just gonna come in and actually be the one to do it
Thing is, you're framing this as if your view of what "counts" as a legitimate win for Luffy should apply to everyone.
You're saying, "If Kaido gets up in any way, shape, or form after being knocked out by Luffy, then Luffy didn't actually win, and there's no middle ground"
But that's only how YOU personally see it...and you're assuming that every ZKK believer agrees with that opinion but they deny it deep down
We're way past the point of a "clean" win, are we not?
You're saying, "If Kaido gets up in any way, shape, or form after being knocked out by Luffy, then Luffy didn't actually win, and there's no middle ground"
But that's only how YOU personally see it...and you're assuming that every ZKK believer agrees with that opinion but they deny it deep down
We're way past the point of a "clean" win, are we not?
- Kaido has fought 15+ people
- Luffy got healed more than once
- Kaido canonically has the victory under his belt already by the narration box
" If Luffy didn't put kaido down for good, then his victory isn't real and he didn't defeat kaido. It doesn't matter what the narration box says or how Oda frames it". LOL so you are saying your own interpretation>oda's intepration? 
If oda has a narration box saying "luffy defeated kaido" then that means ODA the AUTHOR OF ONE PIECE considers that luffy defeated kaido, then luffy defeated kaido. Just because you, a random insignificant fan thinks otherwise, doesnt mean shit, you aren't the one that writes the story.
If oda has a narration box saying "luffy defeated kaido" then that means ODA the AUTHOR OF ONE PIECE considers that luffy defeated kaido, then luffy defeated kaido. Just because you, a random insignificant fan thinks otherwise, doesnt mean shit, you aren't the one that writes the story.
