General & Others When will ZKKers stop gaslighting and just tell the truth?
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When was Zoro portraited as the savior of Wano?
Every moment he did something in front the actual citizens of Wano, including the Scabbards, had Sanji there with him while everyone cheered for both of them
It was like that during Yasue's execution, and it was like that when Sanji reached the live floor, saved a lot of people, brought Zoro to get healed and started doing the most there even after Marco went down, and it was like that on chapter 1022 during "The Stars take the stage"
So Sanji is also a savior of Wano, right? And after Luffy saying he wants their friends to eat as much as they want, Sanji's ideals seem even more evident
When Luffy lost for the first time, everyone lost their hopes, that was the time Sanji reached the live floor and helped them to regain their hopes
Nobody cared that much for Zoro coming down to the live floor as a mummy in a cross. All of their hopes were put on Luffy since the beginning
And thats since Zou, Luffy left to WCI to take Sanji back before going to Wano because he knew "Sanji is super strong and reliable".
Sanji might cook Kaido if Zoro kills him, and then feed the people of Wano with it
So ZKK is a very flawed theory that completely ignores a lot of stuff, and most of the standards of the One Piece manga
Every moment he did something in front the actual citizens of Wano, including the Scabbards, had Sanji there with him while everyone cheered for both of them
It was like that during Yasue's execution, and it was like that when Sanji reached the live floor, saved a lot of people, brought Zoro to get healed and started doing the most there even after Marco went down, and it was like that on chapter 1022 during "The Stars take the stage"
So Sanji is also a savior of Wano, right? And after Luffy saying he wants their friends to eat as much as they want, Sanji's ideals seem even more evident
When Luffy lost for the first time, everyone lost their hopes, that was the time Sanji reached the live floor and helped them to regain their hopes
Nobody cared that much for Zoro coming down to the live floor as a mummy in a cross. All of their hopes were put on Luffy since the beginning
And thats since Zou, Luffy left to WCI to take Sanji back before going to Wano because he knew "Sanji is super strong and reliable".
Sanji might cook Kaido if Zoro kills him, and then feed the people of Wano with it
So ZKK is a very flawed theory that completely ignores a lot of stuff, and most of the standards of the One Piece manga
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When was Zoro portraited as the savior of Wano?
Every moment he did something in front the actual citizens of Wano, including the Scabbards, had Sanji there with him while everyone cheered for both of them
It was like that during Yasue's execution, and it was like that when Sanji reached the live floor, saved a lot of people, brought Zoro to get healed and started doing the most there even after Marco went down, and it was like that on chapter 1022 during "The Stars take the stage"
So Sanji is also a savior of Wano, right? And after Luffy saying he wants to their friends to eat as much as they want, Sanji's ideals seem even more evident
When Luffy lost for the first time, everyone lost their hopes, that was the time Sanji reached the live floor and helped them to regain their hopes
Nobody cared that much for Zoro coming down to the live floor as a mummy in a cross. All of their hopes were put on Luffy since the beginning
And thats since Zou, Luffy left to WCI to take Sanji back before going to Wano because he knew "Sanji is super strong and reliable".
Sanji might cook Kaido if Zoro kills him, and then feed the people of Wano with it
So ZKK is a very flawed theory that completely ignores a lot of stuff, and most of the standards of the One Piece manga
Every moment he did something in front the actual citizens of Wano, including the Scabbards, had Sanji there with him while everyone cheered for both of them
It was like that during Yasue's execution, and it was like that when Sanji reached the live floor, saved a lot of people, brought Zoro to get healed and started doing the most there even after Marco went down, and it was like that on chapter 1022 during "The Stars take the stage"
So Sanji is also a savior of Wano, right? And after Luffy saying he wants to their friends to eat as much as they want, Sanji's ideals seem even more evident
When Luffy lost for the first time, everyone lost their hopes, that was the time Sanji reached the live floor and helped them to regain their hopes
Nobody cared that much for Zoro coming down to the live floor as a mummy in a cross. All of their hopes were put on Luffy since the beginning
And thats since Zou, Luffy left to WCI to take Sanji back before going to Wano because he knew "Sanji is super strong and reliable".
Sanji might cook Kaido if Zoro kills him, and then feed the people of Wano with it
So ZKK is a very flawed theory that completely ignores a lot of stuff, and most of the standards of the One Piece manga
Yes mate these idiots think Luffy can't beat Kaido after having every advanced Haki and awakening but a nearly dead Lolo would defeat an Awakened Kaido with black blade.
I don't even know how this would look good for Zoro honestly. Kill a completely defeated foe that can't even defend himself, after Oda built all this JoyBoy and "inherited will" stuff around Luffy, that "carries the burden of Wano on his back"
According to them, Zoro would kill Kaido over the Flower Capital and everyone would watch, meaning that Kaido wouldn't have got defeated by Luffy, meaning Luffy would've failed AGAIN and Kaido would still be a threat. Solely to be killed by Zoro with ease
If Oda is willing to do that, hes basically making Luffy look like the biggest clown in the manga, its like he hated the protagonist with all of his strength. Everyone accomplished their goals, but Luffy failed, thats it.
They must be happy that Oda made this a deadly difficult giving Kaido enough chances to show why he is a GOAT. Oda would never let Luffy be outshined especially more when he is near the end of his story. If Luffy doesn't finish the battle and Zolo does it, does anyone believe Luffy will be the PK? Hell no! So instead of showing the level of retardness that none has seen its better to know that Oda loves Luffy and will not let him be outshined again. He has been knocked out 3 times already, he literally died and awakened. Do you think he'll give his awakening a Big L by not ending Kaido? 
Thriller Bark, Baratie 
It looks bad for Zoro's character and all of his pride as a swordsman
It doesn't fit nothing that Zoro showed interest at doing since he left the rooftop: He made clear Luffy would beat Kaido, and he made clear that when Sanji asked Zoro to kill him, he believed that he finally had got something to do after beating King, which is looking after Sanji and what was happening. Zoro showed no interest at fighting Kaido, he most likely knew he had no business with Kaido anymore, either because he believed Luffy would beat Kaido, or because he would be in his worst shape ever, and unable to do something relevant again.
Not saying Oda is always consistent with everything he comes up with
But it obviously makes Luffy look like a complete clown on every single aspect you can think about.
In other words: Luffy lost again when he should've won, and Oda hates his ass
It doesn't fit nothing that Zoro showed interest at doing since he left the rooftop: He made clear Luffy would beat Kaido, and he made clear that when Sanji asked Zoro to kill him, he believed that he finally had got something to do after beating King, which is looking after Sanji and what was happening. Zoro showed no interest at fighting Kaido, he most likely knew he had no business with Kaido anymore, either because he believed Luffy would beat Kaido, or because he would be in his worst shape ever, and unable to do something relevant again.
Not saying Oda is always consistent with everything he comes up with
But it obviously makes Luffy look like a complete clown on every single aspect you can think about.
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In other words: Luffy lost again when he should've won, and Oda hates his ass
Only in the scenario where Zoro kills an unconscious, immobile Kaido would it look bad for him.
Only in the scenario where Zoro 1v1's and defeats awakened Kaido would it look bad for Luffy.
But in the scenario where Zoro saves Luffy and co from Kaido cheapshotting them after his defeat, neither of them look bad
It's like if Don Krieg actually tried to hit Luffy from behind after he woke up raging after his defeat, and Gin stepped in front and KO'd him
Only in the scenario where Zoro 1v1's and defeats awakened Kaido would it look bad for Luffy.
But in the scenario where Zoro saves Luffy and co from Kaido cheapshotting them after his defeat, neither of them look bad
It's like if Don Krieg actually tried to hit Luffy from behind after he woke up raging after his defeat, and Gin stepped in front and KO'd him
This is the first time we want it because there's so many evidence/foreshadowing and narratives backing it
This is why we are here in the first place lol do discuss or argue about one piece
Why these anti zkk can't wait for few more chapters? Are u guys that scared?
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This is why we are here in the first place lol do discuss or argue about one piece
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Why these anti zkk can't wait for few more chapters? Are u guys that scared?
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Luffy vs Don Krieg
Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg
Luffy falls into the sea after it
Sanji had to save Luffy
Gin confirms that Krieg lost
Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out
Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man
So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.
While Krieg is still up and ranting.
Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.
Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.
The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.
Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.
Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg
Luffy falls into the sea after it
Sanji had to save Luffy
Gin confirms that Krieg lost
Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out
Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man
So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.
While Krieg is still up and ranting.
Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.
Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.
The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.
Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.
Luffy vs Don Krieg
Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg
Luffy falls into the sea after it
Sanji had to save Luffy
Gin confirms that Krieg lost
Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out
Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man
So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.
While Krieg is still up and ranting.
Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.
Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.
The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.
Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.
Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg
Luffy falls into the sea after it
Sanji had to save Luffy
Gin confirms that Krieg lost
Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out
Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man
So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.
While Krieg is still up and ranting.
Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.
Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.
The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.
Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.