General & Others When will ZKKers stop gaslighting and just tell the truth?
- Thread starter Monkey D Theories
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- Makes certain parameters on what is bad or good based on his opinion
- Example "it's bad writing if Kaido gets up, gets stronger, awakens or does anything after this punch."
- Therefore according to his oh so superior opinion, if ZKK does happen it's bad writing because....
- "Rufee EMCEe zorotard, hi ken nut ovahshadough EmCeE. ZKK istupid teaory."
Just laugh and wait lol. ZKK will happen regardless
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Luffy vs Don Krieg
Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg
Luffy falls into the sea after it
Sanji had to save Luffy
Gin confirms that Krieg lost
Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out
Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man
So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.
While Krieg is still up and ranting.
Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.
Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.
The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.
Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.
Luffy expicitly said to beat Don Krieg
Luffy falls into the sea after it
Sanji had to save Luffy
Gin confirms that Krieg lost
Don Krieg still returns while Luffy is knocked out
Gin punches Krieg, knocks him out, tells him to accept defeat like a man
So this means, had Gin or Sanji not intervened, then the end of Lufy vs Don Krieg would be Luffy, in a net, unconscious, sinking into the ocean.
While Krieg is still up and ranting.
Based on the chucklefuck logic being used here, Luffy did not beat Krieg. Gin did. Luffy vs Krieg is actually a win for Krieg cause without outside untervention Luffy would have died while Krieg was still conscious.
Except that’s not what happened, cause Oda makes it very clear that despite the above, Luffy won the fight.
The exact same thing can happen for Kaido, or any other villain. Or it might not. Maybe Luffy has indeed knocked Kaido straight out and he’ll stay that way and just get thrown in Impel Down like most villains.
Either way, the logic in this thread is still dumb as fuck and just anothher example of people crying over a theory they don’t like.
Apparently kaido who accepted his defeat in the hands of Joyboy will get up Not accepting it anymore just to go berserk
Gol D Wanker
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None of that he did equals beating Moriah and Oars
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I fail to see whether did zoro beat Moriah, Oars, Enel, Lucci, Buggy, Croco, Doffy, ...
When did Zoro beat a major villain ?
Since when Zoro finishes a major villain for Luffy and save the country?
Kid, Gin, Teach, Law =/= strawhats
No strawhat gets to best/kill the main villain
"Luffy is the one who beat Kaido and saved all their lives including zoro and sanji's
Before luffy showed up the Scabbards, Yamato, and supernova were essentially stalling Kaido. With luffy finally arriving they were able to win together
Zoro protected luffy from Kaido but he wasn't the hero of the arc"
Here, I made this nice and easy for you to say when Kaido dies.
Before luffy showed up the Scabbards, Yamato, and supernova were essentially stalling Kaido. With luffy finally arriving they were able to win together
Zoro protected luffy from Kaido but he wasn't the hero of the arc"
Here, I made this nice and easy for you to say when Kaido dies.
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So kaido = oars + oars + kuma
Luffy beat moria with no interest in the end like you want zoro to do with kaido
I guess you could say they were stallion till luffy got strong enough to beat him but eh
If kaido gets up to fight luffy again he isn't defeated. Luffy is going to be the one to defeat kaido so if he needs to keep pushing himself to win he will. Luffy didn't even know who kuma was till thriller bark
I dont mind kaido dying/ getting killed or not at all no matter who does if im being honest
Tho if it does happen no one is overshadowing luffy
So kaido = oars + oars + kuma
Luffy beat moria with no interest in the end like you want zoro to do with kaido
I guess you could say they were stallion till luffy got strong enough to beat him but eh
If kaido gets up to fight luffy again he isn't defeated. Luffy is going to be the one to defeat kaido so if he needs to keep pushing himself to win he will. Luffy didn't even know who kuma was till thriller bark
I dont mind kaido dying/ getting killed or not at all no matter who does if im being honest
Tho if it does happen no one is overshadowing luffy
Kaido not getting up doesn't make sense. Luffy and Momo are down, the only way anyone knows what happened is like... Yamato using the broadcast system. Then what? They have no idea where he is. Does a big group just walk around Wano until they find him and go, "yeah he's out cold. Let's just leave him here." Then he wakes up anyway but just quietly leaves Wano I guess lol.
So zoro can get up to defeat kaido but luffy cant?🗿
Also what about everyone else thats up like yamato, kid, law, marco, sanji, zunisha, etc. They just sit and watch while zoro magically gets up? Are they too weak to defeat kaido at this point even all together with zoro the only one strong enough to do it
Just like the rest of the wins in wano itd be announced
The island is covered in seastone weapons and chains
They chain him up until they figure out what they want to do with him. And thats assuming theres no outside interference from the world government or even the big mom pirates soon
Also what about everyone else thats up like yamato, kid, law, marco, sanji, zunisha, etc. They just sit and watch while zoro magically gets up? Are they too weak to defeat kaido at this point even all together with zoro the only one strong enough to do it
Just like the rest of the wins in wano itd be announced
The island is covered in seastone weapons and chains
They chain him up until they figure out what they want to do with him. And thats assuming theres no outside interference from the world government or even the big mom pirates soon
ZKK'ers will either be treated as Gods among the fandom soon or be clowned upon till the end of time...
Can't wait :cheers:
All or nothing huh boys
And I'm among the ones who wins either way
, this is gonna be fun.
Can't wait :cheers:
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All or nothing huh boys
And I'm among the ones who wins either way
, this is gonna be fun.
You say this like there's a double standard. Luffy got up from being knocked out twice and partially drowning the second time. He got up after being beaten to an inch of his life through unconscious awakening. Then he announced his last attack. Zoro never announced that he was done.
Also, we already saw the others react to Kaido getting up and standing over them. They're all tapped and none of them can finish Kaido for good because no one else has advanced CoC. Kaido himself is the one who foreshadowed that Haki trumps DF powers lol.
Finally, "seastone everywhere." No, it's on Onigashima I suppose, and in Udon. No one is walking over to Udon to retrieve it for the same reason no one will bring it to Kaido from Onigashima: they have no clue where he is. Yamato is not gonna lead a search party lol.
Also, we already saw the others react to Kaido getting up and standing over them. They're all tapped and none of them can finish Kaido for good because no one else has advanced CoC. Kaido himself is the one who foreshadowed that Haki trumps DF powers lol.
Finally, "seastone everywhere." No, it's on Onigashima I suppose, and in Udon. No one is walking over to Udon to retrieve it for the same reason no one will bring it to Kaido from Onigashima: they have no clue where he is. Yamato is not gonna lead a search party lol.
Kaido is luffy's fight to win not zoro's that's the "double standard"
So we need another seen of it happening just for zoro to come in and defeat him since no one else can?🗿
Kid, law, and Marco were still willing to get up and fight. With an even more damaged kaido and them getting more time to rest itd be even better for them. Yamato has conquerors coating. Outside of kaido luffy has the best haki.
Seastone is made in wano and why wouldn't kaido have any onigashima?
So we need another seen of it happening just for zoro to come in and defeat him since no one else can?🗿
Kid, law, and Marco were still willing to get up and fight. With an even more damaged kaido and them getting more time to rest itd be even better for them. Yamato has conquerors coating. Outside of kaido luffy has the best haki.
Seastone is made in wano and why wouldn't kaido have any onigashima?
I already said that there could be seastone on Onigashima, you didn't read carefully.
Luffy already won. Kaido used his final, strongest Hakkei and Luffy's attack busted through it and smashed him. We got a "winner Kaido" box when Luffy used his final, strongest Kong and Kaido's attack went over it and smashed him. Then Luffy awakened. Do you see where this is going now?
And finally, yes... Yamato has CoC. Now if you'll change your argument to include Yamato getting the final blow instead of Luffy or Zoro, you'll have come full circle.
Luffy already won. Kaido used his final, strongest Hakkei and Luffy's attack busted through it and smashed him. We got a "winner Kaido" box when Luffy used his final, strongest Kong and Kaido's attack went over it and smashed him. Then Luffy awakened. Do you see where this is going now?
And finally, yes... Yamato has CoC. Now if you'll change your argument to include Yamato getting the final blow instead of Luffy or Zoro, you'll have come full circle.
When was Zoro portraited as the savior of Wano?
Every moment he did something in front the actual citizens of Wano, including the Scabbards, had Sanji there with him while everyone cheered for both of them
It was like that during Yasue's execution, and it was like that when Sanji reached the live floor, saved a lot of people, brought Zoro to get healed and started doing the most there even after Marco went down, and it was like that on chapter 1022 during "The Stars take the stage"
So Sanji is also a savior of Wano, right? And after Luffy saying he wants their friends to eat as much as they want, Sanji's ideals seem even more evident
When Luffy lost for the first time, everyone lost their hopes, that was the time Sanji reached the live floor and helped them to regain their hopes
Nobody cared that much for Zoro coming down to the live floor as a mummy in a cross. All of their hopes were put on Luffy since the beginning
And thats since Zou, Luffy left to WCI to take Sanji back before going to Wano because he knew "Sanji is super strong and reliable".
Sanji might cook Kaido if Zoro kills him, and then feed the people of Wano with it
So ZKK is a very flawed theory that completely ignores a lot of stuff, and most of the standards of the One Piece manga
Every moment he did something in front the actual citizens of Wano, including the Scabbards, had Sanji there with him while everyone cheered for both of them
It was like that during Yasue's execution, and it was like that when Sanji reached the live floor, saved a lot of people, brought Zoro to get healed and started doing the most there even after Marco went down, and it was like that on chapter 1022 during "The Stars take the stage"
So Sanji is also a savior of Wano, right? And after Luffy saying he wants their friends to eat as much as they want, Sanji's ideals seem even more evident
When Luffy lost for the first time, everyone lost their hopes, that was the time Sanji reached the live floor and helped them to regain their hopes
Nobody cared that much for Zoro coming down to the live floor as a mummy in a cross. All of their hopes were put on Luffy since the beginning
And thats since Zou, Luffy left to WCI to take Sanji back before going to Wano because he knew "Sanji is super strong and reliable".
Sanji might cook Kaido if Zoro kills him, and then feed the people of Wano with it
So ZKK is a very flawed theory that completely ignores a lot of stuff, and most of the standards of the One Piece manga
Zoro
Luffy
The only two person who got directly compared to a God-firgue of Wano by the people of Wano
Yeah but but Sanji....
Its a giant dragon shaped whole its not gonna take long to find at all
Kaido beat luffy before luffy unlocked awakening
Kaido already has that power. If hes been purposely holding back and not going all out and then gets up to awaken luffy didn't beat him
Luffy didn't hold back against kaido he gave him everything he could and lost. If luffy could awaken the whole time and just get back up kaido wouldn't have won
Yamato isn't beating kaido either🗿
Joyboy aka luffy is the only one going to get the honor of defeating him
Kaido beat luffy before luffy unlocked awakening
Kaido already has that power. If hes been purposely holding back and not going all out and then gets up to awaken luffy didn't beat him
Luffy didn't hold back against kaido he gave him everything he could and lost. If luffy could awaken the whole time and just get back up kaido wouldn't have won
Yamato isn't beating kaido either🗿
Joyboy aka luffy is the only one going to get the honor of defeating him